Wednesday October 1st 2014

Does synthetic weed cause death?

Maybe.

In fact, synthetic marijuana has been thought responsible for at least 12 deaths, and many users experience tremors, vomiting and sever “psychotic” episodes. We review synthetic weed dangers and invite your questions at the end.

Is synthetic weed harmful?

Synthetic weed is the stuff you can buy in head shops, garages and other stores throughout the U.S. Sold in glossy, psychedelic packaging it seems innocuous enough. Something for kids who can’t get hold of the ‘real thing’. The Spice high probably doesn’t even work. It wouldn’t be legal if it did any harm, would it?

Wrong, I’m afraid.

Synthetic weed is a clear and present danger as witnessed by the hundreds of comments posted on Addiction Blog articles since we started writing about legal highs a few months ago. The negative effects some of our readers have experienced are truly terrifying and far worse than commonly encountered by those smoking marijuana. Does Spice have THC?  No.  It contains something more powerful and potent.  And synthetic weed can sometimes even make you feel like you are going to die.

Synthetic weed hallucinations

Smoking synthetic weed can make you feel like you’re dying, both physically and mentally. In fact, a common effect of synthetic weed as reported by a number of our readers is a so-called near death experience. Not the mellow, peace with the world, travelling towards a bright light type, rather a truly terrifying feeling of dying or imminent death.

For example, Al wrote about his first time smoking synthetic weed, “The feeling of death wasn’t like I was dying but like on the Family Guy when death is literally with me in the room playing Xbox looking at me like, “yeah, I’ll be with you after the game”.

Another reader, Jackson, commented, “I took 2 hits my first time and I thought I was dying.”

MissNurse wrote, “I am sure I came close to death. if not death, then definitely the feeling of what it would feel like to die.”

Long term use of synthetic weed

Long term use of synthetic weed is hazardous to your health. There are so many different types of synthetic weed with different concentrations of active chemical that it is almost impossible to say categorically what the long term effects of synthetic weed are. Presently, large scale studies on the effects of synthetic weed on human health or behavior do not exist. However, there is most definitely a pattern. Our readers have reported the following symptoms from long term synthetic weed use:

• anxiety/panic attacks
• a feeling of alienation/disassociation from the world
• constant coughing
• feelings of nausea or actual vomiting
• inability to hold a thought for longer than a few seconds
• irregular heart beat/palpitations
• loss of concentration
• psychotic episodes

But blends of synthetic weed have many adverse effects, including, agitation, tachycardia (in the range of 110 to 150 beats per minute), elevated blood pressure (in the 140-160/100-110 range), pallor, numbness and tingling, vomiting (which can be severe and may require sedation), hallucinations (which can be intense), and, in some cases, tremors, and seizures.

The above symptoms are very worrying. We just do not know categorically the long term consequences of using synthetic weed but from the evidence provided by our readers, it is clear that using synthetic weed can have a serious impact on physical and mental health.

Can you die if you smoke synthetic weed?

We know that synthetic weed is toxic. And it is possible to say that using synthetic weed (even once) may precipitate near death experiences and may well be hazardous to your health over the long term. However, until there is more data on the long term effects of these synthetic compounds and synthetic weed overdoses, cause of death and dosage are not yet predictable or accurate.

Questions about synthetic weed

Please leave us your questions or comments about synthetic weed here. We will be happy to respond to all legitimate concerns with a prompt and personal reply.

Reference sources: 2011 New Jersey State Drug Trends Update
NIDA Info Facts on Spice
U.S. Department of Justice report on Use of Synthetic Cannabinoid Products by Teens and Young Adults Increasing
North Caroline State Department of Health and Human Services press release: Synthetic Marijuana and Designer Drugs Pose Serious Threat to Youth

Photo credit: Jeremy Brooks

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359 Responses to “Does synthetic weed cause death?
Lora
12:06 am January 6th, 2012

I started smoking the stuff recently and I had a few bad experiences, as of two days ago, I will never buy the stuff again, I had the worst trip, and thought I was going to have to call an ambulance . My whole body kept tightening and I couldn’t swallow, I couldn’t feel my body, couldn’t talk. It was a hopeless feeling.. While I puked my guts up for 30 minutes, I kept thinking there is no way something could make u feel like that. It made my whole body vibrate, felt like my heart stopped, and I couldn’t breath. I think if I would had been alone, that I wouldn’t be writing this today. I hope they take it off the shelves everywhere, u shouldn’t have to experience it to kno how bad it is, they need to post the dangers everywhere.
Lora Shuler
Florence, Kentucky

Kevin
5:47 am January 6th, 2012

Hi everyone,

I found myself terribly addicted to this stuff for about two months after looking for a legal alternative to weed. This stuff is NOT like marijuana. Within a week of buying his first bag, he was going through a 1g BAG A DAY of this garbage, just to get a weed-like buzz.

I spent an obscene amount of cash on this stuff in a short period of time.

Researching the legality of these products PROPERLY, and their contents, weighed on my mind enough for me to (eventually) throw it all in the bin and ride the withdrawals out. They were hideous, far worse than nicotine or THC withdrawals. Irritability, depression, anxiety, weight loss, loss of appetite, headaches, strange skin sensations.

After a week, the worst of the symptoms were gone. After a month, aside from some residual (and controllable) anxiety and irritability, I feel almost 100% :)

I’m also encouraging users to report the online sale of these products, at least within Australia where I am. If enough people get behind it, it can be blanket banned (except for medical purposes, of course) and removed from “legal” sale.

Thanks for your time.

Cheers,
Kevin (Webmaster at SHIPSIA)

matt
9:27 pm January 9th, 2012

Hey.
Im with Kevin on this one. I usually dont bother to write or type for anything but this subject i feel i should. Ive been addicted to spice for two years now and i just quit last week. i have been using marijuana to ease the irratibility of quitting spice even though i cant get high off of any weed and im talking no matter what it is. it still helps a lil though or maybe its just a mind thing. i quit spice bc of severe psycho like episodes, and feel i need a rehab facility, doctors, and meds to fully recoop from it which i plan on doing soon. ive basically disowned everyone, been severely depressed to the point of suicidal thoughts and have had anger issues. anger issues consisting of beating a wooden dressor to shreds with my fist and many other walls, doors etc… granted i have had some issues needing addressed but am 99% sure i wouldnt have had these episodes or feel depressed hating life like i do now. This shit is no joke, and i would advise anyone who knows someone is on it to quit. To anyone that is still smoking this shit i wish u luck and pray for you. This post isnt even slight glance of what this devil sent shit has done to me.. please excuse my typing. errors, ave to run..

michele
11:23 am January 10th, 2012

My husband has been smoking spice for about a year now. I have noticed amny changes in him, and he has reported symptoms to me that he nver associates with his spice smoking, though I have always had my doubts. He has reported nauseau, loss of appetite, and horrible migrianes. The symptoms he hasnt reported to me, but that I have noticed are weight loss, extreme irritability, an severe bouts of forgetfullness. The irritability has gotten so bad that he has become aggressive. Ive also noted from several doctors visits that his blood pressure is slowly going up at every visit. Also lately, he has had a severe cough that he has attributed to us being sick, but we have all gotten over our cough, while his has lingered for almost two months. Because spice was so new we basicly had no idea what the dangers of smoking spice could be. Though I have not heard from him of any hallucinations or or any other mental impairments, I am definately not allowing him to smoke this stuff any more. Why this stuff is even legal I will never understand. I hope they get this stuff off the shelf before it does any more harm to others, including those of children.

Jason
10:31 pm January 10th, 2012

I baught a bag of this stuff and the guy at the counter said it feels just like the real thing. I went home thinking I was gonna have a nice relaxing night. I took three hits and maybe 30 seconds later I started to freak out. I closed all my blinds as I felt severely paranoid. Then I started pacing around my apartment like a crazy person looki for something. But I wasn’t sure what I was looking for. Then I sat on the floor of my living room because my heart felt like it was beating out of my chest. I started to try and calm down by breathing deeply and concentrating on calming myself so my heart rate went down. No matter what I tried my heart rate wouldn’t go down. I knew my heart was beating at an extremely unsafe rate and I was absolutely terrified. I had 911 plugged into my phone invade I had a heart attack. I can’t even explain the feeling I kept getting, just extreme panick, to the point I felt like I was going to die, literally. I saw myself being taken to the hospital, then saw my mother at my funeral, and the tragic story that would be my death on the news. Literally the worst experience I’ve ever had. I never want to feel that feeling of fear and panick again. The feeling I had in my chest, the scary feeling of my heart exploding. It was definitely the closest I’ve felt to a near death experience and I know for sure that this was worse than the real thing because my body felt out of control and the feeling lasted an entire hour. At one point my body felt so out of sync that I couldn’t match my breathing with with the amount of oxygen I needed. It felt like my brain had lost the subconscious control of my bodily functions and I had to, In the state I was, control my breathing, my heart beat and even remember to breath. Please please please don’t do this to yourself. It’s a horrible feeling sitting in your apartment alone 100% convinced that you may die from trying this drug.

Linda
5:56 am January 13th, 2012

Thank you for posting this blog. I don’t know where to begin other than, Quit if you haven’t and don’t try it if you haven’t. It is NOT the same as weed. I also experienced very bad side effects. Been clean only for a few days and the detox process is also not the same compared to the real thing. Side effects I’m experiencing now: Heavy body pain, joints, eyes…everything hurts, headaches, heart palpitations, vomiting, loss of appetite, loss of memory, felt my blood pressure rocket, stomach pain, itching all over, persistent cough, chills, pain in kidneys, pain in liver and the list goes on. Used it for months and I thought I sold my soul to the Devil…figure of speech. Synthetic weed can ruin anyone, even strong willed people that think it could never happen to them. One very important factor I need to point out. I used the real thing for over 20 yrs on and off. Never..ever did I experience depression or side effects like spice and suicidal attempts!I QUIT and I only hope I won’t regret it further down the road with health issues. I feel all synthetic herbs/spices should be banned and it terrifies me to know how easy it is to buy. Stay clean, its not worth your job, health or worse…death.

Jack
4:34 pm January 16th, 2012

Smoked cannabis for over thirty years and the worst side effect was running out. Smoked the fake stuff for two years because I was getting drug tested every month. What a mistake!
Take all of the side effects from fake weed, incense, whatever, that are listed above and multiply that by ten and that’s how I feel after having left it alone for a couple of days.
The K-2 and others that were banned are completely different than the stuff that replaced it. Recently, I found a shop that sells a brand called Wicked X. The first thing that I noticed that was different about this version was the packaging. The little 1 gram bottle is distinctly marked with a lot number and another identifying series of numbers. Second, I notice that the herbal substance is damp (almost wet) instead of the dried herbal feel like cannabis or K-2. Looks and tastes like it was sprayed with insecticide. I stopped using Wicked X and bought a bag of Jazz -this stuff almost wouldn’t light it was so wet! After taking one hit of the JWH -free incense, I immediately started puking my guts out.
Well, I have been completely law abiding in my two -year quest to get some relief from chronic pain as a disabled Army Veteran (see folks, what they don’t tell you is that you are drug tested and treated like a criminal by the Veterans Hospitals if you are treated for pain in government facilities). I have obeyed the law and not used cannabis or any illegal drugs for two years.
Thanks Veteran Administration for forcing me into the hands of these convenience and gas station owners who sold me the fake weed! Why bother with a fight in Afghanistan when all they have to do is let us come home and get addicted to their fake weed at the gas station. Good job VA, FDA, and DEA!

Ryan
2:01 am January 19th, 2012

Yes it can kill you and already has killed people. There has never been ONE documented case of anyone dying from marijuana use. I’m not advocating using mj, but this stuff is completely different and is very dangerous.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/96488784.html

heather
7:01 am January 28th, 2012

My boyfriend and I started smoking this stuff about a year ago. I am quitting. My boyfriend has nearly had 2 heart attacks from it. It scared me to death. One time he thought I was alien.He has thrown up plenty of times and is has a constant cough. Everyone we just about know smokes this stuff. I have been telling everyone about what it does to your body.I myself have also had a few trippy moments. I have had times where I couldn’t breath, my heart was racin and i was dizzy. I think they should bane this everywhere. They need to legalize the real stuff and get this stuff off the shelves.

HelloSpice
8:46 am January 31st, 2012

to much of anything is a bad thing… everyone has different experiences…

Truestory
7:34 pm February 3rd, 2012

Like others have posted, I don’t usually post about things that aren’t important. But spice is far from safe. The first time I tried it a friend brought it to my house and claimed it was ‘just like real weed.’ It was called ‘Mr.Miyagi timeout.’ I had smoked weed several times before that and thought nothing of it. We packed a tight bowl and I took one-two hits. What I felt was a horrifying near death-like experience. I saw terrifying things and felt horrible. I thought I was dying. I felt like I was being pulled out of my body and saw myself out of it. My heart was racing far beyond normal and I begged my friends to call an ambulance. They refused and said it was normal, but that feeling could not have been any father from normal. I could barely even speak it was so strong. Once the high began to wear off, which felt like hours later, they told me how stupid I was acting. They teased about my pleads for 911 and then soon after began buying it regularly. We all smoked it every chance we could get. It became a regular thing and I slowly slipped into addiction. They told me you couldn’t get addicted to it so I never held back. A couple months later they both decided to stop because we had all spent nearly every cent we got on it. We all agreed to stop, but a few days after I couldn’t help myself. I was too young to drive so I began asking older boys to drive me to get it, and they took advantage of me while the spice high was at its climax. Once the boys couldn’t drive me around anymore I absolutely lost my mind. I went on insane violent rage fits where I destroyed everything in my path including a bookshelf, a metal shelf, my carport, my many walls and doors and all of my relationships. When the smallest things would irritate me I had no control, as if I was watching a movie. I saw everything I was doing but couldn’t stop myself. My father tried to get me help by sending me to a councilor. Despite his effort my fits continued. Eventually I convinced him I was fine until one night when I threatened to shoot him because he took away my phone. And whenever I would become the slightest bit irritated I would have constant plans of suicide and homicide so serious I considered all of them. I even attempted to hang myself. Then the next morning when he wouldn’t give my phone back I had another horrible rampage where I barricaded myself in my room and threw everything off the shelves. I punched even more holes in my walls and became so despite for any kind of buzz I broke sharpies to huff, and mixed my perfume and nail polish remover to huff. After huffing them I passed out in the floor and my dad was worried of the silence so he came upon my barricaded room and me in the floor holding a knife with my lip bleeding where I had tried to slice it open. He then became so worried he checked me into a mental hospital where I was locked away for a few days and given medication to help my anger control. When I left I felt new. Like I would never try spice again. Until those friends convinced me to buy my ‘last sack.’ I spent fifteen dollars on a ‘Gucci mango’ and brought it home. Being a few weeks sober, my tolerance had lowered dramatically. The first bowl we smoked made me extremely high with just three hits. We walked for a while and came back home. Later that same night we brought it on the front porch and began smoking it. I had a feeling telling me not to but I did anyway. I knew I was going over my limit but figured because I used to be an addict I would be fine. I was VERY wrong. I took, if I remember correctly, around four hits and suddenly knew something was wrong. I grabbed onto the railing of my porch and began stumbling back and forth. My friends thought I was just being stupid. But they were snapped out of their high when I fell to the ground in a way that they explained to me as ‘I looked like I had been shot.’ All I remember is my vision fading out in a way that looked like static on a TV screen then seeing black and smashing my head. My friend waited around for about 4 seconds after I fell thinking I was just going to stand up but she said she knew something was wrong by the way I fell. She then jumped over to me and said my head was tilted in a way that made breathing impossible so if she hadn’t been there to straighten my neck I would have suffocated. She told me I looked just as a dead person; my eyes were completely lifeless and were staring straight through her without me breathing. She then checked my breathing and said I wasn’t breathing at all. She shook me and yelled at me but I was irresponsive. She and the other friend both believed I was dead. she tried CPR and was about to give me mouth to mouth when she screamed my name one last time and I responded with a low , almost lifeless moan. I still couldn’t see anything though my eyes were wide open. She then began frantically asking ‘Are you going to survive?’ and all I knew to answer was ‘ I don’t know’ in another lifeless voice. She was in tears crazily trying to revive me when my vision suddenly came back. I looked at her, my eyes now normal again, and couldn’t remember anything. She cried tears of joy when she discovered I was awake again. she told me to stand up asked me what I remembered and in a disturbingly calm voice I stated ‘nothing, what happened?’ they both looked at me with shocked faces and said ‘you just fell in a way that made us think you were dead and hit your head so hard we thought you broke your skull’ I looked at them in disbelief but then felt the pain in my head and realized what was going on. My vision was still impaired but I was alive. I was also still high so that created a horrible trip. All I could do was relive those terrifying seconds in my head. She was able to calm herself down but told me ‘I thought I had to call the cops and get you to a morgue. I knew with the way you fell something just wasn’t right and your eyes were the scariest part.’ they then brought me inside where I puked up my whole stomach. They made a bed for me and told me the best thing I could do was sleep but with that image in my head and the horrible stomach and head pain it was almost impossible. I woke up again to puke out all I had left and tried my best to sleep. This happened last night. My head still aches unexplainably. Spice is nothing to joke with. would’ve died last night if it weren’t for my friend. And the worst part is, I’m still very young. Do not get involved with this stuff. I’m still worried for myself. Please get this stuff off the shelves. I was almost the 13th person dead because of this spice.

headshop
6:43 pm February 5th, 2012

I own a head shop and have not and WILL NOT sell this poison.
Any one who comes in and asks for it are given a sheet of information and told how dangerous this is.
I am not a brilliant person but common sence told me right away when this stuff started surfacing that it was dangerous. Over the past months I have been proven right.
An 18 year old girl in my town just had her hand amputated because of the stuff-something to do with the cardiovascular system..when she got out of the hospital she was reported to say “I don’t believe that it is from smoking that” so she will probably end up with another amputation in the near future. I do wonder how many limbs she will have to lose before she faces reality

mikeyayy
10:38 pm February 8th, 2012

i smoked cool beans for about six to seven months straight and before i know im hallf way through my senior year of high school.. this stuff is no joke.. mentally i lost seven months of my life.. its ust a blurr memorys i will never get back… i isolated myself from friends and family..plz everyone tht smokes it is in my payers and may you r.i.p and for those who want to try it.. just smoke the real stuff instead

Baby
4:22 am February 9th, 2012

My husband was smoking this stuff like many other people when it came out because his job drug tests. He quit smoking it a few months before they pulled it from the stores. Unfortunately, he has an addictive personality and he and his buddy started again last year at the end of May. He’s gone through spurts of smoking heavily, then lightening up. However, I’m very worried lately. He’s so obsessed with smoking it and has no regard for the kids or me.

He’s got a bad cough and I’m worried if he doesn’t clean up, he could get way worse. He’s beginning to worry to. I know he wants to quit, but can’t. He gets withdrawal symptoms throughout the day now. He vomits and shakes, gets sweats, etc. Today we had a heart-to-heart and think we are going to try to get him to break this horrible bond. He’s smoking today, but not in the morning, not at lunchtime or in the evening. He’s going to take 5http and eat healthy and drink vegetable juices. Then, when he gets home, he’s going to eat and take melatonin to help him sleep. He’s going to try acupuncture this weekend and try it twice a week for at least a month. The acupuncturist is going to give him some herbs for his anxiety and addiction.

I just pray that this ends the vicious cycle he’s been on and I get my husband back. I don’t know what else to do. This weekend is going to be tough, but he’s not smoking, even if he has to sleep it all off. I know he can break this in 3-5 days. Wish us luck.

The alternative is much worse if he doesn’t quit. I pray for all of the people who are addicted to this stuff. Also, if you haven’t tried it, please don’t. It’s just not worth turning into Jekyl and Hyde.

sad
9:58 pm February 21st, 2012

I don’t usually post things but I feel I have to on this subject. I got a call from my mother this morning, she begins to tell me that my uncle ( who has been pretty much my father my whole life) is in the hospital and he is unconscious. I called his girlfriend to see what was going on, I have never even heard of this synthetic weed until now. she tells me that he had been smoking something called nirvana which is a synthetic weed that can not be traced in a basic drug test. Long story short he is 2 hours away from me because that is the best hospital around for this kind of thing. He is laying in a hospital bed unconscious because they had to put him to sleep when he flipped out in the hospital he has had 3 seizers in 2 days and thrown up each time. he doesnt know what happend or where he is. They dont know if he is going to live or die. The ppl who sell this kind of “safe” drug should be ashamed of their selves. This stuff has different effects on different ppl but in the end it does some kind of damage on each person who uses it. I found out alot today about synthetic weed as I have been researching since I found out about my uncle. I really dont want my uncle (father) to die. I just hope that all the post and information on this subject prevent ppl from unknowingly killing themselves. And for those who still continue to use after you research…..please think about yourself, family, friends before you smoke again. spread the word before another innocent life takes a risk.

sad
10:06 pm February 21st, 2012

headshop I applaud you, I wish more were like you..good luck to baby and her husband I hope you have great outcome. And everyone who has shared there stories are great ppl and I hope Between all of us we can spread the word and prevent other lives from being destroyed.

Withdrawing
5:05 am February 27th, 2012

As i type this i will tell you ALL to please stop this asap!!! i am going on 48 hrs clean off relaxinol and it is the hardest thing i have ever done in my life. I am a single mother of a two yr old baby girl and have recently had to stop smoking real weed because of probation so i started out with “OMG” and it quickly started to not have an affect on me. I picked up mr. nice guy shortly afterward hoping for a high similar to weed and when i came across relaxinol i fell in love. OK so…id gotten so bad to where id require a gram or two a day of “Relaxinol” just to feel “normal” i smoked it for about 4 months before i realized it was having more severe affects on my brain than when i first started…id feel as though my eyes or maybe brain was shaking rapidly and then id nod out. If i woke up and didn’t have a bag it was a shitty day…i knew then that i have a problem. When your whole day and mindset consists of finding money to buy spike you know you have a problem. I started to reach out to some people and they also noticed some changes in me. I’d hang out way less often and wasn’t my happy go lucky self EVER. I depended on spike to be happy. I don’t want that..i want to be high on life and enjoy all the little things my baby is doing. These past few months have changed me into somebody i never wanted to be and i only started it because i thought it was safe. Now after 48 hours..(AS OF RIGHT NOW =D) im feeling a little better but the beginning was soooo hard… i threw up everything and then stomach acid the whole first day and then had random panic attacks and tightening in my chest. Couldn’t stop thinking about it but then randomly i’d be fine and convince myself i was good. It hasn’t been easy but i’ve distanced myself from those i love and even my own baby and i promised her i’d give her the best life i could and this is NOT it. Wish me luck…randomly my chest tightens i get very very very very very mad frustrated angry whatever…i flip out….then im good. Then i sweat but im freezing…Shits scary please stop if you smoke it im not playing around this is DANGEROUS. Soon enough it’ll be banned anyways…hopefully. It’s gotta be….right?

Brenton
8:35 am February 28th, 2012

Hello yall, I guess I don’t know really what to say other then I messed up I should have stuck with my first thoughts of the junk and stayed away, now I’ve been steadily using everyday for the last year and just recently this stuff was banned from my area,which they just come out with something different by the next day… Well I’m glad the crap they was selling this time was junk and didn’t get me high because o needed a sober stretch to realize how shitty this stuff was making my life I completely pulled my self away from social groups, I don’t know what they put o in this stuff but I can’t eat, sleep, think, talk normal(I’m constantly stumbling over my words), and I’m way to snappy now, all I know is I’m hoping and praying that I will star feeling normal again so I can get back on track.i work in allot of very dangerous conditions and im a very dedicated motorcycle rider and lately I been almost scared to work or ride because I’m constantly spacing off and them two places are NOT the place to be doing that, so I dunno really what to do because I can’t lose my career and quitting riding is a reality to face. I just hope life gets back to normal.
If you’ve never tried this then more power to you…DONT!, and if you have used it I’m open to advice on getting back to normal, and if your still smoking this crap STOP and look at your loved ones and focus for 3 minutes…. Isn’t it pathetic that you have an unconditional love for them bit your mind is to distant to focus on them….. If you don’t care about your life or future atleast stop for them… Thats going to be my drive to stay clean

joe from canada
12:11 pm March 5th, 2012

ive been smoking it for a year. i get a pot high. on several occasions ive had to stop smoking it because i’m in remote work camps & i don’t bring it with me. i am a heavy user & NEVER had any of these side effects or withdrawl symptoms. i do get a heavy cough from time to time & i’d go from smoking everyday multiple times to cold turkey from a month at a time. the only time i felt anxiety was the first time i tried the strong stuff. smoked too much & was thinking too much but other then that ive had no issues…

i find it odd how some of you talk like you are downing handfuls of LSD or doing angel dust….i never heard or seen anyone doing the things you claim to have suffered from…nothing you smoke is good for you.

April Buchman
4:53 pm March 7th, 2012

I fear for my daughters life. Shes been using it for probably two years now.
She has lost a tremendous amount of weight. Now all she does is cough, and vomit. She cannot hold any food in her system. She has migraines all the time. I told her she needs to go to rehab but she doesnt want a record. I told her its better to have a record because if she doesnt get help shes going to end up dead.
Where can I send her for help?

6:53 pm March 7th, 2012

Hi April. Check into the HIPPAA laws about medical privacy, but I don’t think that your daughter’s medical record will be shared with anyone except for insurance. And consult a well known treatment center like Betty Ford or Hazelden. They will give you the best information out there about what a medical “record” can be used for.

Does your daughter want to go to treatment?

Brenton
8:10 am March 9th, 2012

April, I recently posted on this blog (a few up) and I felt like my life was seriously coming to an end, as you can tell from the side effects I listed well I haven’t touched it sense and I’m proud to say I’ve almost come back to complete “normal” I can eat, focus, hold food down, no more anxiety attacks everything is so much better I’m still a little forgetful but nothing like before… What I’m saying is give it a couple weeks and she will start coming out of it for about a week all I could eat is applesauce and a half a can of chicken noodle soup I know its hard seeing your daughter like that and you want immediate changes in her life but if she is dedicated to quitting then all she needs is you and a couple weeks of eating healthy! And you’ll notice a tremendous change in her…. Trust me because when I quit my sister and a friend quit. We all did it together and vouched to never do it again but we all had the same withdrawals and symptoms but we are all doing amazing compared to where we was :) I hope the best for your daughter, just keep yalls heads up and stay determined because just like any addiction it isnt going to be easy at first…. Yall are in my prayers

Shana
6:35 am March 14th, 2012

I never comment on anything, but I feel this is needed. I just feel like I need to write this down, even if only one person reads. I am an 18 year old girl who has experimented with just about everything, including salvia, Oxycontin, marijuana, ecstasy, heroin, and shrooms.

Last night I had a few hits of this stuff…I felt like I was high on marijuana but something was “off”. I don’t know how to describe it. Woke up the next morning, felt fine. My boyfriend shotgunned a hit to me and I felt great. I took a shower and then took a big hit I suppose. All I remember is drooling on the floor a little and going straight for the bed. I knew something was wrong. I was flickering in and out of reality. I crawled to get my boyfriend in the kitchen but he was fading away and getting smaller. I wanted to scream but nothing came out. Then it was black. Everything was black. I knew I was dying. I had no idea who I was or where I was. I felt like I was in hell. I saw small red and blue lights. My brain felt like it was exploding. It was the most painful thing I have ever endured. It seemed like it lasted for hours. Finally, my life flashed before my eyes. I saw my family as they were when I was a child. I think I was falling in and out of consciousness by now. I could not tell what was reality and what was just my brain messing with me. My boyfriend was over me, yelling at me. I had no idea who he was. He apparently tried shaking me and giving me water but I couldn’t drink it. I now recognized him but I still couldn’t think of his name. He looked familiar so I trusted him. The only thing I recall him asking was “Do I need to call 911?” and I tried my hardest to nod my head or make a noise but I couldn’t. We were sitting down on the floor and I realized I was hallucinating. I was able to admit that in my head. My boyfriend said “Stop freaking out. You’re just really really high.” I hallucinated my old dog walking around in the background of our apartment, but she’s been gone since November. I wanted it to be over. Nothing seemed real, I just wanted to escape from this horrible place. I vomited more violently than I ever have before. I don’t know how I made it back to the bed, but I did. I woke up hours later, my head throbbing. I was hoping it was all a dream. I talked to my boyfriend and he said I was foaming at the mouth and convulsing. I don’t think he believes I actually hallucinated on this stuff, since he’s never experienced it and he’s smoke it for about a year. It’s almost been 24 hours and I’m still puking and feeling depressed. I feel like I got hit by a truck. I’ve been looking at other people’s stories so I now I don’t feel completely insane. I just wanted to warn someone before they experience the same terror I did. I want to be sober now, something I never thought I’d say before.

1:10 pm March 14th, 2012

Hi Shana. Thanks for sharing about your experience with synthetic weed. Yes, it can cause hallucinations. And yes, people do go to emergency rooms with all sorts of symptoms.

If you are serious about staying away from drugs…do you have a plan for preventing relapse?

Jeremie
12:23 pm March 28th, 2012

I smoked some stuff called Spike it has a eye ball on the package I went into shock and started vomiting ive been smoking stuff like k2 for a bit and that shows it could do that to you anytime its scared me were I don’t want to ever try that crap again and I tell you guys to be careful what you smoke, GOD Bless :)

Spicehead
6:13 pm March 31st, 2012

Im 19 and had been smoking since nov 2010. The last time I smoked was dec 25 2011. I was addicted my bf would buy me 3 grams and it would be gone in a week.,i loved the feeling. I could feel everything. I understood life and felt as if I unlocked the secrets to the universe. It was amazing. I was smoking legal devil 7x by the way. Then for christmas (the last day I smoked) my biyfriend got me legal devil 10x so im like yay! I only took one hit from my pipe., First it was like a regular high. Everything was great. Then it got wierd. Everything looked like it was made of glass. Like if I touched it then it would break. My tv, dog cage, and a box looked like the were moving from side to side. Suddenly I got really hot and couldnt keep,my head up. I thought I was filling up with blood so I jump up and scream “OMG IM DYING IM DYING I NEED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL NOW” but,it didnt seem like I was saying it. like I felt as if I was still sitting on the couch but in reality I was screaming at the top of my,lungs. My bf tells,me im just high and then I get on my knees crying begging him to take me.so he starts getting ready and I feel,like hes going to slow. So I dial 911 and start screaming yhat im dying and need an ambulance. So 3 cops and 2 ambulance come. Thats how hysterical I was on the,phone. My bf was pissed. In the end I go, to the hospital and fall asleep. Oh and I thought I was a man burning in my kitchen. Never smoked again. Scariest thibg ever. Really thought id be dead and felt like nobody understood the seriousness of it. Long term effects. I cant be alone or I get panic attacks. whenever I get sick I think im going to die. Im perscibed xanax. random lightheadedness. Depression. i was not like this before. Im so scared of dying now.,in counseling but its not helping. Dont smoke it. I feel like who I am..,my soul.. Is gone.

Girl
12:26 pm April 9th, 2012

In Canada a 3 gran bag of any type of legal weed runs for about 80 dollars. I was addicted to this stuff for a year. At first it was all good but after a few months I noticed it was different. After getting immune to the stuff and having to smoke more of it to get the high is when the trouble started. I was spending 80 dollars a day on 3 grams just to get me throu the day. Also u have tried numerous kInds if legal weed due to the stores in Canada selling 20 different kinds of legal weed in one store and they all seem to have the same effect. After smoking especially if you smoke a lot, you get nauseated and sometimes vomit. I remember feeling like I was gonna pass out from committing so much. I would feel dizzy as well after smoking and it just wasn’t as good as trip as the real weed deal. When I quit the legal weed it was sooooo hard, some people put it as harder than quitting heroin, I think it’s cas the chemicals they spray on. But anyway the legal stuff sucks and I would stay with the real weed cas this is crap and if it is scaring veteran weed smokers than you know something is up with it. I will stay with what god created not man.

SomeGUY
2:28 pm April 12th, 2012

Just a quick testimonial to all this. It really is like doing angel dust and lsd. I used the stuff before that gets you high. first time, i felt like had gone to the depths of hell. I had a panic attack and drove to my friends house 2 minutes away. the drive felt like 10 hours. i was tripping balls, imagining i was driving throught the streets of hell. just imaggine all the cars, the lights, the speeding traffic…controlling the car. its insaney intense stuff. the second time i was fine. it was a one off episode. but now there is some new stuff. its like 1000x more potent and i think it may be a different chemical also. the headshop warned how strong it is. but wow. you are not expecting how strong it really is. you think you understood the shop owner when he warned you it strong?? NO. the strength is like that of getting a punch in the face from an MMA fighter. It was like being on speed and coke. visuals are like being in a video game. hearing sensitivity is ridiculous. your body is super alert. not to mention that your heart is beating at about 200bpm and you’re not breathing, forgetting to breathe. oh. the best part? you barely even need one puff. honestly, this sh*t is horrifying. but people do it, because along with the terror, you still get the europhia, the strange deep thought, the increased senses etc. but if i could summarize exactly what these legal highs are, i would put it in these words. This is Satans secret stash of smokable death.

SomeGUY
2:32 pm April 12th, 2012

by the way, i probably should have mentioned the suicidal thoughts, extreme panic and the feeling like you are going to die come with it. lets think about something. if weed was legal, this stuff probably wouldn’t exist. but by the looks of it, this crap is killing people. so thanks to our clever government, the prohibition on weed is actually resulting in deaths.

Jeremie
12:39 am April 13th, 2012

I am sorry if theres legal cocain, x pills, and legal stuff they use to shoot up in there arm they can allow weed to be legal they say they cant tax weed if you can tax tobacco you can tax weed, for the Medical Dispensaries i feel for them they get hound by the Federal Government because its still against federal law to sell weed but not state law, im sorry who are you to tell me if I can smoke or not smoke God created I should be able to smoke it! I am not saying smoke every plant God created but look at all the drugs and legal crap that kills you and weed a herb that helps people with all kinds of stuff and you don’t trip out or die when you smoke weed if some say they almost died or there is someone who died from weed or theres stuff was prob laced!

1:18 pm April 17th, 2012

Hi Jeremie. Thanks for your comment. Many people share your opinion that marijuana should be made legal in order and make “fake bake” illegal. Thanks for sharing your point of view.

Brendyn
8:23 pm April 23rd, 2012

None of this would be a problem if weed was legal. Im not talking about getting it legal so kids can smoke. But simply for adults. I would like to have a good time smoking with friends instead of drinking because it always ends in a fight.

shane
3:57 pm April 27th, 2012

yes it can kill you..i have smoked zues for 9 months and have had phycotic episodes and endangered my family.my father who smokes weed had 2 cones of killamijara sky while he had a few drinks next he fell flat on his face and went into cardiac arrest and stopped breathing to the point where his eyes were nearly popping out of his head with no response for about 2 mins and i had to revive him luckily he came too he didnt know wat happen or where he was he was completely white and could barely move ive seen death and he was right there.i didnt know wat to do i checked for a heart beat an there was none i was shitting myself then i just started pumping his chest and thats when he came too.i am now stopping smoking the crap..please dont let this happen to someone u love or care about..this silly drug nearly took my dad

Brenden
6:33 am May 1st, 2012

PLEASE DO NOT SMOKE SPICE. I have been smoking pot for 15 yrs every single day of my life… I started smoking spice because I got put on probation… A joint here a joint there of either Relaxinol, or Cool Beans…. Ok ppl, what is happening is, the manufactures are spraying the synthetic chemicals on the herbal incense. Now, at times they can easily spray too much in a specific area and you can get what is called a “hot bag”. I took a small drag off of a joint and I CANNOT begin to explain to you what happened to me. Aside from the instant panic attack and heart racing out of my chest, it felt as if the Devil himself had clenched his hand on my soul.. I know this sounds stupid but there is no other way to describe it… I couldnt form words or move my muscles. I sat Parylyzed, welcoming death. I thought of everything from my childhood memories to my mom looking at my open casket all in a single instant.. I begged jesus to remove the devil from my soul as I WAS 100 PERCENT SURE that he was dragging me to hell. I could only think, not speak. The last thing I remember, is me begging Jesus please please please dont let me die, please jesus please…. Before I know it I wake up in an ambulance…. My friends say I collapsed, face went white, lips went blue and my heart rate felt so fast they thought it was going to explode. My pulse on my neck was so fast my friend said it was vibrating his finger as he laid it upon my neck. The EMT told me they get that phone call 20x daily now in Palm Beach County, Florida. She says there r more overdoses on spice than there is on pain meds, which says a lot because I am in the pain med capital of the nation. People wake the f up, this is a serious f’in problem. it has nothing to do with tolerance or how much or how little you smoke…This chemical is sprayed on by some moron working a dead end job wanna be chemist and they can and will screw UP. Hot bags r out there and they r killing people. Im an addict, I shoot heroine and cocaine like its nobodys business for the last 5 yrs, and 1 puff of this stuff and my life was almost stripped from me. I know of 15 friends in my area whos lives have changed completely because of this bs They smoke it everyday and cannot live without it. They experience worst withdrawals then the withdrawal i go through when i dont have heroin or opiates. I know some1 who has commited suicide from this stuff, she was the last fricken person in the f’ing world who would every f’ing do that!!!! NO 1 understands man i feel so alone like no 1 is listening. This is the worst thing i have ever seen happen in my life. it is taking my friends lives and crushing them. They have psychotic episodes, extreme anger issues… this is coming from people who were completely normal before using this spice crap. I can only pray, and keep praying that somebody will do something about this crap soon. I am going to start protesting in Boca Raton, FL soon outside of a major intersection where there r 4 locations that sell spice products. It is the popular spot for people who use it in this area. I hope I can make a change….. People pls, I am not bs’ing you, this is real… Its f’ing real… Gods speed.

Dylan
6:53 pm May 1st, 2012

I am a regular Marijuana smoker, who is over the age of 18, and have never once had a bad experiance with it, or had any ‘withdrawel’ like experiances or any urger to try anything else, but I recently unwittingly tried some of this and was not aware that I was trying anything out of the ordinary.

It set in within 45 seconds, at first it felt like really really intense marijuana, and after about 5 minutes it started to feel more like acid, an intense pulsing that seemed to slowly fade out everything else in existence, I had major tunnel vision and couldn’t speak or move my body. I have about 5 whole minutes that are completyely ‘missing’ and then about 10 minutes in it hit the peekl of the experiance. For around 15 minutes after that I felt dead or dying, completely detached from my body, faintly grasping at any hint of reality. It felt like my brain didn’t work right anymore and reality itself was dissolving. I remember feeling like I was trapped in hell or something, but I had no feeling of actually being in a place or a time, there was no up, down, left, right, back, forth, past, or future, I felt seperate from all reality. I remember trying so hard to comprehend what reality felt like before, and it couldn’t be done, reality was a completely foregein alein thing I was convinced I would never see again, and I could bearly remember at all. I had no idea who I was, why I was there, or what was happening. The only thoughts I could grasp were “I want to get away, I want to escape, I want to go home, I’m dead” I was yelling at the top of my lungs but it sounded like a whisper, and I could not feel anything touching me. My sight was blending with my thoughts and I couldn’t tell what existed and what was completely made up in my head, or if it was all made up in my head. Random images flew at me at thousands of miles an hour and then raced away. The worst part seemed to be the way time dissolved, if I didn’t force things to go forwad the same event would repeat over and over and over, like I was trapped in a scratched DVD. It was truly the most horrifying experiance of my life, and I can not believe this shit is legal when regular Marijuana isn’t. This was worse then Acid, DMT, mushrooms, peyote, or anything. It did not FEEL like I was hallucinating, it felt like reality itself had been utterly altered in a way unconceivable by the human mind. Marijuana makes me feel calm and relaxed, there is nothing negative about the experiance or drawbacks to it. I will never, ever, ever try any sort of mind altering drug again, accept Marijuana, which really isn’t ‘mind altering’ just realaxing (as long as you don’t smoke a shitton of it)

I would not wish this experiance on my worst enemy. It truly did feel like I was dead and being mocked by death with faint bits of what was going on around the time I died. I felt like I had utterly lost my mind and was trying to kill everyone around me and myself and I couldn’t stop myself, though I have no idea what I ACTUALLY physically did during the experiance. If I had been alone during this experiance I could have easily hurt myself or someone else, or worse. I was very very lucky to have people who cared about me there to calm me down bring me back down, and pin me to the floor so I didn’t run out in the street or something. I actually did bust my head open at one point from running into the wall at full speed, though I have no memory of it.

Marijuana can’t do stuff like this to you, I do not understand why it’s not legal so people don’t have to experiance this kind of horrifying experiance, I blame the government for this experiance… And the chick who didn’t tell me it was ‘synthetic weed’. The only phrase I remember being used to describe it was ’40x’ and it had a strong spearmint gum like falvor, only not minty. I bearly took one hit and it took me around 2 hours to completely come down. The fact that I am bipolar may have had some strong effect, sense everyone else who smoked more then me wasn’t effected remotely like I was.

I just want to warn people about this shit, it was scary beyond all reason, it made me feel like a scared pathetic excuse for a lifeform, pleading with anything I could to let me live and be normal again. I could have died from sheer mental anguish if no one had helped me. Never, ever try this shit, please, I am begging you, espically if you are bipolar. If you hear the phrase ’40x’ ( X as in ‘times’ for multiplacation, not the letter ‘x’ ) just flush the shit down the tiolet. If there is only a slight chance this would happen to you it’s just not worth it.

I do have to say, I have a whole new appreciation for every day reality now. I really thought I was not coming back there for a while. That 15 minutes felt timeless and endless.

Brenden
10:28 pm May 1st, 2012

Dylan, Hey man if your seeing this I just want to let you know that you have truly just hit the nail on the head… Your intelligence has allowed you to put into words in the correct way, of my experience to a T.. I was the poster before you so please read if you have not already… I really am so happy to have now known, I was not alone in my experience… Every single word you used in your description of how this drug was bringing you towards death was truly my exact same experience.

It’s as though you Die spiritually. Your soul begs to be free’d but it’s as if the devils hand is squeezing the very life out of your own being.

Thank you for your post.

George
9:22 pm May 3rd, 2012

I have been smoking mj for about 35 years. Like most of you I quit for the legality aspect. I have been scared nearly to death by being too high on THC and once (only once) on PCP. I’ll never do that again. I’m not the type of person that likes to be way out there. Just a mello buzz to smooth out the day. I don’t like to be out of control. I only take it one very small hit at a time. I think the reaction to this stuff is determined by the quanity used. I’ve been using the spice type products for about two years now. I have had to change to many different brands due to the laws that keep pulling the stuff of the shelf. I, like you guys, have had similar experences as you have described. However, the first one came when I had to switch to something different (Space) and it came in 4 strengths. I tried the mellowest they offered. I took the same hit as I had with my regular stuff. Bad move. This stuff was WAY stronger and it forced me to my bedroom where I hid and prayer to the Lord to keep me from dying. I realized I was WAY to high. After an hour or so I was back to normal (but scared). I threw the crap away. A couple weeks later I ask for the weekest stuff they had. I wanted the stuff the kids didn’t like because it didn’t get them high enough. Perfect for me. I continued down the path with different week ass shit for quite some time with no problems. About 6 months ago I got something new (Paranoia). I should have known by the name. Well, I once again errored on the strong side and paid the price. This time I had the same horrible experience that Brenden had. I thought I was stuck in the nightmare and would never com e back from it. I was sort of mindless. I knew I was just seriously too high and would eventually come back down. I pitched that stuff immediately. I have tried several other brands without incident. I’m now using something called Barely Legal Dose. It seems nice and it ramps up easy and has a mello buzz. I use an amazingly small dose. AMAZINGLY SMALL. I think if you over do it it it will seriously kick your butt. Moderation is a good thing. This stuff is all very potent. If you could wrap nicotine into a cigarette at X10 it would probably kill you. If you could take Crown Royal and make a shot X10 it would have a bad effect too. I’m over 60 years old. I have check ups every three months. I just went through a battery of scheduled heart tests that came out fine. I have seen the optomotrist who looked at my optic nerve. My blood pressure is fine too. I’m not sick. Nobody has noticed any changes in me. I don’t recommend this stuff for everyone. I don’t recommend it at all. I do think however that many problems arrising around these products come from overdose. Everything in moderation. I hope nothing happens to change my mind. BTW, as soon as the situation allows I will be changing back to the natural herb. Hopefully it will be soon and legal.

legalhighguy
10:52 pm May 7th, 2012

Okay everyone i’ve been smoking spice for about 5 months now, side affects have been horribly headaches, euphoric feelings, parnioa, Irritabilty. I feel like this stuff is highley addictive, i myself am 16 and feel dependent on this substance, also i’ve never felt as if i was going to die off of the product i use to this day. “cool beanz”. Don’t get me wrong i’ve used plenty of spice “mr.niceguy” “scooby snax” “cloud 9″ etc. I’ve basically came to this page to say why would something so horrible/life threating be legal, And weed be illegal i means serouisly this product probably would of never been created if bud was legal.

My personal opinoin is DONT SMOKE IT, but if u do use caution!! Don’t act as if it’s just like some regular bud, this stuff is more potent then some dank bud, The high is not better then real bud!!! This stuff is legal but it’s good i’ve been consuming for sometime now 5months going strong. This stuff will ruin your life period, if your not on probation and your not geting drug tested for THC theres no excuse to smoke the fake MJ! Come on i’d much rather smoke some bud then some stuff that i don’t even know whats in.

POINT BLANK PERIOD

LEGALIZE MARJUWANA!

Brenden
1:47 pm May 10th, 2012

Hey legalhighguy,

If you read my post, about 2 before you posted you will see what happened with me.. I too, had used cool beanz for a long time before I had the major overdose. It has nothing to do with the spice, well it does to a degree but it has to do with how that specific batch may have been sprayed. Hot bags r out there that r sprayed too strong and they will put you in a coma. Respiratory failure as well.. Cardiovascular issues to an extent that you may have a stroke or heart attack. I use to swear by spice, how it was the best shit ever…. Not anymore.. And to be honest, if you are one of the people who can smoke bag after bag and not have the panic/death attacks, then you are even more unfortunate because you will have no scare or experience that causes you to quit. You may abuse it longer and oh man, the side effects are horrible. They will destroy you. The EMT said it best to me, it makes a sane man go insane and it makes people with issues already commit suicide. Long term use will bring you to a state of depression you never though imaginable. A constant anxiety of the mind, that you cannot rid. There is no coming back from it. I am not lying when I mention the several friends I have, whose lives are ruined. They r not the same and will never be. They seem to have little stints of normalcy for a couple days at most, where they have emotional episodes. They cry for help and wonder whats happening, and before they can grasp it, they r back in the spice world – where nothing matters but spice. And the depression, anxiety and mental illness is upon them. Truly a very sad subject for me. I wish you all well.

George
4:19 pm May 10th, 2012

I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT MY FIRST POST. Don’t get me wrong guys. I DO NOT advocate the use of spice. I will stop using it soon because my reason for not being able to use MJ will soon be over. That will be within the next 2-3 months. I will then switch back to the real deal. Pray that I don’t catch another bad experience before that time comes. Once I’m done with the spice, I’M DONE!! I have often thought about the “quality control” and the base product it’s sprayed onto. Both things are scary. Who even knows what they are spraying it on? What if you’re deathly allergic to the base?? I’m also positive that the “hot bag” could exist. No quality contol. If you have no reason to use it please don’t. If you have reason to use it please always use extreme caution particularly any time you need to open a new container or bag. In my opinion that’s the most critical time. If you open a new bag, take a very very small hit, and if it seems the least bit weird pitch it or destroy it. You’ll get a big ramp up in the first 3-5 minutes. You should mello out within the first 10 minutes or so. If you catch a “bad trip” you won’t believe how insanely bad it is. I do think it may just very well be the Devil’s weed. Salvia is a natural substance and I had a real bad experience with it the third time I used it (in moderation. One hit.) and won’t touch it ever again. I feel I may have died on it and fought my way back. My guess is that spice may be worse cuz it’s a synthetic. The couple of bad experiences I have had with spice were REALLY HORRIBLE. The last one particulary. I do however feel very close to God when I’m using the stuff as I constantly ask for His forgiveness and protection. As far as addiction is concerned, I believe it is pretty addictive. I actually cancelled a fun trip because I couldn’t figure out how to take the stuff with me and not get caught using it around my friends. However, when I was hanging with MJ I was pretty dependent on her too. For me it’s just a mental dependency. I have walked away from spice a couple of times without any serious effects. That’s just me though. Others may have a different dependency. My buddy just left the country for 8 days and didn’t take anything with him. He said he had no problem what so ever. He also does weed and took none of that either. But, with the spice, he only uses small doses like I do. As almost everybody agrees, if weed were legal it would be quality controlled like it is in Amsterdam. You can buy weed that,smells good, tastes good, does body rushes, does head rushes, or just plain kicks your butt. Different brands do different things. Whatever you want you can get. Actually if the government were to legalize bud, the taxes collected on it would quickly offset Obama’s irresponsible spending policy. So…..bottom line. If you must use spice be extremely careful and use very very small doses. One small hit goes a really long way. If you use too much I guarantee you it will F you up bad. If you don’t have a need to use it and can stay with weed, please do it. If you are reading this and have never experienced spice……..DON’T. It truely is some bad shit. If you ever have one of those panic/death deals that Brenden is talking about you won’t believe how bad it really is. I’m over 6′ tall, over 220lbs, in really good shape for my age, and a very long time accomplished martial artist. I’m not really scared of anything or anyone. I’m scared as balls of spice. Give it the utmost respect. It can be a complete NIGHTMARE !!!! Please pray that I get through until mid August without another problem. PLEASE LEGISLATE TO LEGALIZE WEED !!

Adam
1:36 pm May 12th, 2012

Ive been smoking mj for years but had to quit for job in the mines. Kronic become big news and before long I was smoking it like there was no tomorrow. This was the jwh018 brand and I never had any bad experience with it. As the law changed the brands did too then diablo came out and I started smoking that and I noticed immediately it was different to the jwh blends. I felt like god was telling me to stop smoking this diablo stuff as it was opening dark doors in my mind. I stoped smoking it as every hit was the same. I then stated smoking different blends with no bad experiences until I came across tyfoon. I had one small cone and felt ok with a nice high and just took it easy on it. The next day my wife wanted some she has smoked fake weed before and had no bad effects so I gave her one small pinch and within 40′seconds my wife was tripping bad. I told her she would be ok and that it was because she didn’t smoke often and that she was just high off it. She then started freaking right out and she could not breath and she said she was dying and death was upon her I got her into the shower and things got much worse as she stated vomiting bad eyes where rolling in back of head, she then stated to come back down. After 30 min of hell she said what happened to me i just saw my whole life flashed before me and I was dead and looking at my body above. I said to her it’s ok now you are over the worst and I told her that I would never give that to her again. The next day she was back to normal and my wife went out to do some shopping and I stayed at home. I got the tyfoon out so I could get high now remember I’ve been smoking mj for years and also had some of this tyfoon yesterday with no bad trip. I packed one small cone from the same tyfoon stuff she had the bad trip from and felt my normal high as I did the day before from the same stuff. I went back inside to cook tea for my wife and kids and then BANG! I was so scared about everything around me and I felt death. All I could think about was this is it I’m about to die and felt myself leaving my body. I could see all my family crying to my funeral. Im dead?? I started going all stiff as I was in the kitchen clenched to the sink and could not move my body. My cell phone was just there but I could not move to call my wife for help. I then blacked out started screening and my kids were scard for me as they are only 4 and 5. After this i managed to move my hand to get my cell phone And called my wife and said you need to get home now I’m freaking out I’m dying. My wife raced home and when she saw me she saw death all,over me I was stiff very stiff and shaking very hard to breath and heart uncontrolable. She did as I did the day before got me into a cold shower where I started vomiting too. After 1 hour went passed I was still not right it felt like I had been on da piss all night with a bad hangover? All I can say is that I just went though the same bad experience my wife did the day before out of the same container of synthetic weed tyfoon. After this I got rid of all my synthetic stuff and I will never go back to it again as I’ve been smoking synthetic for 15 months and never had a bad experience like this. Now I know that it wasn’t just my wife going though a normal high experience it was some kind of poison we had smoked. I will say this. Get rid of it all it’s bad news I thought my wife was just high normaly but I was wrong she was poisoned too from this and I thought I could handle any synthetic until now. I believe that I saw real death and my life had ended I saw a dark side I opened a door I shouldn’t have this is the devils weed and it should be outlawed everywhere how many lives are going to be lost before our nanny government wakes up and realizes to legalize mj. Get this synthetic stuff out of our shops.

Flo Rida
4:13 am May 13th, 2012

I have smoke real weed and fake weed. I really enjoy both. I have never had any bad trips from it, but I must confess that this stuff is like crack. I have a bad addiction for it. I just feel bad that it got to the point of “lying”. I feel worthless for this addcition I have. For everyone else out there that is curious I recommend only smoking weed if you are planning on trying anything; because this stuff is pure evil. On a side not I must thank GOD that I have never felt any bad experiences from it. All I can tell is if do not smoke enough you wont trip.

katey
6:49 pm May 15th, 2012

I’ve smoked real weed, no big deal. yesterday my mom was like i have this new fake week you wanna try it “one hit and your gone” blah blah. so i was like okay i’ve smoked fake weed, it was always a giggly high for me. so i walked into her room and took a hit. and while i was taking a second hit i could already feel a high in my whole body. i took a small second hit. and walked out into the living room to tell my sister about how high i already was.. i tried to make it to the kitchen and realized i couldn’t so i sat on a chair. what happened next was the most terrifying insanely horrible physically and mentally experience i’ve ever endured. i sat there staring at my family i remember everything they said, my sister first said “is she joking” and in my mind she repeated it over and over again, after the 20th time i heard my boyfriend say idk and i looked over at him and he just kept repeating it. it was like we were all on a loop like where your rewind a movie and then you press play and the repeat that over and over again. it felt like i woke up from this trance that we were and had always been in my whole life. i woke up from it, i was screaming at them telling them to wake up to stop repeating. and they couldn’t hear me i stumbled onto a baby chair on the floor and cut my knee’s up my sister kelly helped me up and then i fell down over and over again 20 times the same thing over and over again. i woke up in this trance but couldn’t stop everyone else or my body i had no control of anything, i thought it’d never stop that this was it for the rest of my life i finally fell down and everyone slowly stopped repeating themselves and an hour later i was feeling better. it was worse mentally then my dad dying and my grandma dying combined and i can’t even talk about how physically painful it was i thought i was dying and that this was my hell this horrible thing. later i asked them how i acted towards them and they said “your sister would ask you a question and right after i would ask you something and it took you like a minute later to look at me.” the whole time i was repeating them and they had no clue. i had been screaming to them telling them to stop and they said i didn’t say one word while it was happening i just stood there zoned out with my mouth open. and i only fell one time onto the chair, but with me i did it over 20 times. they said i was in this zombie like trance for 5-10 minutes with me i felt like it had been my whole life. my entire life i’m not even coming close to exaggerating. last night i woke up to it happening to me again ( like 7 hours after i had taken those 2 hits) it was the worst day of my life, i’d rather relive every single horrible day in my life all at once if i could take back what happened to me. i feel i’ll never be the same. it is going to haunt me for forever. because to them it was 5 to 10 minutes, but to me it was literally mentally and physically an eternity. i’ve cried 3 times already today about it, i’m shaking right now thinking that if this happens to me again i’ll kill myself. i want to die.

Lori
8:42 pm May 16th, 2012

I don’t remember what synthetic weed I smoked but at the beginning I was fine, after a while it gave me a panic attack soooo bad It felt like if someone wanted to take away my life. I’m not a smoker but when I tried this stuff I mean it felt so bad, I fainted It felt like my brain was burning! I did MRI I had a cardiologist checked my heart I have done everything and nothing is wrong now after I smoked that I’ve been having headaches like crazy!!! Is this gonna go away? I’m I gonna stop thinking of that day? I really had a bad experience please don’t try this stuff it’s a matter of dead or alive and I thank god I’m alive! This stuff is no joke!!!

mariel
2:26 am May 29th, 2012

So like all of you I experienced similar effects as well I don’t do drugs or drink I smoked a couple of times weed when I was 17 now I’m 25 and was feeling really stress out and moody lately. So my boyfriend thought it would be a good idea to buy this, we both thought it was natural safe marijuana. He took one pull and was high I took 3 and quickly began to laugh unstoppable. I laid in my sofa and felt that my life was stuck doing the same thing over and over and felt at the same time I could continue to do this but had no choice. It was so painful but I couldn’t get out of there. Then it went all black and I was so angry and kept to argue with the world how we were destroying and I kept running but some how I was the universe. Then I was a black dot then a line saw more color and saw a police officer. I was just yelling and shaking my hands and hitting everyone and couldn’t do anything. Then some how they got me up and I went somewhere else where I was running and needed water. Came back and I was in the ambulance. Ohh I could continue I felt like I died but I had a vision of my son and this overwhelmed feeling came upon me gave me peace and about 5 hours later. I woke up tyed to the bed in the hospital with about 10 doctors and nurses around me. So much more happen but I feel like I need to forget about everything and move on. Its been 4 days after this happen and I don’t sleep maybe 2 hours a day because when I wake up I get panic attacks and it takes me a few minutes to get total control of my mind and body but the thought of my son really helps me. My body tingles all over its so freaky. I’m going to try and get help but I really feel they are going to think I’m crazy and take my son away from me. I know I have to get better for my well being. I hope I do I clearly have a better appreciation for my life now and don’t want to waste one minute being sad or depress cause life is good.

mariel
2:35 am May 29th, 2012

Please we need to really get the word out of this everyone has told me that where I live all the kids are going crazy with this. Synthetic marijuana its so insane I cant believe its being sold. THIS page has been very helpful in helping me see I’m not totally insane because my boyfriend doesn’t wants to talk about it. So thank you hopefully we all get better. To that girl who said she wants to kill herself please talk to someone and get help this is coming to light and soon we will get the respond and help we need. Just hang in there…

DxXxH
2:43 pm May 29th, 2012

My fiancee’s been smoking this stuff for I don’t know how long now, probably around 6 months. Before we met, he had smoked it but had quit and only smoke weed for awhile. Just recently (because the gas station at the end of our hills sells a bunch of different synthetic “weed” brands) he started again, also so he could get high without failing a drug test. He usually gets the ones that come in 4 gram pouches or this one that’s 8 grams called Dank. He’s smoked different ones (so far, Mr. Nice Guy, Berry Scary, G13, G20, Scooby Snacks, Nova, Nirvana) and so many others. Just in 2 days he spent like 60 dollars on it! He also smoked it one morning right before work, then walked out of work because he had gotten pissed off at everyone for no reason! So we’re facing being homeless because his last check was only $360 and rent’s due in one week for $250 (we also have roommates). Not to meantion power, food, pets, cigarette’s, etc.

I just DO NOT know what do do anymore! Also, he smokes at least 4 grams a day and gets mad at me when I won’t smoke it with him – I’ve smoked it TWICE and I swear, I will NEVER touch the damn stuff again! It’s horrible, and like so many before me said “It LITERALLY makes me feel like I’m about to die!” My hearbeat increased so much that, I swear, I was about to have a heart attack. So I had laid down on my deck, and my fiancee started yelling at me for something which only made me feel so much worse. I couldn’t calm down no matter what I did.

And just recently (the past month or so) I’ve noticed his personality changing as well as his moods. He’s angry all the time, if one of our 2 roommates piss him off, he comes to me to yell and cool off – but I can’t handle this! Because, then I just get angry and yell in turn. I’m seriously about to go and live with my parents again. Like I said, he’s always angry, easly irritated, moody, distant, and never sober. Him being high is a constant. He’s POSSIBLY only sober a total of 2 hours out of the day (and when he sleeps… most the time.)

He’s like a different person, and all I want is the man I fell in love with back.

I know if he keeps this up, I won’t marry him. I love him to death, but this change I don’t want. I don’t want to have children with him if he’s going to act like this. Kids (which we both want) WILL get on ANY parents nerves at some points – and with him being this tempermental, I would fear for any future childrens safty around him.

4:08 pm May 29th, 2012

Hi Muriel. I would encourage you to talk with a family doctor and tell her/him about the incident with Spice. Also, learn more about laws from your state about child care and drug use. You may be right to fear having your son taken from you, but you can also ask questions to learn more. But I am worried about your mental health and think that you may want to report what has happened. At least you know to stay away and never smoke Spice again!

6:09 pm May 29th, 2012

Hello DxXxh. Yes, addiction can be difficult to live with. I’d suggest that you check out the principles of Al-Anon in order to maintain a healthy connection with yourself, because your boyfriend is in active addiction and a Spice addict. Learn more about co-dependency as well, and see if you can face the main two behaviors of denial and enabling. And I agree with you. Marrying or having children with an addict would not be a healthy decision or one that would make a happy life easy.

Jaseeka1986
5:58 am May 30th, 2012

@Katey, Damn, I know you’ve got to be the same girl I just answered and you’ve described almost exactly what I went through, I had to scream at my dad to take me to the ER, I feel guilt everyday for introducing him & my sister(who’s now quit bc she’s pregnant w/twins) but he still smokes after he witnessed me almost die. It was horrible, and just know Katey that having someone who knows & felt the same thing, helps I think, so people know there’s no such thing as faking what happened. I’m telling you the truth when I say I swear to God it gets better. I had those panic attacks off & on, I’m not going to lie, for about 2 weeks I think, my advice is to take time off from work if you work, bc I was forced to work throughout this & am mortified at what I said or did to anyone, I can remember giving mean looks to people that were rude to me & that’s not me at all. If you can stay at home or with loved & trusted ones it’ll help you feel secure & help you feel calmer & will speed your recovery. Please know that the crying is both natural & a side effect from this stuff, your mood evens out, too after a little time, like a week or two, and it goes by quicker when you’re with people you trust. Everyone’s told me on this website on different forums that the one month point is a huge milestone, you can start to think clearly & sleep matters. You get your appetite back even more & trut me, it may seem to come slow, but just rest is my best advice. Just keep loved ones who understand close, & if you feel insecure or sick, i got nauseas & threw up once or twice within the first week, but it went away quickly, just taking it easy is the best thing to do, I cried many times as well, I had my parents & sisters telling me I was just being “me” & wanting attention. So having this forum helped SO much as to have something to look forward to & get daily advice. I will be on here often as I have been since March 4th when I had my injury. We love you & we will be here to answer questions, specific ones if ou have them. I just wish I’d read this post before I wrote the other one, as I would’ve been much more specific about time frames & what helped with me. This will be just a memory soon & time honest to God somehow does make things a bit better, it heals because I guess the memory fades or new things happen. It’s like when something embarrassing happened at school, soon enough something else will happen & good things will happen. If your boyfriend understands, hang around him a lot whenever you feel down, otherwise I’d rest. That’s all I said to anyone, “I just feel like I need to rest”. I said that for about 2 weeks, then at the month point I could laugh & that helped SO much. Then I could grasp things & put things in perspective. I promise things will get better, Let us know how you feel & I’m glad you felt you could be honest, that helps your healing, make sure to watch happy things on the internet & do things you’d do normally, ok? That helps you get back in routine. It helps, & this forum I know saved my life, Much, Much love, God Bless,
-Jessica

mariel
12:34 pm May 30th, 2012

Thanks jaseeka that really helps me since I’m still having panic attacks while I try to sleep at night. I know now that I will get better because of you and also my boyfriend being open n accepting everything. Everything you say is correct hopefully others will read this and honestly feel better. Think about things that make you happy and sorround yourself with people you trust. Since I cant sleep at night yet I found out that I feel safer having my boyfriend be awake while I sleep helpful so I sleep during the afternoon. People need to take off from work to do this ur health is more important than anything. Thank you so much jasseka.

DxXxH
9:33 pm June 10th, 2012

@ Addiction Blog

Difficult to live with is an understatment. And I’ve talked to him recently (like every other day actually) and he swears he’s going to quit, that this is his last bag… but it never is. And over the past two weeks it’s gotten worse. Our roommates moved out cause they couldn’t deal with him, we’re behind in rent and power will be out soon. He’s gotten to the point that he’s borrowing money from my 16 year old little brother who actually goes around and mows lawns and such for a bit of cash, always saying he’ll pay him back in a couple days… which never happens. He swears he loves me, he swears he’ll quit…

But… If he truly loved me, wouldn’t he just quit this? Why wouldn’t he quit before he actually GOT addicted? I’m so hurt… He never gives me complaments anymore, just constant insults… and even tried cheating on me with my younger 17 year old STEP SISTER for crying out loud! (he’s 27.. I mean, c’mon. Wtf?)

I’m so tired of him calling me a whore when he’s the only I’ve even been with in over 2 years… Why can’t he just understand and be more considerate of my feelings?

Erica J.
6:56 am June 13th, 2012

Omq . I tried this for the first time and everythinq that mostly everyone is saying is sooo true ! I am one that definately had a BAD tripp, it truely was terrible. Luckily i was weith someone who i trusted and they were not close to as high as i was.I do not remember too much after i passed out on the ground while walkinq to a qas station with my cousin. I honestly took two hits of it and was reaalllllyyyy high. It seemed as if i seen everything before it happened. Everything kept on repeating and i felt like i was unconcious or something. everything felt sooo fake and i tryinq my hardest to grasp on any little piece of reality that i could. I felt like after this trip the world and life on Earth was qoinq to be over. I felt as if i had to figure out life and i seen everything before it was happeninq. To ME i felt like i was qone for years, but to everyone else it was only a couple minutes. The most scariest thing to me was that i was seeing everthing before it was happening. When i finally made it back home ( i dont remeber how i qot there) i was constanty throwinq my quts up. It was really bad. Reqular weed NEVER made me feel as if i were qoinq to die. I have never ever had a tripp as bad, terrible, and terrifying as this one. I would never recommend anyone to even try this bc this is NOTHING like req. weed. Everyone who reads this im seriously asking you to not ever try this leqal bs.

Brody
8:09 am June 13th, 2012

Hi there my name is Brody Clement and i am a 19 year old male. I think you need to here my story. So i use to smoke pot and i thought it would be a good idea to stop so i tried Kronic to get myself off pot, i smoked kronic daily for about 4 months i thought it would of been better than smoking pot but one day i had a big panic attack so i said to myself that’s it, no more kronic about 2 days later i became dizzy and had more panic attacks this affected my vision making it feel like i am constantly drunk. I was thinking it would of just been a side effect and that it wouldn’t last long, well think again. To this day i am constantly dizzy and have panic attacks on a regular basis. In total i have been dizzy for approximately 1 year. no doctor knows what is wrong iv had all blood tests and MRI’s i have seen numerous doctors and specialists and have not found the answer to what is wrong. It has put a stand still to my life as i currently am on a sickness benefit and not receiving enough money to get by. i cannot drive due my constant dizziness, i feel like a hazard on the road. This has lead to me relying on my Partner to get me places like doctor appointments and specialist appointments and she worked to support us both until she developed endometriosis and lost her job. so here i am, a 19 year old that cannot live my life to the fullest because of that drug. I will never be able to move forward in my life and be stuck on $190 a week, i will never be able to do what i want or get nice things. I do not believe the government is doing enough to stop it, there are more forms of it now than before they illegalised it and it is more easy to get than ever. I believe it is more dangerous than marijuana because of the chemicals they put in it, the main one being anxiety medication which in my case has made me more anxious. The government needs to ban it completely, all forms of synthetic drugs. The people who are making them need to be shut down. It is a dangerous thing to bring into society. I would really just like to get the message out there because this has ruined my life and i don’t want this to happen to any one else. I cannot stress enough about how bad this drug is, it has caused me to not be able to work and i will most likely be like this forever as they cannot find out what is wrong.
Please tell me if use have the same problem as i need to find a cure

dale
4:07 pm June 14th, 2012

I don’t recall what it was that I smoked, but it was a synthetic brand. it felt like the experience lasted years. the roughness of getting knocked around, my brain thought of many things, people, places, my experiences all wrapped up into a brief moment in time. I couldn’t recollect exactly where I was or who was with me, even though I was looking straight at them. The people around me looked like they were aging, their hair color looked different, and older, their skin looked older than it previously was. I felt like I was aging. The experience felt like it lasted for years and it was painful. I knew I could make it though it. I had flashes of the cross, it was painful, helped me realize what I had to endure. I had no Idea I would have that sort of reaction. I just didn’t think that would happen. I only took one hit. It was like a seizure that I was aware of and awake and I can’t stress about how long it lasted, even though it was a matter of minutes. It was one of the worst things, if not the worst thing I’ve ever felt in my life. It was my decision though and I don’t blame anyone. It was torture and it felt like it would have been better if I had quit, just have my body shut down, but I knew I could make it and I wanted to finish the experience and move on.. I could not control myself and I was in a loop. a spiral of beats and convulsions. It felt like the convulsions were going to some very strang pattern of syncopated beats. like a drum machine. I was sort of controlling, I had to place the beats, I felt like I was putting them in their places so they wouldn’t all be at once, I was managing them. It was a musical experience of pain, like there were people kicking and stomping on me. When I drank some water it subsided. I still spilt the water all over me. but when I drank it that’s when it started to end. My perception kept changing, it felt like a dungeon. I was confused and it felt as though the entire universe was watching me go though it and I had to make it so I could show them. it was a blend of confused people, not sure how to feel about what was happening. No one was sad, but it seamed like they were all there, even people I don’t know, or who don’t know me personally.

8:58 pm June 15th, 2012

Hi again, DxXxH. Yes, it sound like he’s in active addiction. I’d suggest that you check out Al-Anon seriously. You may be codependent in this relationship and learning more about codependency can help you get back on your feet again. I wish you all the best!

HappyLucky
5:48 pm June 17th, 2012

As a long time marijuana smoker who recently moved to a new area, tried this crap for the first time, since I couldn’t find any pot. BIG MISTAKE! Took 1/2 a hit, immediately began experiencing the problems mentioned in above posts. Couldn’t move, heart racing, couldn’t see. My wife discovered me half an hour later on floor and called 911. Spent 3 days in hospital after having heart attack that mystified everyone since I am in my 30′s and run 70 miles a week. This stuff is extrememly dangerous and NOTHING like weed. Not even close. Please stay away from this stuff.

Blessed
7:55 am June 19th, 2012

I smoked some synthetic yesterday, not sure what kind as it wasn’t mine. I took two hits from a pipe, the second was a rather large hit. Seconds later I got the sense of nothing is real, started giggling, then shortly after blacked out. I had an out of body experience as I watched myself laugh so hard I pissed myself then came back and blacked out again. I then had another out I body experience where I watched myself laughing at my friend, spin around as passing out, hit my head on the grill, then fall to the ground knocked out. This all happened. In my knocked out state of mind I replayed that out of body expirence over and over and over and it began to seem as if it wasn’t real. Then I started questioning existence and them went on to questioning why the reruns were saying what they were saying and then I remember saying “God Help Me” in my head and repeated it a good several times. After this I came to, my friends told me what happened, said my face was a grey almost completely white that not even my lips had color. I went on and began to go crazy as I thought my mother was there and I had seen while passed out that she was or that I thought she was and paramedics as well that I had been shocked back to life twice but this wasn’t so. It all seemed very real to me which scared me greatly. I was saying things that were out of context and making no sense. Everything that was happening I saw in my head while I was passed out. Oh yeah, while I was passed out my friend had said I stopped breathing then moments later my heart had stopped beating. I once ran out into the street lookin for my mother to help me before I died. I was having an asthma & panic attack all while my heart was beating so fast I saw it pumping through my chest. It was at atleast I know somewhere between 200-300 beats per minute. I was scared to death. I am very very lucky to be alive to tell this story. I hope the sale of synthetic marijuana is banned everywhere throughout the US. After I got my heart rate down a little I threw up & instantly felt better & regained normal pigment. I now suffer a migraine and a bit of nausea. Please, please, please, help get this drug banned. I am a 15 year old girl who could have easily died today not only because of idiotic choices but the harmful effects of this legal drug.

jayzeee
3:26 am June 21st, 2012

I smoked this TODAY, took 3 hits and that was it. I’ve smoked this stuff MANY times before and was fine.. but today was different. As soon as I smoked I instantly felt it and knew it was too much. I got EXTREMELY dizzy I was seeing things in threes, and my vision was going insane. I freaked out and couldnt calm down, my heart was beating too fast. I tried to lay down but I found it harder to breathe (which I was having trouble breathing to begin with)! My head was pounding.. I had the “near death experience” that everyone talks about with incense. I LEGIT no questions asked, thought I was going to die it was the most intense fear and at the time I was SURE it was going to happen. I thought about calling the ambulance multiple times.. and honestly, Im very surprised I didnt. I started vomiting intensely (which at the time freaked me out even more). Let me remind you this is from someone that has smoked incense LOTS of times. Never again will I smoke this. I rather be sober ANY DAY than feel like im going to die because I was trying to get high.

Josh
10:50 pm June 21st, 2012

I’ve been smoking a brand called Meditation Remix for a couple weeks now and literally threw out the remainder of it last night. On several occasions, I literally felt like I was losing my mind. It wasn’t a good thing. And then, last night, after smoking it, I felt like death was immanent. The room, though the same, was different. I don’t know how to explain it. It was like this deep, unsettling, primal fear that I couldn’t shake. The only thing I could even equate it to is hell. If there is a hell, I’d imagine that’s what it would feel like. I’ll never touch the stuff again. I’m just hoping I can eventually forget last night’s experience entirely. If you’re looking for a marijuana substitute, do yourself a favor and stop. Stick with the real thing if you’re going to continue smoking. Whatever this stuff is will make you crazy. Honestly, if I felt like I did last night all of the time, I’d probably kill myself.

josh
8:25 am June 24th, 2012

I smoked this stuff off and on for about 4-5 months and never really had a AWFUL experience..well about 2 weeks ago I smoked some with a friend and after the 2nd hit I was high and for some reason I took another hit and it was literally the worst thing in the world..my heart was beating so fast it was like it was about to pop out of my chest..along with the panic and fear of I’m about to die..I was admitted into the hospital. The next day due to a high headrests..and now at times I just start having panic attacks and that fear I’m going to and about to die but when I get to hospital everything my eight bloodwork stays everything is fine..its been 2 weeks since that awful trip and haven’t smoked any since but I would love to know if this state of panic attacks will ever go away??? Will I ever feel normal again??? Is there something the doctors aren’t finding??? Any advice would be greatly appreciated

4:48 pm June 24th, 2012

Hi Josh. Unfortunately, we still don’t know a lot about the long term effects of synthetic cannabinoids. However, we do know that increasing numbers of people are being sent to psychiatric hospitals or treated by psychiatrists for physical and mental symptoms of psychosis related to smoking Spice. I’d suggest that you seek help from an MD and see where you can go from here. Good luck and I truly hope that you start to feel normal soon.

Some girlll
5:02 am June 25th, 2012

This stuff is terribly bad and I will never do anything again and recommend that other people shouldnt do it. I was with my two friends and they didn’t tell me that it was spice. So after already taking the first hit, it didn’t seem too bad so I took a second one. It took maybe a few seconds to kick in and all of a sudden everything was becoming wobbly in front of me and darkening. I was fighting so hard to try and pull my head up and keep my eyes open I said something’s wrong I don’t feel good and next thing I know everything goes black and I couldn’t breathe it was like something was almost keeping me from breathing and they were trying to tell me to breathe and I was gasping for air. I could just see like my whole life slipping away right then and there and I thought that would be the last of everything. Then what came next was even worse I thought I was literally trapped in hell. I was a black figure in a tunnel of burning flames and my wholeee body just burned so terribly and it seemed to last forever as I was trying to breathe and I was screaming at the top of my lungs, I was shouting out prayers to God to please let me go to heaven and everything and I was also shouting I love you to my friends incase they could hear me, although I didn’t think they would be able to cuz I just felt so distant and positive that I was dead and had their voices stuck with me telling me not to worry and just breathe. After I finally caught onto my breathing, the burning slowed down, but then my heart started beating reallyyy fast and felt like it was gonna burst out of my chest and they told me it was all in my head and my mind just twists everything around and that I’m going to be ok. What seemed to have pulled me back to reality was them convincing me to breathe and my friend talking to me about past memories. That experience definitely opened my eyes up to many things, and I hope that nobody will ever have to go through that. It made me want to turn my life around to avoid hell if thats what it is like and now I’m extremely afraid of the dark ever since that

rachel ulrick
4:21 pm July 2nd, 2012

i never post on blogs like this BUT this i given.ive smoke spike a few times, i can usually hav 5 cones and im fine but tonight was different, i had half of one and within 30 seconds i was dropping in from being unconcious to concious, everything was blurd, i couldnt breathe, i coulnt moved i couldnt speak, my heart was going so slow i could feel every beat, my brain was telling me i was going to die, my body wouldnt stop shaking, my thoughts would only last seconds then they would dissapear, the only thing i could think of is this is it i have pushed myself i new i was dying my boody was doing everything to keep me alive Everything was black.. My brain felt like it was exploding. It was the most painful thing I have ever endured. It seemed like it lasted for hours. Im a 19 year old girl AND I HIGHLY THINK THIS SHOULD NOT BE LEGL, I WILL NOT TELL ANYONE TO TRY IT!!! i cant sleep tonight, i cant stop thinking about how aweful i felt :(

Tracey
8:27 pm July 4th, 2012

My husband started smoking K2 because his job does random drug testing, and he wanted to get a marijuana high. I didn’t really have a problem with it at first because he convinced me it was all natural. However, after about 6 months I notices he started to withdraw from our friends and family. He smoked it for about 10 months and suffered from high blood pressure, mood swings and terrible twitching while sleeping. He reluctantly quit after being caught having an affair with our neighbor.

I can say that I think the effects of k2 have done permanent damage to his brain and after 3 months of not smoking it he still has violent episodes, especially if he drinks.

Thankfully since then, it has been outlawed in NY, NJ, PA and many other states….

Don'tbeme
8:06 am July 5th, 2012

@Tracey I am SO glad you didn’t leave him for cheating. I am the most faithful person in the world would jump in front of a bus for my lover. I’ve been with him for 9 years since I was 17 yrs. old. Only him, that’s a given because I loved him & didn’t even want to talk to anyone else. This stuff completely changed me, I almost died. The reason I’m responding to you about this is because a “friend” of mine(she is no longer my friend, she’s truly evil beyond words) cam over. She must’ve seen my posts on Facebook & saw I was slipping in and out of sanity. And the sick disgusting person she is saw I was weak. I was literally like a 5 yr. old. I was insane. Completely insane, it was like I was in a dream. I’ve been smoking this stuff all day every day since Winter of 2011. She took me to a bar & threw me into the arms-LITERALLY- of some stranger. She was using me as an alibi for her to cheat on her husband & get drunk while he was at home with her beautiful 3 yr. old Grace. So long story short I was raped. I was so insane I couldn’t even speak to say stop, all I could get out was “condom, condom” And he put one on. After he started the reality of the situation set in, but I just FROZE while he did whatever he wanted to me. I can’t give details because who wants to hear that? The only thing he said while he was doing it was(He saw the look on my face) “What’s wrong? Are you ok?” BUT HE KEPT ON even after I couldn’t speak. I coudn’t even cry. I was insane so my boyfriend has forgiven me, he saw it first hand, and after my near-death experience & breaking psychologically even more knowing I’d hurt my boyfriend it had gotten even worse & he saw & dealt with me rambling every night for a month how this stuff “had changed me & driven me crazy.” I then got every STD check/test known to man done. I felt my body change chemically. Every test came back negative. Though they all failed to tell me that Herpes can lay dormant in a blood test because the test measures antibodies your body develops to fight it. So now, I’m infected with Herpes simplex 2. I didn’t know I was infected, & the tests came back negative, all coupled with the fact I was INSANE, I slept with my boyfriend. My life & my boyfriend’s life are now ruined.

I think you are lovely to not have left him for what happened in your relationship since I can tell you this drug/Poison makes people insane incapable of comprehending anything or the consequences. He is not guilty. He honest to God did not know what he was doing. If you know him better than anyone you’ll know this already. I’m now sane & have been clean ever since I almost died March 4th from this poison. But it still doesn’t change what happened to me. I want to die. I hate life. It’s not fair these infected DISGUSTING people are out there infecting people when they know they’ve got a disease that can cause irreparable damage. They should be thrown in prison like people spreading AIDS or HIV. There is a special place in Hell for these people. If I were homicidal he’d be dead. But I’m not so unsuspecting women’s lives are being ruined by the second. I put on a town website he’s infected so I hope I’ve spread the word enough, but 2 females wrote to me on there saying they were SO glad they didn’t mess with him “or their friend either.” He tried everything in his power not to wear a condom, but I still made him. I guess that didn’t matter. And just so everyone knows, you feel like you’ve got the flu 24-7 with Herpes. I’ve found out about Miracle Mineral Solution & will be ordering some ASAP, they say it can cure Herpes. They also say it can cure AIDS but I know that’s a strong statement. But I am desperate. Desperate to rid myself of this disease. I know more than half of this isn’t related to replying to you & for that I apologize. I hope your marriage goes well & you will see a HUGE difference in him & the man you fell in love with returning after a month to 3 months. Maybe even quicker, but this poison’s got to detox out of you before you return to normal. I didn’t think I’d ever be right again. But I am now, just have to cope with what I’ve done which also entails being in pain 24-7. If anyone has some advice or health news to give me about eradicating this disease/virus/viral infection from my body I would be forever grateful. I would never forget you & be in debt for the rest of my life. God bless & know it will be ok everyone, STOP before you do something you’ll regret & will change your life FOREVER. Let ME be a warning to you. This stuff is Evil, pure Evil.

bob
7:35 pm July 5th, 2012

Tracey, google “effects of k2″ it is dried herbs sprayed with a synthetic chemical JWH-018 (now banned) but others come out just like it..all the k2 k3 k4 and cloud sythetics are very dangerous..way worse than actual marijuana..i know a couple friends who smoked it regularly and have never been the same since..

DxXxH
9:01 pm July 5th, 2012

@ Tracey

That’s kind of how my ex-fiancee started. But, like I said in an earlier post, he eventually quit his job. And now we lost our house. Shortly after that (Right around a week ago) I broke it off with him.

Like you, I didn’t have a problem with it at first but, like your husband, my ex-fiancee started withdrawing from people, myself included I’ve just recently learned after out break up. And, I’m guessing now that the twitching while sleeping must be a side effect or the start of one because he started to as well. Violently. Back when he and I was together, I thought nothing of it. Looking back now, it started 2 or so months after he started smoking it. It used to scare me at first cause I thought he may have been having a seizure or something.

I’m sorry to hear yours was having an affair. I don’t believe mine was, but… I may never know. I suspected at times… But no facts.

And it seems k2 mixed with alcohol is one of the worse combos out there. Early yesterday he had drank and ended up breaking into our ex-neightbors home while the neighbors wife and 2 young kids were home (infant and toddler) and earlier that day was sexually harassing my friend. The neighbors ended up fighting him, and he’s currently in the hospital and then going to jail. And horribly enough, I can’t bring myself to feel bad for him, or hardly even care. He did this to himself. I love him, yes… But I’m not putting up with this. It just gets worse and worse. I don’t think he’ll ever be the same.

Jaseeka1986
10:20 am July 7th, 2012

I, too violently twitch; while falling asleep mainly, still after 3 months off being off of it. It must be a side effect. I see a bright light when it happens. Lord. I’ll keep everyone posted if I notice a symptom that seems to coincide with others’. It does get better. I promise everyone it does. I thought I’d never be right again after smoking heavily since Winter of 2011 until March 4th when I almost died from it. i know I did long-term damage. You’ll be feeling better soon, even if it feels like it’ll never be the same, it only takes about a month to a month & a half to notice it’s getting better(for heavy users). You won’t think about death anymore, either, that’s a big one. The old dreams are still popping up in my head, but not as much as it was happening. Marijuana affect you hipocampus*(in your brain) which is responsible for memory, so if this affects it the same way it would explain the old memories of dreams coming back. They come back vividly, it would be cool, but I know it’s a side affect of my brain, so that makes it serious.. I’ll keep you all posted.

@Muriel & Katey, I hope you’re doing good, God bless & I’ll pray for you two. You are both beautiful people & priceless! :)

God Bless, everyone keep faith. Much, much love to all.

Tracey
4:35 pm July 8th, 2012

@ Don’t be me, I can so relate to it when you say Insane!! He truly was and that is the only reason I stayed by him. We still have issues as I said especially when he drinks too much, a switch is flips and he goes from normal to Physo in a matter of a second! So we limit our drinking to a few beers and that’s it!! He has always had mild anger issues, but NEVER like what I have experienced since he started using Spice, and now it still happens almost 3 months clean. I fear it’s permanent! Everything I read says that we should tell his Dr. that he was smoking Spice, but he is embarrassed and doesn’t like to tell people. I’m not sure what can be done for him?

Tracey
12:45 pm July 9th, 2012

@ Don’t Be Me,

I totally understand the term “Insane” that is exactly what he was during his Spice use! He still has anger issues if he drinks too much, goes from normal to Insane in a Second! and like I said he has been clean for a little over 3 months!

We have been together for almost 20 years, so walking away wasn’t an option, considering he had always been such a loving support partner for 19 years! I totally blame Spice for what happened and I am so thankful it had been banned in our state and all neighboring states since he quit.

I hope that someday he will be totally normal and really wish the DEA & FDA would do more to keep these kinds of drugs out of gas stations & head shops!

Don'tbeme
4:58 am July 10th, 2012

@Tracey I can completely relate to the anger issues while smoking Spice & afterwards from detoxing from it. I know that going to a doctor can be embarrassing, mainly because doctors nowadays seem to only value their own input. I would maybe go on forums specifically for your area, like ‘Topix.com’ then enter your city & start a ‘thread’/post and ask everyone if they know a good doctor to go to. A psychologist may be a good idea, they don’t prescribe medication, they can give their notes to a psychiatrist who can prescribe, though. I wouldn’t recommend a psychiatrist because after damaging our brains we may want to lay off of any other heavy medications. But if you think he may need something to get him through the rough patch, by all means, take that form of help. I know that getting prescribed klonopin(if you go that route make sure he can handle a benzodiazepine -family of drugs for anxiety or anti seizures). The klonopin, after I was sure my brain had healed somewhat, bc I’d had terrible migraines in pin-pointed areas all over my brain, I finally took my klonopin. It actually helped me ‘snap back into reality’. I only needed to take it for about a month, it helped me get my appetite back as well & control my anger, so it wsa a win-win-win situation after this ordeal. I think once it helped me think regularly again I snapped back into reality & that way of thinking. it was like before taking it & detoxing from this poison was all a bad dream, like the whole time I’d used it felt like I’d been dreaming, like while living it it didn’t feel real, especially compared to being able to be conscious & aware of my surroundings again, like before I smoked this crap. I have since stopped taking it because I can think clearly now & it was very strong & I couldn’t work on it, even taking it the night before I was still drowsy the morning & day after. So I had to make a choice. If I still needed it I’d be taking it. So that’s one option, join a forum to find a well-recommended doctor, Primary care, psychologist or psychiatrist, get prescribed anti-anxiety meds(they usually cover the anti-depressant area as well, many anti-anxiety meds are considered efficient for both concerns/matters. So I don’t feel there’s a need for a separate pill for both & many psychiatrists like tp push more than one so be careful, one is sufficient, many psychiatrists get paid for pushing newly developed or patented pills, so be mindful of that. Some other advice I could give is to eat healthy. Grow your own garden if you’ve got the time, it’s such an amazing investment in your health. There’s so many additives nowadays in our food we have no idea. Eating healthy will help this junk detox from his body & most importantly, brain. Fruits & vegetables help regulate your immune system & your digestive system. This poison threw everything in my body off & I found it hard, nearly impossible to use the restroom. Healthy eating helps & can do wonders, I promise. He will notice a difference. It can be something you can do together. A garden makes it less expensive & creates a hobby to do together. I know forums like these can help tremendously. This one saved my life I know this. I can say love helped the most. Just having someone tell me they love me &(this sounds corny but it’s SO true) that everything’s going to be ok, helped me so much, with my anger, anxiety & depression that follows this detoxing. A visit to your primary care doctor is in order for him after quitting, just if anything for his peace of mind. To know he didn’t cause any visible damage, that’s one thing I obsessed about because my brain literally hurt & I got scared I’d done irreparable damage, so seeing first hand I was ok helped so much. if you don’t have a primary care doctor, find a well recommended one & see them asap. Find cheap, reliable insurance if you’ve got none. Medical bills are unnecessarily high. One more important thing that can help, watch & surround yourselves with positive TV or entertainment, & life in general. This stuff makes you depressed, so making him laugh & watching comedy channels or cartoons(Family Guy for example) can help tremendously! Laughing helps more than I can put into words. It helps your overall general attitude & outlook on life. It can give you motivation & will & even more energy. I hope some of this helps. I will keep studying & will let you know if I come across or remember anything else that helped me even back out & get back to normal so that I can help you help him & get back to normal. God Bless & I will keep racking my brain. Just tell him if you want, or just keep this in mind for your peace of mind in this situation, that I didn’t think I’d EVER be right again, even halfway right, that’s how far gone I was mentally, but Ican now think clearly, type faster, write in cursive again & perform my job just as well as I used to. That helps my self esteem, too. It got wrecked throughout this ordeal, I lost all faith in myself & self esteem. But now I’ve built back up, and practicing my job & stopping smoking that evil poison was a must to do so. Once he gets clear enough to see he’s getting better, that’ll be such a motivator in itself. God Bless & I hope this helps a little & hope everything goes well for you throughout this time in your life. I’ll pray & hope to keep in touch to see how he & you are improving. I’m here to help & suggest things that I found helpful. No one should go through this alone, I almost did & it’s very hard. You two are very lucky to have each other who loves each other! :) God Bless! Much love to you!

Logan Davis
6:35 am July 10th, 2012

man I remember trying this stuff with a friend of mine. I’m 16 btw. he said its way stronger than the real shit but I smoke hard weed so I figured fuck that I can handle that shit. so we smoke about a fat bowls worth and about the first five minutes everything was great laughing life was awesome. then my heartbeat got really fucking loud and I could t hear anything besides it. I got a perfect fucking visual of it inside my chest like I had super x ray vision or some crazy shit like that lol. then I fell onto my friends floor and started shaking a little bit. he kept saying my name which really freaked me out so I said just give me a second. that when I had a OBE ( out of body experience ) I was like a little ghost or something floating above my funeral. my vision was like first person from above the funeral and I saw myself lying in my casket as they put me into the ground and my mom was balling her eyes out and all of my family and friend were standing down there hugging each other saying why!?! why did he have to die so young!?! that’s when I really thought I had died and I was in the afterlife. then my buddy Kyle said LoGAN and I snapped out of the whole OBE and went and threw up and I was pretty much sober. really scary shit though to be honest. all the other times were just fine. this was the first time I ever did it btw. please reply to my story thank you

Brandon
10:23 am July 13th, 2012

After reading most of these posts, I have to agree on a lot of them especially about the fact that it’s ADDICTING! The first time I ever smoked this was about 15 months ago and it was the stuff with the JWH-018. I miss that kinda spice, cuz when you smoked it didn’t give you a horrible thinkin-ur-goin-to-die trip, it just got you really high and a good mood trip. Now this new stuff that doesn’t contain the JWH-018 just gives you a real dirty high and they don’t tell you what other stuff they’re putting in it. The part about it being addicting is really true cuz I started smoking the new stuff bout couple months ago and I cant stop, it’s always at the back of my mind throughout the day, just constantly planning out when the next time ill be gettin blazed. It’s so addicting its to the point where I’ll be having those horrible trips and be telling myself I’m never goin to smoke again, but i do. There was this one time I smoked hammerhead and I tripped so bad that I wasn’t aware of my body, I couldn’t feel my face, my chest, my breathing etc. it was like an OBE (out of body experience) trip and I thought i was dead or dying, cuz I couldn’t tell if I was breathing or not. Scariest thing ever! I I used to have fun off it a while back but this newer spice is wack… But I still smoke it so you can say I have a problem. I recently just moved to Phoenix so I have no connections at all of getting some real bud cuz as soon as I get my hands on sweet ol’ maryjane, I’ll be quitin this spice for good.

Tracey
4:59 pm July 13th, 2012

@ Dont be me

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences, I have to say that I am thankful I found this site, as it has helped me deal with a lot of the issues we have had. Not that I wish this on anyone, but I realized that I am not alone!! So, thanks again and God Bless You!

Rayven
7:04 am July 14th, 2012

I started out as a regular mary jane smoker. I love smoking weed very much, the high it gives you is amazing. Then, I started smoking this spice stuff, because some close friends were doing it, I figured that it would be just like weed, just cheaper and many different varieties. I started off with ‘Cloud 10 Bubble Gum’. And that was pretty okay stuff, then we all started trying different things, everything from ‘Cloud 10′ to Kill a Gorilla.
I remember sitting outside with my friends smoking Kill a Gorilla, in the daylight.I took 4 hits of this stuff (and I have a HUGE tolerance). The next thing I remember is getting this “watery vision” feeling, like I was looking through kaleidoscope plastic. And when I stood up, I felt like I was walking on water. Then my heart started to beat pretty fast. I ran home and ate food to try and get myself out of this high. I literally felt like I was dying. And not to mention the drained feeling you get from the after affects of it.
Then we keep doing it, I took smaller hits and less of it, just enough to get a good buzz going.
Then we mixed ‘Cloud 10′, ‘Pink Kush’, ‘Scooby Doo’, and ‘Out of this world together’. We all felt like we were dying. I got the “watery vision” feeling again, then my whole body went numb, my tounge went dry, I got very anxious, very very paranoid. They had went inside and left me outside in the garage. I had to go in and drink something to center myself.
After that I kind of backed off of that. I did some research on what this had in it. Some of it has mushrooms in it, some has Salvia, some have that new LSD in it.
Just tonight I smoked 4 hits of Scobby Doo, and I’m done with it.
I thought I was going to throw up, my heart started beating badly, my body was shaking horribly. I had to get in the shower, a COLD shower, and wash my hair, while listing to music. Just to try and get out of it. I’m sober now but, I still feel very very anxious, and very very paranoid.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me if you could get heart problems from this, or mental problems?
I’m done with this stuff, and either not smoking anything or smoking MJ.

Word of adivice, have water, or something with you to drink when you do this and you start to get that panic feeling, watch something funny, take a cold shower, EAT FOOD, it WILL help you get out of it. Call a friend, talk to someone. If you decide to even do it.

I won’t ever touch this stuff again.
I think that it’s going to start killing people,
and I think it’s sad that legal stuff that kills is allowed but, not something natural that doesn’t do this isn’t.

I hope you decide to not do this after reading this.

GORDON
2:48 pm July 14th, 2012

Yo Logan! Let me know what your doing to turn things around. Acceptance of things is the first step.

hope
8:25 pm July 14th, 2012

im a 15 year old girl and i was with my friends about 4 days ago when we smoked this stuff. my friends brother said it was called “venom” and none of us had ever smoked it before. ive only ever smoked natural marijuana once when i was 13. this is the first and ONLY time i smoked synthetic stuff. but now i have panic attacks before i go to bed and when i wake up.its only been 4 days but i want to know what else to expect. i also cant eat because i have no appetite and cant sleep because i panic. every day i feel like im dying. i know im over thinking alot of it but i cant tell my mom, she would be so ashamed. i just want someone who is in the same situation and farther along to tell me what to expect and walk me through it. my friend didnt even get a trip when she smoked but me and her brother did, her brother seems fine and so does she. so im hoping someone can help me through this as soon as possible so i can know what to do. im just so young and alone right now the only person that knows is my boyfriend and hes trying to help me through this but he doesnt understand. so PLEASE someone respond.

Rayven
3:26 am July 16th, 2012

@Hope, I get the same feelings. NEVER touch that stuff again. I would honestly talk to someone you can trust about it. This stuff it bad news. I just have to talk myself out of because, I know it’s more a mental issue then anything. You can read my post also. I would seriously at this point just step away. I really really think that this stuff causes long term damage.

tyler
4:32 am July 16th, 2012

I smoked this stuff for a few periods of time, im talking every day 1-3 blunts. sometimes even personals. i never had a bad experience. this was last year from febuary until august.the first time i had a bad experience with this i smoked a whole personal blunt of Wicked, this was one of my first time smoking any legal. i began to go in and out of conscienceness i may have been having a seizure idk i couldnt speak or anything it was bad. it only lasted for about 25mins. i never had another bad experience with this again. i stopped smoking it and went back to heavy heavy mj use. im talkling 10g of high grade a day easily, and i mean everyday, untill january of this year. i had to start smoking legal again, in the beggingin i never had any problems. i smoked it everyday for about 2 months then quit for a month and got back on mj. i started smking legal again in about febuary and did not stop until a month ago. in may i had my first “near death experince” as all of the above have described it. i didnt understand it at all i was so scared. where i went wrong though is not stopping i continued to smoke this stuff and have almost 10 more “near death experiences” some not as sever as others. Ive recently pick mj back up. the problem is when i smoke the real thing now i continue to have these “near death experiences”. im very scared. i think there is something wrong with me seriously. my throat glands sometimes feel swelled and its hard to swallow. the back of my head has a weird feeling to it. i have muscle spasms all throught the day in my right arm. sometimes i just feel weird like i know im not right idk how to describe it. im seeing a social worker currnetly because of the sever aniety im goin through. if anyone has had these things happen to them please tell me and if anyone has any medical insight please share it with me. i am honestly scared for my life

GORDON
12:14 pm July 16th, 2012

IT IS NOT ARTIFICIAL WEED, IT IS WHO KNOWS WHAT FROM SOME BLOOD SUCCESS TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEALTH, I PROMISE YOU WILL REGRET THIS AND HAVE A HARD TIME ERASING THESE TIMES FROM YOUR BODY AND LIFE.
IF YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE INTO THIS DON’T COME AROUND. FEEL PROUD, DO SOMETHING FOR OTHERS EVEN IF IT HURTS
LET ME KNOW HOW YOUR DOIN!!. .

IF YOU DON’T HAVE ANYONE TOO TALK TO ,TALK TO ME

GORDON
9:06 pm July 16th, 2012

Dear HOPE,
I am really troubled that you use this crap. Please don’t do this to yourself, your life is just begining and you need to remember you are still growing, don’t damage your brain function, ability to study, your motavation will be out the window.
Let me know :)

GORDON
9:08 pm July 16th, 2012

Rayven YOUR THE MAN write to Hope if you will

Jaseeka1986
4:54 am July 17th, 2012

@Hope It’s withdrawels from it, it WILL go away, I promise. You’re experiencing the same thing me and many others have gone through after smoking it. I smoked it every day all day for 6 to 7 months, and felt the exact same thing, unfortunately not everyone has to smoke it more than once or a long period of time to go through the bad effects of detoxing from it. I hope you get to read this message, because you need to know what’s going on with your body, I didn’t know what it was & it scared me & I didn’t think I’d ever be “right” again, but I am, so I know more than anyone what you’re going through & that it WILL pass soon. I’d say in a couple of days, at the most a week you’ll be better. It took me a month to 3 months only because I smoked for so long & so much at a time. Thinking of death or feeling like you’re going to die, like the fast heart rate, and agitation & sad feelings, these will all pass & are natural while detoxing from this substance. Just know they are just symptoms from this garbage. I don’t think I’ve got to tell you to stay away from it, feeling this way should make anyone not want to experience these feelings over again from having smoked it a second time. Going through it once is enough. Please tell your friends to stay away from it. I don’t want to scare you but this stuff made me, a perfectly sane, polite, loving young woman(I’m 25 yrs. old) go completely insane, but once again you don’t have to worry about that because I smoked it way too much & for months straight, this is why that happened to me. I went absolutely bonkers, so please let your friends know to stay far away from it. If they feel they HAVE to get high(I know how it was when I was younger, the mindset of thinking you know & are capable of taking care of yourself & wanting to get high & not to hear anyone tell you not to) then tell them to smoke marijuana, it’s the safest thing out here, and it will be legal very soon, it’s better for you than drinking alcohol, alcohol is a poison. That advice(to smoke weed if you do anything) is NOT for you, though, you’ve made it clear you don’t smoke weed, you only did it once, & it sounds like you weren’t too interested or had more pressing things to do, like study to be a doctor or veterinarian ;)(just two cool jobs I’m throwing out there!) That advice about pot is just for any friends you’ve got who are hard-headed about getting high. Let them know this stuff is completely DANGEROUS, it’s mystery chemicals, no one knows what they are or what they do to the body & are not to be messed with AT ALL. You only did it once so you will be fine, I promise. I just had to let you know what you were experiencing(detoxing/withdrawing) so that you could deal with it properly. Eat healthy food, fruits & vegetables, watch positive things on TV, and try to keep yourself occupied doing fun things, or good things for others, or yourself, like clean your room, chores or just watch/read good or funny things that make you happy. If you feel bad after a week or two, you may want to visit a pediatrician(doctor for people under the age of 18) & tell them you’re stressed out & are finding it hard to sleep, they may prescribe a short-term anti-anxiety medication that will help you get over this quicker/easier. Honestly, I had to get prescribed something to get back to normal, but like I said, I smoked an extremely large amount, and for a very long time, so I went through this for much longer, and believe it or not much, much worse than what you’re feeling. Only a doctor can tell you what’s right for you, though, and you may not need any medication, it may be over before you know it or can even make an appointment to see a doctor. But if you do continue to feel this way & think you need help, you may want to tell you mother/father/sister/brother or a loved one who you trust(friend/friend’s mother or father), so they can help you go about getting help. If you haven’t stopped smoking this poison, stop immediately, I just have to say that just in case, because it(the bad feelings you’re experiencing) will keep getting worse & it will postpone your recovery until you stop completely. I hope I helped you a bit, to know why you’re feeling the way you’re feeling. It’s withdraw symptoms & that means they will get less & less as it gets out of your system, with every passing day. I’d keep drinking water to help you detox it out of your body/system, you’ll feel better quicker that way, that’s how the body works, you “flush” toxins out by drinking water(like how you get alcohol out for example). God Bless, Hope & keep us posted so we can help or give you more advice, you should always talk to someone, never keep how you’re feeling(if you’re feeling bad, uncomfortable or sad) inside, it can get worse that way. This way by telling someone we can try to help & make you feel better, or get/find you help if need be. We’re here to help, ok? You’ll feel so much better in a day or two, every day should feel better than the last. Much, much love, Hope -Jessica.

Rayven
11:51 am July 17th, 2012

I have to say. I’ve been off this for two days now, and I already feel better. If I don’t think about the feelings I got from smoking this stuff, then the anxiety doesn’t happen. I think that it stays in your system for awhile, kind of like acid does, and gives you that feeling every so often. But, it’s going away, and I don’t get as many anxiety attacks. So THERE IS HOPE. For all of you.

@Gordon, have you ever even smoked before?

Hope
12:46 am July 18th, 2012

thanks to all of you who gave advice. its been exactly a week and im starting to sleep better and when i wake up i only feel aniexty for a short amount if time. my appetite is coming back so im hoping it will keep getting better from here. ive been keeping myself occupied with friends and getting out more it helped alot. so again thank you to all of who responded it helped alot and im never touching that stuff again. a friend told me it affected me so hard because im a small girl im only around 5 ft tall and 110 ibs. so i guess that might be it, he said he did k2 but doesnt anymore and hes fine now. im hoping i’ll keep getting positive results from here on out and thank you all for the advice.

GORDON
11:53 am July 19th, 2012

Dear Hope
Remember that time way outside your daily life that you may use it as a shield against ever going back. The Lord has left writings to help us. I have also been to hell.

brian
10:10 am July 21st, 2012

this doesnt make you die they dont really even know what the long term effects are for the stuff it is harmful tho i tripped out the first time i did it but was fine all the other times

Against synthetic weed
9:18 am July 23rd, 2012

Ok I move my girlfriend in a few weeks ago, I knew she smoked synthetic weed what I didn’t know was how much. She’s addicted!!
She was smoking roughly 4 grams per day hitting it all day long (expensive). Being stoned in front of her kid. Long story short, She ran out of synthetic weed and called some guy up to come to my house to get high while I was at work. I found out and ended our relationship, told her to move out. Wonder if the 4 bucks of synthetic weed or the 15 minute high was worth losing everything? Synthetic weed is dangerous it’s stronger than natural weed because the companies making it want you addicted period.

Tom Henson
1:27 am July 24th, 2012

I’m glad I found this site, but I bet my story is going to sound the MOST pathetic, I’m probably the most ignorant of the bunch because I am 47 yrs old, have smoked pot almost my whole life, but I have back and neck issues, so I am in pain management and have to be on Methadone 80mg a day, I am terrified because I know I cannot be on this forever and it is nearly impossible to get off, I did it once in 05 and it damn near killed me, I went through withdrawls for 3 solid months straight!! So now I’m still on them, and get drug tested at my dr.’s office, so I started smoking Spice, and as you can imagine, there couldn’t be 2 worse things to be addicted to. I do this secretly as my wife doesn’t know that I smoke this, she just thinks I’m smoking my cigars, I also have triplet teenage boys who are getting suspicious. Now Ive been smoking this for about a year now, and I’ve recently developed a very wet cough, and I don’t smoke cigarettes, so I am scared that I have done some major damage, and sometimes I forget that I in 2005 I had a Pulminary Embolism, how I got it is beyond me, I only smoked pot at the time. But folks, I feel I am dying, and I’m too stupid to stop, I know I will, but I don’t want to be forced to stop because of a near death experience, I feel ashamed of myself because I’m destroying Gods temple and I’m being deceitful to my wife, there are many times I’ve walked inside from the porch barely able to walk straight, KNOWING that she knows, if she asks one question, I’m done because I don’t talk the same, I go through this ritual everyday after I get home from work, and I KNOW there is an ending to this, I just fear that I’m going down the sad ending. I need help in the worst way, because of this who healthcare crap being shoved down our throats, my company has dropped everyones insurance and I’m left in the cold with several issues at one time and I totally feel all alone, I would LOVE to find a group of people I can talk to and share my fears in hopes that someone can throw me a lifesaver. God bless all of you and thanks for listening.

Tracey
3:15 pm July 24th, 2012

@ Tom, My husband is 40 and has many of the same issues!! Has always been a hard worker, and has had spine surgery!

He started smoking Spice for the same reasons, he couldn’t smoke weed due to his job, so when he came across spice he thought he has solved his problems! Wrong, our life went DOWN hill during the 10-12 months he smoked Spice.

He hasn’t smoked in months, but has issues with anger, and also Flem in his throat and a mild cough! I also fear he did permanent damage to his Brain & Lungs!!

You can get off of this stuff, you have too not only do it for your wife & boys, but for yourself! Take it one day a time, and you can always reach out to a support group!

Good Luck to You!!

jake tipps
3:31 pm July 24th, 2012

i smoke homemade space and space from the store almost every day. and i smoke way more than a gram a day. at least 5 and i am addicted… and i can tell that it is destroying my body..

but i cant stop.

also i have seen people and known people to have seizures from this.

GORDON
10:25 pm July 24th, 2012

jake tipps
Find someone thats not using and cares for you, you have to reach out for support. I know it’s very hard to do but for me it’s your only option. Trust me you will get thru!
Gordon

Jaseeka1986
6:41 am July 25th, 2012

@Tom Henson I did the same thing. (Smoking this stuff) I’ve since quit because I almost died. It was so terrifying I quit that day & haven’t done it since. And I smoked everyday all day(besides working 8 hr. days..even during work @ my break like an idiot) for 6 1/2 months. I also take Methadone, which is the reason I picked this poison up, to not get caught & thought I’d found a loophole to smoke pot again. WRONG, this is nothing like pot whatsoever. Pot is life in a bag, this is.. the opposite. We’re here for you, go to the other forums about this poison & read my other posts & see if you can relate to the feelings & symptoms, I wrote all while quitting plus the 2 months I was completely insane after quitting because the poison did damage to my brain. The other forums are: “Smoking Herbal Incense Effects” & “Spice Synthetic Marijuana Side Effects”. You will get such great advice there. many of us have quit & have been through it just like you’re going through. I’ve got to get rest for work in the morning but will be on regularly, but let me tell you one thing before I go. Tom, it got so bad after the incident where I had the brain injury from this stuff, that I could’ve literally THROWN my Methadone & cigarettes out the window because I couldn’t feel them anymore. It was insane(the withdraws are that insane), I only kept doing both because I wanted to keep some normalcy in my life, and thought if I stopped taking my Methadone it might even be worse than it was then, and I couldn’t take anything worse than that. Your body goes crazy, mentally & physically. I’m telling you this because the sooner you get off the easier the withdraws will be. The withdraws are JUST LIKE getting of painkillers – everything except for diarrhea, I couldn’t go to the bathroom at all! TMI I know(my muscles wouldn’t work..scary..), but my nervous system, motor skills & unconscious bodily functions(Heartbeat, bowel movement, breathing, mind-over-matter) all got out-of-whack. Which I’m sure you recognize this from ever trying to quit opiates before. The hot/cold sweat, bodily functions out-of-whack, the emotions being all over the place, insomnia, general fatigue & restlessness, complete nausea & aches & pains, all a result of detoxing from this garbage. It’s the closest thing I’ve ever withdrew(detoxed) from that came this close to opiates during withdraw. Inexplicable how this poison can be so close to opiates during detox, completely different chemical make-ups – I guess both are just really, really bad for you! that’s all they’ve got in common, both our bodies consider poison.. I feel great now, I really do, so it’s SO worth it. If you’d told me 3 months ago I’d be able to laugh & feel good physically I would hands down not believe you & call you a liar. You must stop playing Russian Roulette. These people put God knows what into it nowadays it’s more like a traveling Meth-lab worker is making it. They’re the same type of people doing it now & it’s the same concept as making meth – stay one step ahead of law enforcement with a new drug that replaces the last. Exactly what law enforcement is battling this crap & meth with. well, I’ve got to go to sleep, but I hope you’re doing ok. There are many great people on here to help & share their stories & be helpful to one another. This forum saved my life, so I want to help & be there for as many people as possible now. God Bless, Tom. God Bless, Everyone! -Jessica

Jaseeka1986
6:42 am July 25th, 2012

@Tom Henson I meant Forums here on this website, FYI. :) God Bless & stay strong everyone, -Jessica

Tom Henson
12:28 pm July 25th, 2012

Thank you so much Jaseeka1986 for the well wishes, I’m going to try and kick this thing, I have to!

tom h
5:14 pm July 25th, 2012

I’m at work now and have about 20 minutes to write this, I really appreciate the help by explaining your stories, I can’t pinpoint why it helps, but I do see some major value in having others to share your dilemma with. It’s all pretty scary, especially Jaseeka and Tracy’s accounts. To think that I could have permanent brain and lung damage is surreal to say the least. I feel ashamed because even after I wrote that piece, requesting help….I went out again last night and indulged like I normally do, I’ve been careful not to take too many hits, which when that happens, it usually is followed up by pleas to God to please let me survive this, it’s CRAZY! I thought when I first started doing this stuff, an incident I had was surely going to be the end of it, but here I am, still stuffing my tobacco pipe wondering if it will be my last hit, but one day after work, I was getting ready for that long drive home (about an hour), so I happen to have some on me that day, it was thundering and raining sideways and I thought, hey it’s Friday, I gotta a nice long weekend a head of me, how about I take some hits for the ride home (like I’ve done a thousand times with pot), well there’s a huge Bay that I have to cross everyday (Tampa Bay) and I took 2 maybe 3 massive hits as I’m approaching this bridge, now I’ve not gone through any bad trips before this…….right at the cusp of getting on the bridge, it suddenly hit me like a ton of bricks in the face, I got so warped and I’d never been “there” before with this stuff, and I started viewing myself in 3rd person view, I thought I cannot drive on a major bridge in a metropolitan area like a freakin’ video game, my back felt like the devil was clutching my spine and I felt like I was going to die by auto accident, I could not do this, so amazingly I slid onto the emergency lane, and cars were flying so close to me, I could feel the wind sheer move my car as they passed, all the while I was promising God that if he got me out of that situation, that I would NEVER do that again……well, I did manage to get my shit together, freaked out about what unbelievable position I put myself in, I almost died senselessly, I thought this stuff is evil, and I thought I’d never do it again, and somehow I guess it just wasn’t enough to stop, and I am the biggest idiot as I had a golden opportunity to learn my lesson, NOW I feel the lesson will not be so gracious, I’ve had some trippy moments, but it’s all been from my chair on my porch, but just as scary stuff. The other night I had a trip that I was in the hospital because of my cough and the dr told me because of my smoking of this stuff, he said you’ve destroyed the cells in your lungs and there’s nothing we can do, your time is now limited, I just remember the finality of it all and it was horrible, it seems everytime I do this, it exploits all the negative things about me, like after 47 years, this is what I’m reduced to…getting high on my porch-killing myself in the most unsophisticated way possible? Now I hear about these massive withdraws, this scares the daylights out of me, and I’m hoping my Methadone can offset the symptoms of withdraws as it is very effective for some heavy drugs like heroine, if I have to go through that while having to deal with the same thing on Methadone (which is the WORST of ALL drugs to come off PERIOD) I know I would not survive it, I went cold turkey in ’05, I lived alone at the time and it took 3 whole months to finally end that misery, and to think this Spice stuff is just as bad is unbelievable. I hate that I put myself in this position, all in the name of getting high, how pathetic is that? I have an addicted personality, and can’t seem to not mix everything I do (except work) with something for the head, only I’ve now found something to kill the head……..God I need help-sorry to sound so pathetic. I’d like to thank those who reached out to me, I REALLY appreciate it like you don’t know!- Tom

Mike
10:05 pm July 25th, 2012

Here are the brands I’ve tried: Wolf Pack, Mind Eraser, Revolution, and Venom, with Venom by far being the worst, causing me to faint. This stuff is really scary, causing my heart to beat fast and altering my breathing patterns- you can literally forget to take your next breath when smoking this stuff, your mind blanks out. I’m glad I found this blog because it’s opened my eyes to see that I’m not alone and that I need to quit. I’ve tried quitting before, flushing this crap down the toilet and all, yet the craving always comes back. I used to smoke marijuana but had to quit because of my job. My only option left is to get drunk if I want to free my mind and relax… although I wish had zero chemical dependency overall- I don’t really like getting drunk. I wish I could smoke marijuana, I used to write poetry and come up with romantic plans for my girlfriend… total opposite of synthetic weed. This stuff is poison. I’m throwing away the rest of my Wolf Pack bag now.

Bring on the withdrawal symptoms… let’s quit this.

BJ
5:43 am July 26th, 2012

i dont feel yet change on my health but im addicted for some month and that sucks ass even because all the money is being spent on this crap.

im out, i quit.
/at least i`ll try/

Brianna
6:23 am July 26th, 2012

Hi, I never post on sites but Its been nearly 2 months and the moments keep coming back to me, Im looking for an answer on what I experienced as Im scared to death- that those last moments were intact what death will be like.

I smoke pot occasionally for laughs with friends, this one night SPICE had been bought, I had the smallest cone. Within minutes I knew something was wrong, I went to lye down- this one sequence of moments- kept playing over and over, it felt like hours had past so I tried to stand up and brush of this sequence, I completely missed my feet on the floor slammed so hard onto the floor boards, jumped up and ran down the hall I was completely blinded but envisioned the front door was open – I wanted to run onto the street. THANK GOD the door was closed I threw my whole body with every ounce of force I had in me into the door- twice. My mind was telling me stop your hurting yourself but something in me could see myself walking the streets and needed to leaves the house. I could see one foot in front of the other it was just by memory I knew where to run in the house.

I was panicing so much for an ambulance no one would listen and kept saying synethetic weed can’t do this to you which made it worse- finally I had to start screaming Ill kill myself if you don’t get me to a hospital. I was taken to the nearest hospital- waiting in the wait room was possibly the worst thing ever- you trip out, think everyone is there talking about you-but thankfully those sequences had stopped.

The doctor said it will wear off go home and sleep- it was wierd- hearing it from him kind of helped and brought me back.

But that Sequence- continuous ‘look at someones face, look at the flowers on the mantel piece- someone would say something, id look at the wall then REPEAT over and over. Your mentally saying this can’t be right but everything was on pause repeat and if that is death- this is my biggest fear- if we die and this is the result Im scared.

The fact this stuff is available to kids looking for ‘legal fun’- Im an adult and couldn’t handle it what on earth would this do to a 13 year old.

Oscar44
1:21 am July 27th, 2012

Hi Jessica I was wondering if your still on here if you are please write back I’m 14 and need somebody to talk to it feels like I’m in a dream all the time and I’m wondering if I’ll ever get better? I pray every day that this will go away I made A horrible mistake and I just need no talk to some one whose been through all of this stupid crap I do not recommend to ANYBODY to ever do it it is horrible please write back thank you. Oscar.

GORDON
7:51 pm July 27th, 2012

Dear April Buchman and daughter,
Going to a detox facility does not give you a record, having a tag on your toe does. Slow death mentally is a real hard way to go, the damage of abuse of yourself leaves many scars on our life, and our families lives, and everyone we have ever contacted. If there is personal things that are being escaped from, meet them head on, yes it takes courage, but trust me you can’t run far enough to get away from yourself or your pain. My hand reaches out for both of you, I will do what I can for you.

GORDON
7:58 pm July 27th, 2012

Hey BJ,
First off, live in today and prepare for tommorow by doing your best today. Yesterday we have all done this or that or have been victims of our circumstances, forget the money, the people in this situation you have traveled with, and this way of life. It isn’t working, it’s never going to work, and your so called friends will find someone else to get over on. Get it right.

GORDON
8:58 pm July 27th, 2012

Some people who are good and have a chance to turn things around should pay a lot of attention to these good folks who are reaching out to help and more so to those who are trying to get help. This is so very sad, so tragic and so unnessescary. Lord deliver them from this curse.

Matt
9:16 pm July 27th, 2012

I’ve tried happy hour in the past. i really liked it was super addictive and while i did develop a cough, it went away after say a month of no use. Anyway I would like to add that the development of alternatives to marijuana legitimizes the marijuana market at the same time that it closely resembles what happened just before alcohol prohibition was overturned. While 12 deaths have been associated to synthetic marijuana, 500 deaths per year are associated with aspirin, but no one’s claiming we should make aspirin illegal just seems hypocritical to me.

alicia
6:47 am July 28th, 2012

What do I do with my husband after he has the most horrifying hallucinations of death….he had seizure like symptoms and collapsed. He only remembers the things he saw and all I could do was scream as he screamed and cried in horror. I am afraid to let him sleep…I keep staring at him….thankfully he is OK with the help of friends and my uncle….he drank water ate food…talking fine walking…..everything seems fine….I’m afraid to death right now….I can’t even think….is there anyone who can help me with positive things once the person is back to themselves if u can call it that……I will be up very late…..

joe
7:28 pm July 29th, 2012

I had a terrible experience a multitude of times but the last time was just absolutely terrible. I had smoked this stuff before with my friends it was usually a one hit then I am off the walls having so much fun so the next time I did it I decided to take 2 or 3 hits and it was terrible just absolutely terrible I kept asking my friend if I was dying and so I tried the best things possible to get out of it drinking lots of water playing the drums slowly and listening to slow music to try to get my heart beat in sync because I felt like I was running a marathon but my friend said my heart beat was regular. My ears were ringing and it felt like the noise was getting higher pitched and pulsing faster until it just reached a peak of head pain and all I could do was sit on the couch and almost cry. After that incident I thought it was just a one time bad high and so I tried it again but one hit. It wasn’t great but I was feeling pretty good so I continued to just take a hit for the next month maybe every 3 days (whenever I went to my friends house) and it was fine. One day we were up at his lake house and we decided to just get stupid all weekend with alchohol weed and synthetic. (Not all at the same time) so we smoked synthetic. Took one hit and felt good took maybe two or three more hits and I felt like I wasn’t even in the room with him ( we were sitting on the floor in one of his huge closets watching a movie because we didn’t want the smell in the room) I couldn’t focus on one thing for more than a couple seconds I questioned not just my life but life itself and the way it works I was freaking out so badly and whenever I looked at his face it was all hazy and blurred around the edges it felt better (almost back to reality) when I saw other things like the bedroom when I came out of the closet (no pun intended) and saw other people outside of the house it took me almost 20 just to combine words with objects in the room the symptoms were back from the first time I freaked but they were worse again my whole body was numb
and I didn’t even know how to pick up my soda cup. I went outside but I couldn’t stand it. I was sitting on the deck and it felt like everything I was doing and my friend was happening 30 times repeating itself stuff simple like him scratching his leg (btw he wasn’t freaking out) the birds chirping, me touching my ear, and me sitting up straight. Today we are going home and he wants to smoke it later so when we get home I am telling him straight up that I hate this stuff. I know its synthetic in general because I have tried over 6 kinds.

Adamn
11:58 pm July 29th, 2012

If people say this doesn’t affect you in a different way, they’re FULL OF IT. I accidentally smoked some last night thinking it was regular bud and it was terrible. It felt like I knew what dying would be like, that I had seen another side of life I won’t want to see ever again. People were like videos and I failed at conceiving time. Everything was pixelized around me and I kept on repeating “fart barf cunt” in my head over and over. I was proud of myself when I moved without throwing up. I thought I was six again and at this ass-hole chris’ house, a kid I THOUGHT was my friend when I was that age but he was a douche. I really felt the dearth of all things, all in one small room, and I never will do this stuff again. Of course, it was by ACCIDENT, so I will never smoke again I’m sure. This sucks knowing I’ve smoked it. I’m hoping I’ll be more than better within the week. In fact I’m sure I will, but screw ever trying it again. I’m DONE.

wade
1:24 am July 31st, 2012

I had the wrist trip on this stuff. A few months ago I smoked this out of a gravity bong clearing two gallons full of smoke and it was my first time to smoke anything that would get me high. After a few seconds I fell down and in the most lifeless voice I said I’m going to die call 911. They put me on the bed passed out not breathing begging me to wake up. I woke up and went crazy I got up and ran full speed trying to kill my friend for making me do that stuff. I crashed into the bookcase and sat down and passed out and what happened next was the biggest life changer I’ve ever experience d, I thought I died and went to hell. Not a fiery Biblical hell but just as bad. I was unable to move with no self identity. I felt the worst pain it was such an awful existence. I could hear millions cursing god or yelling for god to rescue them. It was unexplainable what I was seeing. I was being shown all the wrong doing s in my life but no with words or pictures but I just knew what I did and I had to accept it. My friend s said I was screaming the fire the fire the pain god please forgive my sins. But I don’t remember speaking for I was in too much pain to speak and there was no fire.I later awoke and threw up for hours. It’s been months and my mental still isn’t back.

Jack Burton
6:37 am July 31st, 2012

I have not read any responses yet. I just smoked this on Sunday.

I drove out of town with my younger brother, his friend and my girlfriend. I was not driving my car but my mothers vehicle. We stopped at my gf’s Aunt and Uncles place. Her Uncle is 61 and Nam veteran, and needless to say has smoked tons of week since he got back, to cope one would imagine.

Recently his works started random urine testing so he needed to find an alternative to weed so he would not have THC in his system come testing time. Enter “The Mix” complete with “100% organic” and “not for human consumtion” stamped on the bag that was void of ingredients. He was smoking it with out a care in the world and was fine, so we all passed the pipe around, my girlfriend didnt feel much, my brothers friend got a buzz, but brother said he felt body high.

It got weird with me. My gf’s aunt said it will be really intense then wear off by the time you have had your beer. Well I have a very vivid imagination so I put some of this down to that.

I took a small hoot, passed the pipe when it came back I did a really big one. After several mintues I felt it, I was like “wow, this is great, I am so high.” Initially I put the panic down to the fact that I had someone elses car, my younger brother and his friend, I had to drive back to town and we had not even started our day yet. After reading this I am having second thoughts.

After I started to relaize the high was very trong I started panicing, my heart rate stared going up, and my body was tense, after a while of this I started really getting stressed. I was looking around at everyone and I felt very paranoid like they were plotting or scrutinizing me. I felt hyper aware, and was paying attention to smal sounds, but couldn’t get a straight train of thought. I felt so wasted I couldnt even reach across the table to get my drink so I just sat there. I felt like a prisoner in a deck chair.

My imaginationwas running wild and I felt forced to take short breaths, because I imagines I hate tachometer (RPM gauge) attatched to me heart and lungs and the deaper I breathed the higher my rmps went, fucked up right, I like cars I think this is where this came from. Needless to say I imagined an engine roaring and that made my anxiety far worse so I continued with shallow breaths. I contuinued with the paranoia but couldnt get a grip of myself.

I went to get up and move and I felt like my bones were made of jelly, I was also shaking vigorously. I decided it was time to say something.

I was trying to vocalize my concerns with being this messed up it felt like noone was listening and I couldn’t find the right words to use, so I opted to do the childish thing and get my girlfriends attention and start crying. She helped my up and out of the back year ut I had trouble moving and I got a new level of paranoia that thuis had brought on some nuerological disease. (No logic there I know).

It was a bright summers day but I could not keep my eyes open because it was too bright, even when I did open them I seemed to have no bearing on reality and the world around me, it felt like I was in Sims 2 for godsake. I would look down the road to see an edless sidewalk and stretch of grass and blue sky.

Eventually my gf talked me back and it all wore off. I was effected the hardest and longest out of the group and ti was terrifying. I did feel the “Oh my god Im not going to live through this” feeling throught the experience.

I know some people are going to say I made this up, nad call me names and say I have never smoke before and all that shit. However you can take it as you will, this is wha I experience two days ago, all of it. Like I said my imaignation is probably partly to blame.

I know I seems stupid saying this, but I am buyng some this week for myself and we will be doing this again on the weekend in a different setting, when I’m not out of town with my brother, in my mothers vehicle.

I will keep you all posted.

Cameron Butler
11:50 am July 31st, 2012

I’ve been smoking this with my cousins. It gave me a really bad fever. I got body aches. Nose bleeds too. Bad coughs as well. Don’t smoke that. Just puff on some REAL dank.

GORDON
5:57 pm July 31st, 2012

Wade,
That expeirience may always be with you, help others that are looking for it. Even though it was terrificley vivid and frightening it was a direct veiw of where you could be headed to some extent, if you take your health, mental state, and other blessings for granted. Why develope the concept that you are immune to disaster, anyone that messes with this and other harmful products is just playing roulette, the more you pull the trigger the better the odds are for disaster. People who say that weed is O.K. maybe in someways have a point but I know it robs you from your dreams, it’s very suttle and takes time to see all youv’ve let go bye until the day comes when you start getting the “I could have been preparing for life all this time” and now it may not be possible to catch up and be there for yourself and others like when your girl and you get married, maybe have some health issues or small children you have to say no to because you never worked hard enough or learned a good trade, or be able to save backup money because slowly you have spent it on escaping from your bad memories. Life is very real and often takes all we have to stay afloat. Please take care of yourself put a gameplan in place to be successful in your own eyes. Look at the people who have big family or health issues, be grateful for what you don’t have as well as what you do have.
Gordon

GORDON
6:06 pm July 31st, 2012

Adamn,
Did you think the people you were with were your friends, when it comes to drugs “Don’t Trust Anyone”. Anyone who would do that to you isn’t capable of being a friend to anyone! In this world there is Good and Evil and there is no fine line between them. I know this is difficult to fully believe and accept but it is the truth. Example: Our Lord and Satin. Best Wishes

GORDON
6:30 pm July 31st, 2012

Dear Alicia,
This isn’t what you bargained for, there is no excuse for a man to do this to himself let alone you. I don’t have all the answers but I do believe if you put up with this your life will be dreadfully harmed,you must tell him to hit the road and don’t look back.
The definition of being loyal doesn’t include someone else who isn’t carrying their part and putting this pain on you. Yes I have been saying “you” because his choices are not including your life and happiness. This is straight up about himself and only himself. We all know that we don’t have any controll over others actions so why in a way should we support this and let this to continue putting a hardship on you and your good family. Anyone that wants change needs to roll thier own sleeves up and stop putting it on others. The bottom line is so hard, being safe and having a good life is what we all want, it’s wrong to take this away from others.

Required?
4:38 am August 1st, 2012

I smoked this last night called down to earth at my friends house and had the worst experience of my life. i took a big hit and held it in for a while, and started to get higher and higher to the point where i was in a full out trip. like on salvia. my heart beat was racing to the point where i was afraid i might have a heart attack and die (i had also takin five 30mg adderall) at this moment its hard to put into words what i saw but everything would go 2D and then start spinning and going into patterns i heard a voice say “welcome to hell” and thats exactly what i would say i experienced because in this “other reality” i was in the whole time i experienced unimaginable horrar and mental tourture to the point were i didnt know if i would be mentally sane after. NO JOKE!!! i cannot even put into words how horrible of an experience this was it was only a couple of minutes but felt like an eternity!(no exageration, literally an eternity!) i have seen other posts where people have an experience eerily similar to mine. i dont think this is a coincidence and belive this to be “smokable EVIL” DO NOT DO IT!!! SMOKE THE REAL STUFF!!!

Jaseeka1986
5:29 am August 1st, 2012

@Oscar Hi! I still get on here regularly. So sorry it took me so long to write back! I can completely relate to what you’re going through, and I honestly described it the exact same way! It felt like I was in a bad dream all the time for about 2 months(It goes by quicker I promise, I’d smoked all day everyday for like 7 months, so it took me longer). Then I almost died so I had no option but to quit, but actually it was after I quit that I felt like I was in a bad dream. It really does get better, I swear it does. I really needed someone to tell me that & assure me that when I was going through the same thing. Everything’s going to be alright. It lasts like this for maybe a month to a month & a half. Maybe even shorter for you if you only smoked a couple of times, then I’d say a month at the most, you’d probably feel better by a week or 2 weeks. I am here for you, ok? Ever since I went through it practically alone I refuse to let anyone else do it, so if you need to ask any questions at all, feel free to. This forum saved my life, for sure. I’ve got many tips that helped me or would’ve helped. There are many great people on here that will help, too. I hope to hear from you soon & that you’re doing good, Be sure to watch good things on TV & internet, and eat healthy! Those will help SO much! Much, much love to you, -Jessica

Jaseeka1986
5:31 am August 1st, 2012

@Tom H. Hi, I’m glad to hear from you. I want to say that I can completely relate to you situation. To clarify, my incident where I last smoked was different than my other “bad” trips. This is why I stopped then but not the other times. This last time on March 4th, 2012 I’d been pushed to a mental breakdown & it was because this stuff had built up so much I guess, and that I’d had major stressers* in my life. I couldn’t handle any type of stress anymore because I couldn’t deal with it properly, and was just breaking down. I don’t want to scare you, though. So I did something terrible & completely out of character because I allowed a “friend” to put me in the worst situation possible. I couldn’t deal with what had happened so I smoked one last time, to feel “What normal was again”. I was on a permanent high from this stuff & just wanted to feel better again. So I smoked this last time & something unlike any other time happened. I wasn’t able to keep standing, felt & heard rushing water in my head, and my brain got very hot. This is the scariest part & what told me brain damage was taking place: I heard very loud crackling & thundering in my head. I even remember looking up into the sky to see what it was & it was a beautiful clear, blue sky & was very sunny. It hurt very badly, and I had to scream at my father to take me to the hospital. It was hard because he was high, too, and wasn’t “with it” & told me I was just freaking. Long story short he just didn’t want to get in trouble. Shame I could’ve & almost died because he was high & didn’t want to get in trouble. Hence why I yelled at him. I won’t get any more into it just needless to say a very unpleasant experience at the hospital where they treated me like I was crazy & a legal mental evaluation was completed in my hospital bed with a Charter Ridge worker. It was all extremely insulting since they knew what was going on & my father being f-g high & not acting as this was not normal behavior from me I’m sure made them wonder. So this is how I relate to your wondering of why you haven’t quit despite many scary incidents. I literally HAD to quit because my brain hurt so badly & if I did again I surely would’ve suffered even more painful experiences. There’s a difference with scary and painful. We can’t talk ourselves out of painful. It honestly did scare me & still does. I’ve been close to dying 3 times in my life & I’m only 25 yrs. old. The first time I was tripping on Coriciden Cough & Cold & it was a little scary(would’ve been more if I hadn’t been mostly out of it), and the second time I can’t remember but bits & pieces. but this last one I just told you about was terrifying to say the least, because I was completely aware of everything but out of control of things. I just wanted you to know so you’d know you’re not alone, I kept using until this happened, but at the same time I was so far gone I had no idea it was the incense doing it to me. You at least have a “leg up” while dealing with this because you’re now aware of what this stuff is doing. Do you feel like you’re dying a lot? Even when sober? Do you think of death constantly? What about fast heart-beats or chest pain, thinking negatively 24-7 & worthless? This poison is the culprit, so don’t think for one second this is your normal thinking pattern. I remember in a post saying “I used to be sunshine, now I’m cloudy.” There is so much hope, Tom. I think you should cut down little by little (and if you only smoke a couple of hits a day that should make a major difference). I usually don’t recommend this, I usually say to quit cold-turkey because the sooner the better & this stuff builds up in your system so it doesn’t really matter if you cut down, but this may be a little different because you’re not losing it even while sober, when it gets to that point you must stop immediately. I recommend getting some pot, honestly. If you’ve got pot you’ve got something healthy to replace this poison with. Marijuana won’t work as well at first because this stuff “super-glues” to your THC receptors & renders them not as viable as before, it’s like you’ve got to give them time to re-cooperate* or get this stuff out of your system more so they’ll work better. The pot will work for helping with the withdrawing massively. It’ll help physically with the eating, sleeping, pain and emotional detoxing off this stuff. It’ll help mentally with the emotions & the mental aspects of having something to use or do to replace the poison(that’s just what it is). If you’d like another scare-tactic that may help in quitting this stuff(lol, I know I’m full of them..)you should go to rc-supply.net & take a look at what they’re selling to make this stuff with. Then google the ingredients & you’ll be astounded. They’ve all got the skull & crossbones placard that represent them. But some good advice I can give you is to watch good, positive things on the internet & TV while detoxing. Stay busy if possible, rest as much as possible, take it easy & EAT HEALTHY – that is a big one, which is why I capitalize it. This stuff makes you not eat or hungry at all, so many of us lose inordinate amounts of weight. I got down to 98 lbs. & am now 116lbs.(just weighed myself at the office yesterday). I wasn’t eating anything! And had no idea I was missing meals or losing such weight. Eating was just cut out of my routine. That’s another reason why I think you’re doing well at this point, because you have seen these types of things, you know something’s wrong. I was so gone I was defending this stuff while it was killing me & driving me crazy. I honestly thank God everyday & every chance I get that I’m sane, now. Once you’ve felt insanity even while sober, that’s something you’ll never forget. It was like a bad dream, or like I was in the clouds or in a fog 24/7. I can’t explain it properly, but I don’t ever want to experience this again. You’re not at this point yet so you’ve got such a great chance. But anyway, eat healthily. Take this opportunity to become healthy, direct all your energy to doing this & only smoking pot if you have/want to get high. I believe there’s nothing wrong with getting high! Even after all I’ve been through I feel this way. If I’d stuck with pot I wouldn’t be in this position/have gone through this. Life can be hard & God gave us marijuana for a reason. Did you know that Hemp oil supposedly cures Cancer? There’s a documentary called “Run from the Cure” you should see. I’m planning to see it. I’ve seen videos giving advice from that documentary. Taking half a grain of rice amount orally, daily is supposed to help your Cancer immensely & any other ailments. THC slows cell development so this makes sense. While getting older many would find this helpful/applicable :). So don’t buy propaganda about pot being harmful or wrong. That’s people with monetary gains at stake or just people who are idiots who obviously have never tried this medicine before. As I said earlier, Marijuana is life in a bag & this stuff is the opposite. One last thing, the major reason besides obvious ones why you should start eating healthy is that it helps your brain while detoxing this junk, it helps you so much in so many ways. Makes you feel better everyday & helps battle anything in your body that shouldn’t be there. Also, unhealthy food weighs the brain & body down, making it harder or slower to detox. God Bless, Tom. I hope this info helps at all. Stay strong & you’ll do great getting through this chapter(more like a mini-chapter :)) Hope to hear from you soon concerning your progress or how you’re doing! God Bless,
-Jessica

EZMac
7:24 am August 1st, 2012

Hello, all. My name’s Edward and today marks my sixth day off of Spice. My brand of choice was BrainFreeze. I smoked it solidly for about two months with no ill effects. That is until last Thursday. I was with a good friend of mine who also smoked spice. I’d noticed, as had he, that our heart rate would increase for the duration of our high, but we’d not thought much of it. Well, that was exactly what started to go wrong for me. I had a small hit and found myself able to watch my heartbeat through my teeshirt. Then I felt a creeping tingle along my left arm. I sat down and took a many deep breaths and calmed myself, though I dreaded my girlfriend would come home to learn I’d fallen dead in front of my friend at home. THAT is what made me stop smoking this wicked stuff, I realized how much she means to me, and some fake cannabis is not worth putting her through that. No high is.

Anyways, that horrid mess was six days ago. Day one, I felt fatigue, and vomited once. Day two was hellish, I couldn’t get out of bed, my heart has started palpitating, and I broke out in sweat at the slightest temperature change. Day three was better than both day one and two, but sweats and heart palpitations remain. Day four and five were much the same, and day six has only gotten easier. The palpitations seem to be lessening, and the sluggishness and pains and sweating seem to also be gradually fading away.

I strongly urge people to not do this. It’s synthetic, unstable, unstudied, and poisonous. If you have to get your kicks, do it the natural way.

EZMac
7:25 am August 1st, 2012

Also, I forgot to add, my buddy stopped smoking too, he’s on day three now.

Justin
12:45 pm August 1st, 2012

I was getting spice daily and smoking an average of six grams a day. I had a blast! Fun doing nothing and the death experiences were super fun for me. I vividly remember that death was just about to happen with knife like destruction to my chest especially my heart I was uncomfortable at first but I learned to expect it and found it desirable. The worst thing about spice is addictive and huge appetite increase I would eat till I threw up and maybe eat more. I love to bike play games be highly creative I just don’t like running out at 2am and waitng for the shop to open. Oh yeah I never called it spice either but witch hazel. So I would witch up, sing, whistle, rap, smoke fools on cod3, eat, laugh, ride my bicycle, work. I dont fear death we all gotta go and I will not be terrified on my way out. Love life fam and friends but I ain’t afraid of no death honestly I would fear birth more maybe that’s why I had so much fun I will never forget my witch hazling days ever and what’s truly remarkable my desire to not smoke it or weed because I just wanted some consistency with me. That and the shops distributor was apparently raided and has not had any in like 10 days so I was forced to stop and am over it. Easier said however as I said additive so a few tossing nights, no appetite, irratibilty, ah now I’m just human again waitng for death but I still will enjoy myself on the rock mass wacko thing everyone calls earth

Against Synthetic Weed
7:31 pm August 1st, 2012

I read these stories and wonder why this stuff is being allowed for sale in the stores. As for an update on my previous posting, the now ex girlfriend says she quit smoking synthetic weed , she coughs almost non stop in the morning and sporadically throughout the day. I wnder if she damaged her lungs? Honestly I believe there are a lot of psychological behaviors linked to weed / synthetic weed such as short attention span hence getting restless and bored causing one to run around aimlessly. Real weed probably at least psychologically addictive, Synthetic weed is a chemical high and is highly addictive.

Jaseeka1986
7:26 am August 2nd, 2012

@Justin I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about. That’s a little out there. I love to have fun, but seriously, take life serious, as far as we know we only get one. I am no buzzkill, I love smoking weed & it’s never hurt anyone, just saying. I’m really weirded out by that comment of yours…

Jaseeka1986
7:31 am August 2nd, 2012

@Required?(You can make up a name as you did :)) Hi, “Smokable Evil” is right! I am so glad you didn’t die, because on FIVE 30mg Adderral(I’m no lightweight, but I might’ve keeled from that alone! I only did 2 at the most when I was younger) plus the Evil smoke, that’s enough to kill many a user. Thank goodness you’re ok, though & will never try it again. I can’t get over the combo you did, Some people die from either one of those things alone, so you’re very lucky, I think you know this already, though. God Bless & Stay positive & loving ;) -Jessica

mary ashley
8:00 am August 2nd, 2012

who ever it. was who decided tht this.ws a good idea to sell have totally ruined not my life and my fmilies as well. i just week ago i was living out my drem the same dream my father had.put evey red scent he could scrape up. at 8 yrs of age my father saidvi was mu destiny to be a singer. he was a vetern, he had much pain abd he found marijuana to help him but the v.a. piss test and he would be in alot of trouble if found out to be smoking marijuana. my father s cousin was visiting and she brought that evil w heshe insisted that it had been deemed safe and she n my daddy smoked. you see that ne morning i was to leave to go on the road.w my bnd for thw first time out west . daddyalways told me he wouldnt leave this earth till he saw me married happily with my own familyand sining infront of hundreds. that morning my husband my one yr old and myself woke to poundinh on ourdoor. thinkinmy parents were early my husband opend the door .. came back into our room and said baby u have to get up your daddy died. his heart.. the worst moment of my life well. my mom swears it was that.bmy cousin who brought it to my daddys stayed that day and helped me and mom get the funneral home and policereports

GORDON
2:39 pm August 2nd, 2012

Dear Justin,
I have been working on my PH levels, this has exposed me to a ton of information about getting toxins out of our systems, clearing up the mind and memory issues, digestion and helping with our breathing. I had no idea that poor PH levels affected so much. I’m not affraid of dying either, I have been thru so much in life and faced death more than once that I just react to survive, including heading straight at it to prevail. I humbley suggest that you go after your lifes pains and deal with them head-on crush these negative expieriences by setting an example, the strongest way to help yourself and those around you is to succede and set an example. Be a champion, focus on what’s really good for you, make yourself strong in health, and mind. Study a martial art the results of non-violience and solving inner and outer conflicts will come clear to you in time. God is with you, beleive it or not.
Gordon

Stacie
6:16 pm August 2nd, 2012

I am only 14 and the other day, me and my friends were hanging out. They have both done synthetic, and real weed. But I have only smoked cigarettes. So we decided to smoke some synthetic, and it was my first time so I only did 3 hits and I was loopy as hell. The whole world was spinning, and I thought I was dead, and I thought everyone was fake. I saw myself as a cartoon, or a movie. I couldn’t feel anything unless it touched me. I saw like blinking, like dizzy for hours, like in the very beginning of Twilight with the deer. I have no idea what I did though. but they said that I was being a spazz. and apparently my dad drove by and I yelled a bunch of crap at him. My parents said nothing when I came home. I think it was actually pretty fun, but I probably wont do synthetic ever again. I’m gonna try weed though. And I think that synthetic should not be sold, and people should not try it. If I wasnt with my friends I probably would have jumped off of a building.

EZMac
9:19 pm August 2nd, 2012

Hey all! Just figured I’d give you folks an update. Today’s day 7, one week since I stopped smoking spice. My heart palpitations are fewer and fewer, today I’ve yet to have one episode of them. I’m feeling more like myself, I can get up and function around the house. So far, so good. I’ll keep updating as time goes by until my withdrawals are completely over, at the very least to help others getting off of Spice know what they’re in for.

I want to thank all of you for posting your own stories, information, and experiences. This site’s shown me that the long, hard road out of hell is worth the hike.

ctk
8:13 am August 3rd, 2012

I had an interesting experience on k2. its a new blend. iv been an on and off smoker of this stuff for about a year now. iv had periods of time where i havent touched the stuff for months. and sometimes i have it everyday. Honestly, i would really only smoke the stuff to pass the time when bored. if i have work on or something, il flag it till a time when iv got stuff all on. but last night i can‘t describe the sheer terror i felt after taking two hits of this new stuff. what was intended to be a quiet night on the video games turned into complete and utter hell. i mean, think of every horror movie you‘ve ever seen, and then imagine it playing out right in front of you. feeling as though your fate laid in the hands of the very darkness that surrounds you. unreal il say that. Eventually i snapped out of it, after having one hell of a good spew. Skyrim eased me into a much needed sleep. looking back, this shit is no good. something that makes you question your very mortality in such a dark and terrifying manner should not be legal. i cn say that iv been hooked bad on this stuff at points..it is getting better though. im down to maybe a pinch or two a day..which is a far cry from what i used to smoke at times. and im slowly reducing the amount i smoke and increasing the time in between. the classic ‘tier‘ method. i can tell you that there is hope, and a way through. ive found that keeping yourself occupied, eating well, maintaining good hydration and surrounding yourself with those who care, are a good way to start. you need to want to quit too. Its no use sitting there being like “im gonna quit im gonna quit“ but not really knowing why. me? i like my brain, i miss the days where i could honestly say i dont need any extra shit to complete me. Haha now im rambling. to those stuck on this shit, game face on and get off it. there are many ways to skin a cat, and there are many ways to kick this habit. the tier method is working for me, it may for you. maybe jus kicking it cold turkey is what you need. Who knows. but i already feel as though coming clean is within grasp. it all depends on you. to those who have yet to try this , DO NOT DO IT TO YOURSELF. STAY AWAY FROM IT. THERE CAN BE NO GOOD GAINED FROM IT. TAKE MY WORDS AND THE WORDS AND STRUGGLES OF ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN THERE. YOU DONT WANT TO DO IT.

Justin
2:09 pm August 3rd, 2012

By taking life serious do you mean the big picture of unity and balance of our earths human race for a peaceful progressive existence which most deem impossible? Do you mean i should create arguable shades of grey on which recreational drug’s side effects are tolerable? Perhaps you should take life more seriously like Justin ( me). Weirded out? Well what “weirds” me out is I exist. Seriously. Jaseeka what’s your purpose on earth? Does it bother you that I have reckless fun? I see you are Christian are you judging me? Pray for me. Please also help irriaticate hunger, disease, and war amongst ourselves. There’s three parts to realization, untill you realize that you realize nothing – Justin

EZMac
4:27 am August 4th, 2012

Howdy again, all! Day 8, and things are just getting closer and closer to normal. The palpitations have all but stopped, the last of the body pain is slipping away, no nausea, no chills or fevers, no lack of breath, etc.

Basically, I’m getting healthy again. Now, the results might vary from person to person. I was a 1 gram a day smoker for roughly two months. I’ve been eating lots of leafy greens and fruits and drinking lots of green tea, as well as taking multiple showers throughout the day.

Jaseeka1986
9:17 am August 4th, 2012

@Justin I apologize if I was rude, I just really didn’t understand your comment. The subsequent one was a little clearer, but no need to attack me. My purpose on this Earth is to try to help others. I went through this & almost died, and want to help anyone I can to get through this. Your comment to me made me sad, I don’t like being attacked. Please spread love. Me being Christian has nothing to do with this. And don’t assume I am Christian, I’ve been studying Santana Dharma & trying to study the Vedas lately, so I’d say many would say that’s un-Chritianlike, so because i say God bless don’t box me in, please. We’re all on this journey. but DON’T talk about “good times” you had on this poison. It’s poison & address it as such. Do not misinform people into thinking it’ll be fun when they CAN DIE. I almost did. You’ll never hear me talk about the fun times I had, because this POISON almost killed me. You may enjoy DEATH but I don’t. People who murder people are on another level of Evil, I almost died & it was the most terrifying experience of my life which I will never forget(Was just at work on break today & had a flashback of almost dying & thought about how scared I was & how people who inflict that fear on others are Evil). This poison did it to me. Again, don’t do that whole “You’re christian don’t judge me” thing, not just Christians shouldn’t judge NO ONE should. Please follow your own advice. I do have love for everyone & I will say I’m sorry if I offended you, it may’ve been not long ago that you quit & still have a bit of psychosis like I did after quitting, so if that’s the case, too, I apologize. Just throw love out there. I have every right to give good advice such as “Everyone should love each other”. God Bless & I hope you feel better. -Jessica

Jaseeka1986
9:22 am August 4th, 2012

@Justin You can do whatever you want(as to your comment of having “reckless fun”) but when you drag others into it on a support forum for people affected by this poison, that’s wrong. Do whatever you want, but don’t misinform others into thinking it’s at all safe. Many here know first hand it’s not & I’m sure will call you on it. I hope you have a great life, we should all think about what we’re saying & how it can affect others in life, before we speak, especially when writing it, you can always proof-read it! Proof-reading is an opportunity to take back something you feel you shouldn’t have said, we don’t get that chance when verbalizing. God Bless.

GORDON
3:01 pm August 4th, 2012

Dear Jaseeka1986,
Trying to help others out of what you know can be so very painful and is hardly an easy task. Many times we may feel very hurt and disrecspected. If I have helped one person to have a better life I am grateful and have had to endure the pain and scars left by people who don’t believe they really do have a problem or regect the obvious truth. Are we always correct with our approach, probably not, but we have been blessed with the gift of desperation not everyone has YET!
Sometimes to keep on in life we are forced get up from this shake ourselves off and keep going. Be who you are, give back your knowlege it’s a responsabilty to those who helped you.
Your Friend,
Gordon

jeff
6:55 pm August 4th, 2012

hi i’m jeff and i’m 16 years of age. i’ve smoked synthetic marijuana for a good 8 months to a year. i quit a couple months ago and now im seeing alot of changes to my body. the skin on my hand keeps peeling off. my appetite is really messed up. i use to be able to eat whenever, now i eat very little. whenever i try to do activities i feel like im going to pass out even though i drink a gallon of water a day. i feel really messed up and i thought i was going to die multiple times already. i feel messed up. NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS.

jay
5:44 am August 5th, 2012

I tried this stuff, only took 3 hits and it only took 30 seconds to take effect i first felt dizzy and felt like i was vibrating, i stood up and couldnt stop moving back and forth, the room was like sideways or something and i just kept thinking weird stuf and ecerything felt like a dream when i was done i felt like the time flew by fast…. Later that day we went fishing and i took a few hits but nothing happened but later That same niht i took 3 huge hits out of my friends bong not knowing what it was and when i looked at him i was like oh shit was that the climax and he said yeah, i couldnt lay down. I looked at my friend and got scared because i didnt know who he was or where i was at, everything was dizzy again and i felt like i was sitting down watching my friend laugh at me through a tv?, he looked like a monkey too. It was crazy idk if i would try it again

Ed Navrez
8:21 am August 5th, 2012

I’ve never tried spice before. I also havent smoked weed in 10 years. My father tried spice for the first time tonight and took one hit. He had an immediate sense of euphoria and within 10 mintues, he fell into a sleep mode while sitting in his chair. He started to moan and groan as if he started hallucinate and as this was happening he began to urinate on himself. A grown man urinating himself and hallucinate. He has tried all types of drugs and I know he can control himself but this spice stuff gave him an uncontrollable high. Scarry stuff man. I will have to pass on spice.

Ed Navrez
8:24 am August 5th, 2012

I carried him upstairs into his room and threw a cold wash cloth around his neck. He’ll be alright. Nonetheless, spice is not welcome around me.

Concerned Mom
3:30 pm August 5th, 2012

Jeff, you need to tell your parents about the spice you’ve taken now. You don’t know the long-term effects it could have on your body and mind. Please. My son took spice about 20 times over the course of a year. He lived with my ex-husband-I had no idea. Several months ago, he had a psycotic break and was institutionalized in a mental institution. After a month is a state hospital, he moved in with me and held a full-time job and took a class at a community college. Even though he had not taken spice for several months, the psychosis appeared again and he was readmitted. I live in hell everyday. I feel as if I’ve lost my son-he is not the loving, sweet, great kid he was in the past. I AM BEGGING YOU TO PLEASE TELL YOUR PARENTS, AN OLDER SIBLING, AN ADULT YOUR TRUST OR SOMEONE AT YOUR SCHOOL! This drug can kill you Jeff.

Rachel
12:19 am August 6th, 2012

My brother and I bought 5 grams of that legal devil stuff to celebrate my 18th birthday. I’ve smoked weed a few times and never gotten super high. We went to a park and shared a single bowl. I had two hits and almost immediately took off. I started laughing uncontrollably, my vision blurred around the edges, and I thought “wow, this is gonna be fun.” But after that it turned into a NIGHTMARE. I started laughing and crying uncontrollably and the trees and surrounding area started to, well, jump. I couldn’t focus on anything and my eyesight was pulsing in and out fast. I’m not exactly sure what happened but everything went crazy and I struggled to escape from the nightmarish fear that I was going to die. My thoughts were racing and I could feel my blood pounding in my neck. In the distance I could hear my brother saying “just go to sleep dude, I know where you’re at right now and you need to try to sleep” over and over again. I looked over at him and his eyes were flourescent. I was so scared. I thought I was going to die. It was worse than any nightmare I’ve ever had, and I’ve had some pretty vivid and frightening nightmares. I struggled to lie down and close my eyes and focus on my breathing. Afterwards, my brother told me that I had been laughing and crying and rolling around on the ground. I asked him how long it had been, and he said about 10 minutes. It felt like hours had passed. My brother told me that was a normal reaction- that I was just really, really high. Even if that’s true, I don’t think I’ll be doing it again anytime soon.

Jaseeka1986
4:25 am August 6th, 2012

@Jeff I am SO glad you’ve quit. Let me say a couple of things. The fact you’ve been off this for 3 months is a great thing & I’ll tell you why I know this. I have been off this poison for around 5 months. It took me about 3 months to fully become completely normal again. I, too, went through the same thing you’re describing. I felt like I was dying over & over again after quitting. I would constantly think of death & that would get my heart rate going, so I would freak out more & think I was going to have a heart attack because I could no longer control or ignore(like my heartbeat) my unconscious bodily functions at that time. Here are a couple of milestones I hit, at one month I smiled for the first time, at 2 months I didn’t think of death anymore constantly or have suicidal or homicidal thoughts, which both scared me, at least I could recognize it was wrong. After that, at the 3 month point I could finally start to think correctly & be able to perform my job as I used to. I didn’t have that blank stare & completely blank thoughts. People would ask me questions at work & I couldn’t even think, I know they must’ve thought I was so stupid, which they knew me, though & knew I was very intelligent, I would just stare at them blankly & say, “Uhhhhh”. So my point is, I promise you things will be getting better very soon, Some people get better faster than others, I smoked longer than you, but maybe you smoked more at a time & overall, which would explain why you’re having symptoms I had in my second month in your third. So that may mean you’re just a month behind, which should mean you’re going to be having some major milestones soon & be completely better within a week or two at the most I’d say. I felt “messed up” as you said. The way I describe it to people is that I felt like I was in a bad dream, or it was as if I was underwater or my brain was cloudy or my thoughts were clouded. The cloud lifts, it honestly does. i know when people used to tell me this I would get upset, because at that point in time I couldn’t fathom things getting better ever. I didn’t think I’d ever be “right” again. You will be feeling better very soon. Eat fresh, unprocessed foods, organic, and I would suggest stop eating meat unless it’s locally raised without antibiotics, hormones or GMOs. The more natural the diet, the better. The processed & junk food just weighs down your mind, brain & body. The quicker you eat better the quicker you’ll start feeling better. Can you handle Klonopin? Or an anti-anxiety medication? I would suggest going to a doctor & telling them your symptoms, you don’t have to tell them what you smoked, I honestly wouldn’t unless you think you’re in danger of hurting yourself or others, because otherwise, if you’re not a danger & tell them what you smoked, they will not prescribe this to you even if it will help you exponentially, because they’ve seen you’ve got a “history of drug abuse”. Well, since I’d done major damage to my brain from this stuff & almost died, I was afraid to take my Klonopin, so I only took it after the 2 month point, I didn’t want to add anything I thought could be harmful to my brain after it’d already been injured as well as put anything unnatural into my body that affected my brain, too. but I credit the Klonopin of helping my “snap back into reality.” I only took it daily for at the most 3 weeks, then when I stopped I felt SO much better. I promise you will be feeling better very soon, every day, even though time seems to go by slow, it really does get better & better from the last. If you’ve got any questions about how I detoxed, or advice of any other sort, I’m here for you, ok? We’ve got a great support system here. The fact you found this website speaks greatly to your abilities & I’m SO proud of you for quitting, you saved yourself a lot of damage! At least we can both put together sentences & think at all, some people are not as lucky, and this I feel speaks to your ability to recuperate & think clearly. always remember, it’s the incense making you feel & think the way you are if it’s negative. This stuff makes you not love life, but as soon as it’s out of your system completely this will go away(which again, I believe will be extremely soon) & you’ll love life. Watch Good, funny things on the Internet & TV, that’s another one. If you enjoy “Family Guy” or funny cartoons like that I’d recommend watching them as much as possible. Do things that give you joy & contentment. Get back into your regular routine, You will be back to normal soon. Much, much love to you, Jeff, You are priceless, ok? Always remember this. God Bless, -Jessica

Jaseeka1986
4:28 am August 6th, 2012

@ Gordon Thank you so much for the inspirational words. We seem to think alike on this front. I once had a younger person on one of these forums call me an angel & said I’d save him from or at the very least postponed his suicide. He then talked to me a couple times after this & was doing SO much better than the first time we’d talked. If that’s the only thing I do, like you said, I know I’ve helped someone & can be happy. I appreciate how centered you are & am trying to work on this. This stuff has affected me & I say things I would’ve usually kept in my head before, but it’s getting better slowly, so once again, thank you for helping people & being there for everyone, you are doing a great job. God Bless, -Jessica :)

StillDamaged
4:36 am August 6th, 2012

January 29, 2012
My new years resolution for 2012 was to party hard. Recently I have given up my values of no drinking or drugs, and so tonight was just one of those nights. I was going to chill with my girl Ana and smoke a bowl. Little did I know that this action would influence the rest of my life. We were in the bathroom when she asked if I had ever smoked k2. I don’t know much about weed so I answered no and she said it was cool cuz the high only lasted about 45 minutes and doesn’t leave traces in your system. I was willing to give it a shot. It was completely normal while we were taking hits on the pipe. I only took about 3 and we decided to go watch a movie. The first few seconds into the movie I started tripping balls. I remember the guy had a tattoo of 4 lines on his arm, and then I remember being in the bathroom. How I got there I don’t recall. As I looked in the mirror I realized I was no longer in my right mind. At first I pretty much saw my shadow but it was swirling gray and black, everything in the background of the bathroom was completely normal it was only myself that was strange in the picture. I turned to face my friend who followed me to the bathroom, and as I looked at her I could still see all the details of the room and her speaking to me but everything was moving like your reflection in a funhouse mirror. I kept turning back to the mirror and back to her looking for answers and she just kept saying calm down. It felt as if I was reliving that moment for eternity. I would turn to her and say dude im tripping out, and everything would be like tunnel vision. There were a thousand of her behind her. My mind was in a panic and I could feel my body and heart racing. Then I would look back in the mirror then to her. It felt as if I was reliving that moment for eternity and this would be my life from now on. I was like a skipping cd that kept playing one part. If this was my life I no longer wanted any part of it. I kept trying to close my eyes and open them as if waking up from a dream except that wouldn’t work I kept waking up in that reality. So then I tried to evoke feeling to see if I was really awake. I remember looking to the mirror to comfirm my exsistance and I saw my reflection stick my hands inside my mouth and tear the flesh completely off my skull, like unzipped an outfit. My friend(who also smoked but was having a “weed-like” high) said we should get some fresh air and so we went to sit outside. I got lost in trance looking at the stairwell focused right in front of me. I could still hear my friend talking but I could not quit looking at the vortex. Again it was the only thing spinning while the other surroundings stay normal and still. And my vision had a weird glow on the outside of the picture. Like a television screen with the inner perimeter of the screen with a glowing border. She potisioned herself on the strairwell to try to keep me from tripping out worst but wouldnt you guess it made it worst. I saw her as physically as myself at age 5 but she had her voice and wisdom. She came to sit by me instead and kept touching my back. This helped for awhile because I had some grasp on the outside world through sense of feel. I remember telling her that she was my angel guiding me to the lights of heaven. I presumed myself as dead already and she walking me through my last moments of life. I didn’t see everything flash before my eyes but I felt great loss knowing this would be my last time in this world with those I love in it. She kept telling me I was alive and I thought the only way id know this would be to call my boyfriend who loves science and has researched hallucinations before. He didn’t answer which is very unlikely so I left him a recording of me describing what I felt like to ana. I then proceeded to text him. “I need you now wake me up! I’m tripping balls. Need help.” I then thought it was silly to text him because I was obviously dead so he’d never receive them. I then went inside to try to get some food in my system. In the most savage way I reached my hand into the cheez it box and shoved as much food in one bite I could get. I don’t eat like this normally so I went back to the assumption this wasn’t reality and spit the food everywhere. I saw my friend in the kitchen and had déjà vu back to a time when I had a nightmare about her trying to kill me with a knife. This is the exact frame that dream started in, her reaching into the skin. In fear, I bolted for the door and called the police. I ran up prince road with my friend trailing behind. I was scared of her and of everything going on so the only thought running through my head was how to get out of this dream? I either had to find my dead body so I may move on to the afterlife, or I have to die. I looked at oncoming cars and figured that may work. The police were still on the phone and kept me from doing that by sending a spotlight helicopter to find me. I just remember thinking “this would never fucking happen in real life”. Once I stepped in the spotlight the dispatcher on the phone with me said that they found the target. I was then sat down by a bunch of policemen to be evaluated. They took me on a stretcher into an ambulance. This is the part where I really lost it. While in the ambulance I could see out the window and we kept making the continuous circle past a sign that said “drivetime” and the background was starry like we were driving through space. We kept doing the same turn over and over again. In the ambulance the doctor was talking to me keeping real time. So I was literally experience both present time and the past (going through continuous loop past the sign in space) at the same time. I was experiencing both dimensions. I kept asking the doctor which position I was sitting in so that I could confirm that all this was really happening. I could see myself sitting up, and he told me I was. This proved to me everything was actually happening but in my mind it all felt like all a dream. The best way I can concoct to describe how I felt this whole trip was supernatural. It was like being possessed, having an out of body experience, déjà vu, being a ghost, alternate universes, not existing, nirvana, and every other profound experience you don’t have unless your usually dead or dieing, all at one time; as well as living in the past, present, and future in one fluid realm. I would never wish this experience on anybody, and I know I will never see the world the same again. I woke up this morning and felt completely empty. No feelings, no purpose, nothing. Like I am a ghost wandering in a world I no longer am I part of. A part of me honestly died that night. It was both the most horrifying and in a strange way profound experience I have ever had. And here’s the kicker, everything that happened in my trip (beside the swirling vortex’s and shadow in the very beginning) actually happened. I asked my friend the next day to tell me what happened that night from her point of view and all the events were the same. And as freaked out as I was in my head while all this was happened, apparently when I talked to her I was completely calm. Even the voicemail I left for my boyfriend I was calm. I knew in my mind I was on a bad trip, and I also didn’t know how to stop it or embrace it. This all just goes to show you that our mind is so much more powerful then we could ever experience in our normal life. There is a reason we only use a small part of our brain, because if we used all of it we could not handle this world. I had convinced myself that I was dead, and if it wasn’t for my friend being there with me I would have been.

I was released from the hospital hours after I got there and told there are not any long term effects associated with this drug. I took this for granted and did ecstasy about a month later. Nothing bad happened when I took it, but a few weeks later I had relapses of my hallucinations of thinking I was dead. I would be sitting at home watching tv, and then I would imagine the walls crumbling and me being in another universe. I know longer had any sense of reality. They became more and more frequent until I could no longer be a part of this world, I would freak out in my home and at work. I confided in a co-worker and went to the hospital. I was then sent to a mental institution for a few days and put on anti-psychicotics. I was told I had “temporary drug-induced psychosis”. The pills they had prescribed me made the thoughts go away, but did more bad then good. I devolped a phobia of sleeping or ever being unconscious. And while on the pills I was practically a vegetable with no thoughts or feelings. I decided I couldn’t live my life this way and I stopped taking them. At first the hallucinations came back, but over time they have started to become less frequent. It has been about 7 months now and I still have problems but I am slowly learning to cope. I am only 20 years old and although I am less severe now, I still deal with the aftereffects. I still don’t really know what reality truly is, and I get lost in my own life. I had dreams of a bright future and family and now I don’t know if I can have those things. Please take it from me, it only takes once. Don’t ruin our future to try to fit in, or see what its like, or have one good night. Its not worth it. I hope that this helps someone out there so that my mistakes will not be those of others as well.

EZMac
5:04 am August 6th, 2012

Hello again, all. Just a quick update on my time of sobriety. Symptoms mostly gone, occasional pains are all that remain.

Miriam Vargas
6:29 am August 6th, 2012

I had to quit smoking. I went to buy some spice for the first time yesterday. I didn’t really know how I would fee. I will never again buy this stuff and I hope they do ban it from being sold. I don’t see how weed is illegal and this crap isn’t. Weed makes me happy and all sorts of good stuff. .spice made me feel like I had no reason to be alive. As if I’m worthless. I wanted to hurt myself and just cry for no reason. Nobody should have to go thru any of this bulls*** . How can something so deadly be sold worldwide and nothing be done about it. All the things that have happened and still everywhere I go the smoke shops sell it.

LEGALIZE
4:56 pm August 6th, 2012

im stoned on spice right now, only because the heads who make the rules we have to live by, won’t legalize weed :( ive been smoking weed for like 8 years now, and the only problem i’ve ever had is cloudy thinking the next day for the first half of the morning, and stress when i run out, i’ve tried qutting pot a few times mainly because i feel i get too lazy when i smoke weed.. about 2 years ago i was up north in the mines, and the entire time i was up there, i was smoking a blend of spice called puff (because of stupid drug tests, i needed something to wind down a 12 hour day of work) it wasnt very intense at all.. but it was super addictive, i used to buy a massive tin that cost me 250 dollars every 2 weeks, i was earning enough cash so it wasn’t a problem, but if by any chance i couldnt get any, and for the 2 weeks i was away without it, it was hell.. id be up all night, not being able to sleep and i’d get really moody and angry at everyone. once again im going back up north, anyway… i was on that for like 9 months, then quit my job and quit the spice, got a normal 9-5 job and got back on the all natural M.J, things were great.. but now i’ve been offered another job up north, so ive had to quit weed again, and the withdrawl symptoms have been hectic.. nausia and headaches and gut aches that wont go away.. so i decided to try a new blend of spice, its called blue diablo, apparently its a popular buy from a headshop that just opened up in my town, the first thing i noticed when i smoked it was a weird sensation of my throat closing up, and breathing was hard, followed by an intense high that got my heart racing for a good 10 minutes, then followed by a nice soothing stoned feeling.. it is really enjoyable, and feels just like real weed. but i have learnt my lesson from the PUFF crap i used to smoke, so i am only going to be smoking this stuff til the bags empty, then i’m gonna just give up getting high all together….i’ll still try sneak in some MJ here and there, but i guess the best thing to do is to just find happiness elsewhere, rid the need of “getting high” but yeah, if theres any australian government officials reading into this forum, please…legalize pot.. you assholes are just killing innocent people banning a natural substance, and introducing synthetic alternatives that KILL.

Cody M.
9:45 am August 7th, 2012

HI my name is cody and i have been smoking spice for about a year now. the first time i smoked i had a bad trip where the whole world was spinning like i was being pushed around and around in a office chair then forced to walk. the paintings on the walls came to life and without warning i puked. down on all four i looked into my puke pile and i saw the devils face. i yelled “f*** you” and used my hand to spread the puke into the carpet. after a 30 mins shower and begging god for my life. i then walked to my room slept for about 8 hours and i woke up high! i just chalked it up to a bad trip and me and my friends keep on smoking for about a year and we tell the joke about my “first time trip” now after all most a year without any problems, i have been experiencing heart rates ranging from 120 to 150 and my bp is in the 140-160/100-110 range (as stated above) iv tryed to slowly come off and even have used weed to help ease off but im still struggling with the come down. please if your reading this and have thought about trying spice, K2, what ever, just DONT! it will mess you up.

Death
4:59 am August 8th, 2012

Hi you can call me Flame, I use to smoke alot of spice and never get to bad of highs from it cus well I was a drug addict, I couldent get ahold of the real cus all the cops around my town were bustin all my hook ups for the real stuff then I turn to spice “popery” its not a incense if you light that crap on fire to burn in your room it would most likley turn your whole family into zombies have them kill eachother hah. Seriously I have been clean off ALL drugs for 9 months goin to celibrate recovery yesterday a dude outside of chuch when I got off chuch was smokin a rolly I asked for a hit and took a deep breath in and held it “I smoke cigs like this” then tasted that spice in it blew it out and was like dude is this a cig? “haha no man thats spice enjoy it” fuuu you know? havent smoked for 9months this is really messed and of all things smokin infront of gods chuch hah. anyways started my way home I was home alone couldent even cross the damn streat right got inside the house was tripin out thinkin people were watching me went downstairs turned on the pc im on facebook..ok this is good everythings good I dont have to worry..ok ok BAM! “your computer has a virus” WHAT!? ok so anyways I freaked out about my computer and couldent handle it so I unpluged it from the wall layed down on the coutch and I think I died for about 10mins cus I couldent breath and my heart stoped and I was in hell for about a good gut wrenching gore filled 10mins mabey 30 I cant remember it felt like a long time and was the worst fealing somone could ever have imagine being in hell have your insides grinding out of your mouth over and over again no stoping is just a repeditive death and all you can hear is “you died and now your in hell for eternity” Ok so I really think I did die and go to hell cus I am not a very good person hah. But for some reason after about 30minutes of hell for myself and ever living scared the piss out of me I was able to see the light then 20minutes into looking into the light figured out I was looking at my window from the couch I was laying on so I was aive again…I dont think I actuley triped out or I died for a bit and went to hell but I am 100% sure I was in hell and it had to do with my death..anyways it took some balls to say this so yeah hah. Thanks.

mercedez
1:23 am August 9th, 2012

my bf loves this stuff he goes threw 11 grams in 2/3 days an by the forth day he is looking for dubies…idk what to do about it..i have asked him to stop..one night we were together an he smoked some he coulld not even open his eyes, talk to me or even understand what i was saying… he dnt understand that he needs to stop smoking this stuff not only does he smoke kush he smokes all the different kinds like blueberry, mango, pineapple, grape, green apple, original, all in kush he also smokes the red, green, yellow and blue bags of klimax both bags are 11 grams and he goes threw it in 2/3 days, were are currently not together at the moment… after getting addicted to this stuff he started putting his hands on me alot..idk if its because of the kush or he is just changing b4 my eyes.., but i do suggest that everyone stop smoking that stuff!!! please!!!

Death
1:40 am August 9th, 2012

Oh btw I talked to my brother about what happned 2 days ago..he told me what I just described to him was the exact words in the bible that describes hell, And I have never read the bible…scary shit? I tihnk so.

If there is a hell then that must be Hell I cant even explain how much horrible violently gore filled thoughts and feelings it was for me. if God is real I would have to let everyone know from my own experience this was not a good place and is not a way to live life eternal…

OMG.
12:37 am August 10th, 2012

Ive smoked it for about a year off and on, it wasnt anything like some good ole green. about a week ago i got some new ish, cuz they change the laws here and there so they change names and diff ingredients when that time comes when its illegal, it changes names again etc, well anyways, tried some new :ish: … waited til it was late nite to relax, and took literally 3 hits off a pipe…You know that feeling when you did something, you know you shouldnt have….and start thinking…OH FUCK…well that feeling is what i had a week ago, I sat down and relaxed watched some t.v…then i started feeling heavy, and my heart rate went up..alot..when i went to get up, i realized my vision was messed up…like TRIPPING on shrooms/ecstacy messed up…i was like wtf…i got to a point i called my brother over and over..and when i decided to leave a message i couldnt speak…only whisper…i started to trip harder and got to a point i almost dialed 911, my heart rate was at ” i just ran from a cop and got away” levels…after a good 30 minutes of feeling i was going to die..i started to stabalize..then..threw up..alot….”taco bell gone bad alot”…well…i passed out right after..nasty….and next day hangover headache head thumping…ill never smoke that ever again..now when i think about what happened..it literaly turns my stomach.

moonpuppy
7:05 am August 10th, 2012

My sister is highly addicted to this stuff. She might as well be on crack or meth the way she’s acting and the choices she’s making. She’s been smoking it for a year, and smoking multiple times daily probably for several months (it’s hard to know exactly because she tries to hide it from me how much she is smoking).

I actually smoked it on multiple occasions myself, and I feel very lucky that I did not get hooked. Probably the only thing that saved me from it was the fact that I used to be a pothead, and for over a year was high on marijuana basically every waking moment except for a week or two once or twice a month to save money.

So after deciding this was obviously an addiction, I gave myself an “only once every two months” rule for smoking. It was around this time my sister introduced me to synthetic. If I didn’t have the rule of only getting weed/synthetic once every two months, I would probably be a synthetic addict myself.

Right now I’m sober from everything (except caffeine, which I’d like to quit as well!) and it feels much better.

Like Jaseeka1986 above said, my sister does not even realize that the symptoms she’s having are from the synthetic use. She blames it all on fibromyalgia. She’s lost 30 pounds in less than two months. Her memory is horrible. She crashes and burns. She was neglecting and endangering her child without even realizing her choices were not normal (like taking your child in her carseat in the middle of the night to party for hours while the child sleeps in the backseat, just for example).

I’ve always thought my sister was a good mom. Even for months of her using this stuff, before I realized how bad it was, it seemed like she was at least caring for her child. This last time I visited things had gone downhill 1000%. I had to talk to my aunt (who raised us) about all of this so that I could make sure that my niece was safe and taken care of. My aunt even called CPS on her. These are things I never imagined for my sister. She has a Ph.D. She is very caring and loving normally. Now she isn’t speaking to me because she blames me for CPS being called.

I can bare her being angry, but it is difficult not feeling like I have any power to change the situation. My niece’s father at least is also concerned (he does not live wit her now, but did live with her for awhile and saw her smoking that stuff all the time) but I don’t think he really realizes how bad it is.

In fact I was in denial myself for a long time. Denial is not just something an addict experiences, but also something friends and family of an addict experience about their loved one. It is hard to believe that someone you love could be so self-destructive or make such horrible parenting choices.

I believe my sister has done lasting damage to herself. I hope she quits, but she will not even entertain the idea that there is a problem. I cannot make her have her lightbulb moment.

Also–I really think a.) rehab centers are unprepared for this particular drug. they need to be required to read this forum! ;) and b.) wouldn’t it be nice if rehab were affordable and readily available to people who would use it if they had the option? I talked to an addiction counselor today because I was so stressed out with worry about my sister, and the center where he works costs $12,000 minimum. That’s ridiculous. Obviously there are cheaper options, but not enough and the free ones are probably really not very good quality plus there’s a months-long waiting list.

9:57 am August 10th, 2012

Hi moon puppy. Yes, I agree with you on these points:

a.) Rehab centers are unprepared for this particular drug.

Doctors, psychiatrists, counselors and toxicologists do not yet understand the long term damage synthetics can have on the brain, nervous system, and the body. Research is at its infancy in terms of how synthetic weed/Spice/K2 affects humans.

b.) Wouldn’t it be nice if rehab were affordable and readily available to people who would use it if they had the option?

Try searching the SAMHSA treatment locator directory for a sliding scale fee treatment center near you. Some organizations have a pay-to-scale plan according to your income. But if your sister does not want to go to treatment, you’ll have to consider organizing an intervention…or waiting until she is tired enough (or in enough pain) to change.

Dobber
9:58 am August 10th, 2012

I started smoking synthetic marijuana about two years ago because i had to take ua’s. I found myself getting more hooked when i realized i was spending most of or all of my money on that didnt last long at all. I was pawning my stuff so i could get high. I lost my apartment, my car, and i feel like my life!! Ive never thought about taking myself from this earth since i been heavily on it. I feel more out of control than ever! Its been only twenty four hours or so since i had any. I kinda feel like crap. This sucks. I hope things will get better soon.And it kinda scares me that you can overdose or even die from that.I’ve always been a weed smoker but i can honestly say that this fake is way addictive because of the chemicals that are sprayed onto that and i dont even know what the f im smokin. Plus around here it costs too much for everyday use. At least i will save money from not buying it! And i hope to get my own place back. I thought mean green was the bomb but no its not. So far it has messed my life up. I think spice is the devils drug.

Dobber
10:20 am August 10th, 2012

Forgot to mention that ive gotten sick from smoking spice and a couple times i thought i was gonna die. When i dont have any i feel depressed and irritated and pissed off. Also i cant eat that much when i dont have any which is messed up cuz i love food.

Dobber
10:31 am August 10th, 2012

My boyfriend and i have been to hell and back as a result of this and we are still trying to recover from what seems to be a never ending trip to hell. And the everyday struggle that goes along with it. We spent alot of money on it. I could have had a better car or a car by now. But no all our money had to go on getting high.

Almost died
9:58 pm August 11th, 2012

in my experience with spice i had some 20x and was at a party with alot of my close friends. One of my friends and i went out back to smoke some of this spice. it was only my second time with spice, i normally would do the real stuff, but i wanted to try it for a second time. we had a waterfall (watty) or also referred to as a gravity bong, and a 1/4 inch bit for it. we had a torch too, we were gonna burn it all and get the most out of it as possible. after 1 huge hit that i barely cleared and i held it and held it for about 30 seconds. i exhaled only to find my self as high as i would be after hitting a bong for 7 good hits. i then only remember feeling higher and higher and couldnt stop, my vision started to fade like the static from losing connection. my brother who just showed up to the party came over and knew right away something was very wrong. my friend and my brother told me that they had carried me into the house and put me on a couch in a separate room. i was hilucinating in my head, i could see myself melting like a wax candle and the devil and demons running around my body and trying to rip me apart. while this was going on, they said i was unconcious and was barely breathing with a deathly look on my face. i only remember the terrify point in which i felt myself being ripped apart and fighting for my life . my brother’s gf was dialing 911 right as i regained consciousness and felt my body in horrible pain, and my head. i had thrown up while being unconscious and had a erratic flexing fit, where my body locked up for 2 minutes before i went unconscious. i can not stress enough how close to death i felt inside, it scared me so bad. this is not something to mess with. everyone at that party freaked out when they were told and showed what happened. My other brother had caught my flexing fit and me going unconscious on his iphone. it is horrific and being that close to death is the scariest thing in the world. please dont even consider this as an alternative, because it has the capability to kill you.

GORDON
1:52 pm August 13th, 2012

Dear Alicia,
I’ve been thinking about you and your family. I hope that your husband has been able to see thru this intoxication and searched for the way out. Even with all the love in our hearts sometimes we can’t conquer all. I will continue to pray for you and your family and as I have, feel the presence of the Holy Spirit
Gordon

3:00 pm August 13th, 2012

Hi Dobber. Are you ready to stop smoking Spice, or not?

GORDON
3:41 pm August 13th, 2012

Dear Jessika1986,
Jessica,
I humbled by your comments.
I am now 63 and again going thru a tough time dealing with my health, I will be fine. It has been said to me many times you don’t know what it’s like or you haven’t been here. I have had a tough life, the effects of physicall and mental abuse as a child and teenager unable to escape, no-one to turn to through those years, robs us of many things. Seeking love and acception can take us to equally damaging places and regret.
As you very well know it’s the personall aceptance of a lot of things that is the first step, this is very painfull and may even increase the methods of others to keep us down.Taking action is next and needed to keep on. If it weren’t for my faith in God, our Lord on earth and knowing he is with me by his Grace and strength, I had gotten to weak to change my life. During difficult times I have learned how to look in the Bible and to see how others were giuded through these same things, pretty cool.. As you travel thru life and find certain things or comments to really hit you, in my expierience by the grace of God, most times I can step back and look from the outside in. The Persistance of this from people who consictintly, consciently or not, doal this out for manipulation or intimadation as a mean of controll are the ones we must keep away from. Learning to deal with this is essential, however like “PTSD” some things bring back those memories. Even after ridding myself of these harmful substances for decades, have had many other succsesses, and am thought well of, my family still continues the same treatment. Years ago for myself, wife and especially my son I stated what this is and has effected me, met by more I had to say Goodbye to them. I have heard from some, not understanding what the continuation of this indoctration has infected their very own children. Stateing how hard it is to call me and accepting no part in this dysfuntion I am asked to reach out to these abused kids and help them. It has been my pain and hardships that enables me. Please trust in your faith, life can be rewarding, bring you everything you dream of, Joy beyond description, but it is not always on our own schedule. Life is full of tests many very hard, that are there to help us grow, relay on your knowledge, seek out wisdom.
Gordon

GORDON
3:47 pm August 13th, 2012

DearDobber,
Try to accept that yesterday is gone. Today do your best, tommorow do your best. Looking back with regrets and allowing them to keep you down is the first thing to let go. Let me know how your doing.
Gordon

jermaine
8:24 pm August 13th, 2012

HEY. MY. IS JERMANE. I AM ANG TEEN JUST WAS MY BRITHDAY I HAD SMOKE) K2 WITH MY FRIEND IN I DID IT FOUR TIMESIN I FELT LIKE I WAS GOIN TO DIE I WAS SEEEIN DEVILS MORE THEN ONE THING TRY TO MAKE IT HOME THAT BUT I JUMP THE GATE IN HIT MY FACE ON. THE GROUND. SO. HARD. IN START IT LOL IN IT FELT. LIKE I WAS DIEEIN IN MY FRIEND WAS TO BUTHE THE SAME BUT THE NEXT DAY HE FELT. GOOD INSIDE IN THE NEXT TWO DAYS I START FEEL LIKE I WAS DIEEIN TO DAY AZ I SPEAK. I STILL FEEL THE SAME. LIKE I DIEEIN ITS LIKE EVERY DAY I WAKE UP I FEEL LIKE THIS

this guy is done!
3:09 am August 14th, 2012

I have had more then a few out of body trips from this, and i have been doing it heavily since jan. 2012… i know its done alot to me, i cant focus on one thing for more then a few minutes, i forget things, i go crazy without it, i go crazy with it, i spent every dime i could on it and nothing else. I put it before the girl I love, my family, and my friends. The only friends i had were the ones that smoked weed. I have planned on going in the army ever since i was a kid, and now im 17 and i dont even have confidence in myself to go in anymore. i have been with the same girl for 2 years and we planned on getting married before i left for the army, but now im stuck not knowing what to do. i know i have to quit, and i am also addicted to dip, which is not bad, and if i have got a can of snuff ill be alright. theres way to many things i have lost from this and i couldnt feel like a bigger numbskull. this needs to get off the market as soon as possible, in every way. every company needs shut down and it does not need to be on the earth. its made to mess up lives and i dont see why someone would want to do it in the first place. i dont know why i did it, coming from addict parents and alcoholic parents, i am a foster child and i know what it can do to you. i still did it and i got addicted. if you are addicted find help, and if you havent done it dont. it will mess with you, that is for sure. i promise you that.

moonpuppy
11:37 pm August 14th, 2012

thanks addiction blog. I don’t know yet if my sister is anywhere near being ready for rehab. And I feel like it would be hard to convince my family to do one. But it’s good to know there are resources when/if she does get to the point of wanting to do that. I think this stuff is messing up her head to the point she doesn’t even realize it’s bad for her. Either that or she’s so addicted that she’s not willing to make an admission that would threaten her ability to stay with the addiction.

A friend of mine, who is in recovery himself (not from this particular substance) told me that even when it’s your loved one who’s an addict you still have to take it “one day at a time.” That’s what I’m doing now. There’s only so much power I have. My sister is the one who has the power to end her addiction, not me, and I’ve let her know that I would be 1000% supportive of her should she choose to do so.

7:46 pm August 15th, 2012

Hi Jermaine. It must be scary to go through hallucinations like the one that you describe. Can you see a doctor to have a check-up and possibly get a referral to a psychiatrist or neurologist?

EZMac
9:56 pm August 15th, 2012

Hello again, folks! Day 21 on my road to recovery, and I gotta say, the light at the end of the tunnel just keeps getting brighter. Roughly three days ago, I went to a local clinic to see about the last remainder of my symptoms, and to just generally see how I’m recovering. I ended up educating the doctor as to the dangers and availability of the synthetic blends in my area. Needless to say, the medical community has not been prepared for this. I walked out knowing exactly as much as I went in knowing. Which is to say, my symptoms were caused from withdrawal and that I should eat healthily, exercise, and take in lots of fluids. Since my last post here I’ve given up cigarettes and caffeine, which has lengthened my withdrawal process (breaking multiple addictions at once).

Anyhow, all, just know I’m rootin’ for you and yours to break out of this addiction. There is hope, all is not lost.

Ingrid mueller
4:12 am August 17th, 2012

Hi my name is Ingrid my boyfriend has been smoking this herbal insence nd he cant stop buyin it its been makin him vomit terabally wit blood in it meenin his vomit hes became violent vervally too he has became addicted to this shit nd its has ruined my relationship

Alex
8:46 am August 17th, 2012

I have been smoking this stuff since it has came out the stuff at the store in my town is called gold rush, cyclone2, the mix, I<3 strawberry and watermelon they are all pretty much the same you take a hoot and you feel like your in another world.. Me n my friends smoke this every day and sometimes we see the odd person do it and fall over and black out, it's very common for people to black out and see they're life flash in front of them I've seen it too many times, anyways recently when I've done it my brain starts to burn and feel really how then it feels like I'm sitting on my spine and it's all I can feel it feels as if you are getting brain damage. It's not fun and I just stopped doing it because of these pains I get now, it's all fun and games until u get brain damage

Jeff
9:20 pm August 18th, 2012

@Jaseeka1986 thanks for caring and the advice.Things are getting a lot better my appetite is starting coming back more and more each day. my attitude and mood is starting to improve a lot. my thoughts of death has completely stopped. i quit smoking cigaratts to. i still smoke weed every now and then and i feel that my high on weed is completely different and intense. but anyway thank you:)

Death
11:59 pm August 18th, 2012

Yeah hell was a weird experience of all things the worst place to be, mabey I was tripin balls or I did die and went to hell…if I di either it was a vision from up above or just me tripin out of all the drugs ive ever used shrooms/acid/xtc weed/DXM/pills/booz/wine/ never had that type of vision and feeling..! never again will I mess with “poppery” is stupid imature and makes you FREAK out, I am however gonna try some 100x salvia and see how that gos :]I know I will be more use to a bad trip it just depends on how your feeling at the time well the problem with the “poppery” was 1 “I was in a parking lot in a car” 2 “I thought somone was gonna notice and call the cops” 3 “I am on drug court so yeah all that got the best of me lol. But I HAVE smoked salvia before but only 70x strong kind really dident even do anything but make the room tilt for a good 5 seconds wasent like “scary” or anything it was just funny like shrooms I dont need to take a ton of shrooms to have a good time half a 8th is good for me makes me laugh and giggle have a damn good time with my friends on that was so damn fun :]

TQ
5:37 pm August 19th, 2012

Oh geeze, where to start? I started smoking this stuff back at the end of 2009- current. The spice from 2009-2010 wasn’t that bad. But the legal that was produced from the end of 2010-2012 Is a soul taking death trip.
Every time that I smoke I start to get paranoid and then I feel like the devil or something else is watching me. I feel that there is multiple people that I am talking to simultaneously in my head. I play call of duty 4 team death match when I’m on this…. I like it cause I’m an “Unknown soldier”. Its hard to explain but it’s fighting for your life and is pretty much war. Every game that I play is very intense and war like, even the other players get stressed out. I think I don’t have much of my soul left because of this. I think this product either communicates with God: Not liking that you are doing this, Demons, and or aliens. THIS MAKES YOU FREAK OUT! You will only know and understand the spiritual world once you try this. It makes me mad because when I try to talk to people they just think I’m crazy. I think they should make a movie or documentry about this to show people how bad it is. It would honestly probably be rated R. I hate this feeling, but I find myself going back to it and I hate IT! I need people that will talk to me about it, so If you see this and have experience the spiritual realm… message me.

Jaseeka1986
5:39 am August 20th, 2012

@Alex Yes! Stop now, that’s what made me stop, too. I almost died & DID suffer brain damage, you describe well how I felt when it happened. Funnily, I got an acquired chiari malformation, I say funnily because you saying it felt like you were “Sitting on your spine”, the trauma I sustained was at the base of my skull, at the top of my spine. It’s a malformation of the brain stem & affects your spinal fluid function. This will happen to you if you did continue, but honestly it may’ve already happened, given what you’ve just explained was much like what I felt when it happened to me. Did you hear crackling & thundering? It hurt SO bad, and I almost died. This was NO “bad trip”. Bad trips don’t cause intense, excruciating pain and cause you to almost die. I quit cold turkey after this because I wanted to live! I suffered from psychosis for months afterwards. I smoked since Winter of 2010 until March 4th, 2012, when this happened. Keep me/us posted on your progress, if you need any help at all on your feelings going through this, how to handle the detox/withdraw, or how to cope in any way, hit me up, just reference me in a post of yours & I will help you, Alex. I care about everyone & love everyone. I don’t want anyone to suffer, especially while alone. I suffered through it basically alone with the exception of this forum & with my boyfriend who was angry with me at the time because I’d gone crazy & do’t stupid things.. He didn’t know it was the incense causing this behavior, which he should have! He knows me better than anyone. So practically alone I faced this tough, tough experience. But it gets SO much better, Alex. I can now walk, talk & think. :) I can think objectively, perform my job as I used to, which honestly, this is the first time I’ve been sober from this poison at my job. I was smoking it when I got this job in July of 2011. You’re going to feel better & better. Watch funny/good, uplifting things on TV & the internet. Eat healthy, follow the AyurVedic diet(look it up, it’s incredible), get plenty of rest & try to stay active. All these things will dramatically influence you recovery time in a positive manner! I will get more into detail on how to improve & detox through this if you want me to, ok? I know this stuff zaps your energy, but as long as you know it’s just withdraw, you’ll know this means it will get better! The stuff will eventually be out of your system completely so this means you’ll feel SO much better. Your normal self again. You’re right, this stuff is no laughing matter, you will either get brain damage go insane or die. I suffered from the the first two: brain damage & insanity, so I know how to help others going through it. And I will always be here for anyone who needs it. God Bless, Alex. Much, much love to you! :) -Jessica

Jaseeka1986
6:06 am August 20th, 2012

@Jeff I’m SO happy you’re doing better!! I’m happy to hear about your appetite, the more it comes back the better you’ll feel because you’ll get energy from the food. Try to eat as healthy as possible. Garbage food(junk food, processed food, meat with hormones & anti-biotics, and any food with GMOs-genetically modified organisms) will only weigh your brain & body down, slowing the recovery process. Your attitude getting better is so good, great news. I know how negatively this impacts your thinking process, so you feeling better is welcome news. I, too, had the thoughts of death, it’s beautiful that you don’t have those thoughts anymore, those thoughts were the worst! I could’ve quit smoking cigarettes as well, I think the thought of death really help with making you quit, lol! But the reason I didn’t is because I was a bit on the insane side & was trying to attach myself to any normalcy or connection to my normal self as i could, weird I know, but I was trying anything I could to stay normal & not slip into madness. I passed up a great opportunity that you took! Great for you! :) That’ll lengthen your life-expectancy so much & save you money & make quality of life SO much better. :) As far as weed, I feel completely the same about it, it’s from mother Nature, Mother Earth. SHE knows what she’s doing! Man can mess up, so by sticking with only natural things you’re sure to be safe & have safe fun. If I could smoke I would be right now, but I get drug tested which is why I touched this poison in the first place. Hopefully they’ll legalize it soon so we can do it without worry & this poison will be completely off the market! That will save so many lives. Also, the high off marijuana is lessened when smoking this poison because the poison attaches, superglues, really, itself to your THC receptors rendering them less viable, so many need to know that while quitting & not use it as an excuse to keep smoking this poison. Since you’ve quit it seems you can feel pot better now, so that’s great. It will also help with attitude & appetite. ;) Once again, I’m SO proud of you for quitting & doing so much better! :) Keep up the admirable work. Get plenty of rest & exercise, or just be active, this will also help your recovery. Watch funny, happy things on TV & internet, this will help even more with the attitude. Surround yourself with trusting, loving family members & friends. This helps a lot. God Bless you, Jeff, and I know things will just get better & better for you since you’ve quit. You can love & enjoy happiness even more-so! :) You’re an extremely valuable person, many people love & care for you. Much, much love to you, Jeff! -Jessica

courtney
9:16 am August 20th, 2012

Just a quick question, what is salvia and poppery?

11:30 am August 20th, 2012

Hi Courtney. Salvia (Salvia divinorum) is an herb common to southern Mexico and Central and South America which activates the kappa opioid receptors in the brain. People who abuse Salvia generally experience hallucinations or “psychotomimetic” episodes (a transient experience that mimics a psychosis).

I’m not sure what “poppery” is. Does it go by another name?

Jaseeka1986
2:34 am August 21st, 2012

@Addiction Blog & @courtney When he said “Poppery” he meant “Potpourri”.. by which he meant Spice or any other brand it goes by.

GORDON
8:46 pm August 21st, 2012

If we were supposed to be messin with it we would know all about it. We are not ancient sharmins and are not priviledged to there secret ways. Save your brain!!! Save your time!!!! And don’t listen to all the wacky ideas that WILL mess you up. Fill your time with beneficial activities.
KEEP IT SIMPLE!!
With concern,
Gordon

spicesux
7:05 pm August 25th, 2012

@jaseeka1986 and anyone else who has abused spice in the past and been clean for a long period of time.

I too was a spice user and have been observing all of the posts for quite some time now. I have only posted once on another topic. I went through major withdrawals when coming off of spice. The immeadiate symtoms were a living hell and those subsided after about a week to two weeks. The after effects or “psychosis” is another story. At first (within the first couple of months) I was really freaked out, and thought i might have aids or cancer. And then I found all of these blogs with people having the same feelings or symptoms that I had, which was a little relief. But now I am just looking for some closure. I have been clean for almost 7 months and the psychosis is gone, and i am almost completely myself. Everyday though, I can tell that there is something definetly still there, and am wondering if you feel the same, it is like a faint lightheaded feeling, and i am at a loss of words when i get nervous(especially around new people or my bosses) more than before the spice use. So “jaseeka1986″, you said it took 3 months to feel normal again for you, do you still have the “flashbacks” if you would, or the weird feelings or thought processes like i do? Honestly? And I would love to hear from everyone else who is clean.

TO EVERYONE ELSE!!!!, IF YOUR ADDICTED STOP!!!! DONT BE SCARED OF THE WITHDRAWALS. IF YOU HAVENT USED IT DONT!!AND IF YOUR A STUBBORN USER WHO THINKS IT WONT HAPPEN TO YOU, WAKE UP! THIS STUFF IS POISON! PUT IT DOWN, OR IT WILL PUT YOU DOWN!!!!

cheddar bob
10:56 pm August 25th, 2012

Honestly I never post on stuff like this but anyone who is smoking this crap needs to hear me out. Take it from me and understand that spice does nothing but make you addicted! I thought it’d never happen to me, I’ve smoked the real thing for years, had hardly any problems with quitting that. But after smoking this stuff daily for a year or so, I can say that quitting is easier said than done. I stopped a couple days ago due to the area I live in banning spice (something that should have been done FOREVER ago if you ask me), so I was forced to quit. I knew it wouldn’t be easy just because I’m so used to feeling that “high” these days that I knew it’d be hard without it.

I have been using the real stuff to cope with withdrawals, and even that has next to no effect on me these days. I can hardly sleep at night, I feel anxiety (more than I normally do), I can feel my heart and breathing changing when I am in public and shit, this stuff is NOT cool! I’ve quit harder drugs in my life (including Oxycontin) but I must say this crap is dirty stuff, it’s not a good habit to pick up.

Nick
11:23 am August 26th, 2012

I’m going to keep it short and sweet. take this how you may.
I been smoking this stuff for about a year now and mainly everyday smoking 3grams in a couple of days. sometimes in a day if I’m at home on the weekend.

anyway,

I had dose last night.. worst trip ever! I’ve been close to death before with this stuff but last night took me to a other level. It has completely change me as a person. I will never go back. God loves you

spicesux
2:16 am August 30th, 2012

@jaseeka1986 and anyone else who has abused spice in the past and been clean for a long period of time.
I too was a spice user and have been observing all of the posts for quite some time now. I have only posted once on another topic. I went through major withdrawals when coming off of spice. The immeadiate symtoms were a living hell and those subsided after about a week to two weeks. The after effects or “psychosis” is another story. At first (within the first couple of months) I was really freaked out, and thought i might have aids or cancer. And then I found all of these blogs with people having the same feelings or symptoms that I had, which was a little relief. But now I am just looking for some closure. I have been clean for almost 7 months and the psychosis is gone, and i am almost completely myself. Everyday though, I can tell that there is something definetly still there, and am wondering if you feel the same, it is like a faint lightheaded feeling, and i am at a loss of words when i get nervous(especially around new people or my bosses) more than before the spice use. So “jaseeka1986″, you said it took 3 months to feel normal again for you, do you still have the “flashbacks” if you would, or the weird feelings or thought processes like i do? Honestly? And I would love to hear from everyone else who is clean.
TO EVERYONE ELSE!!!!, IF YOUR ADDICTED STOP!!!! DONT BE SCARED OF THE WITHDRAWALS. IF YOU HAVENT USED IT DONT!!AND IF YOUR A STUBBORN USER WHO THINKS IT WONT HAPPEN TO YOU, WAKE UP! THIS STUFF IS POISON! PUT IT DOWN, OR IT WILL PUT YOU DOWN!!!!

Emily
6:10 pm August 31st, 2012

I am going to share my horror story in hopes to aid anyone, because I know that reading many of these has helped me IMMENSELY.

I graduated high school this past May (2012) and during my time in high school I was highly involved with clubs, sports, as well as academically focused. The school that I went to had random drug tests, and I saw many people panicking on the day of the tests, so although I partied in high school, I decided to refrain from weed until after graduation. It never bothered me like when you think of peer pressure, because a lot of athletes chose to do the same, it just wasn’t worth the risk. Graduation rolled around and I hadn’t even thought about the opportunity to try marijuana. One night in early June, I was at a friends bonfire. Nothing crazy, just a small gathering. My best friend and I decided we would try smoking that night because it was the perfect time, a chill gathering and what not. We asked a guy who was so kind enough to give it to us for free. I had no nerves whatsoever, I pretty much expected to feel somewhat drunk? I didn’t really know too much of what to expect but many of my friends said being high was better than drunk. I wasn’t scared of getting caught or what it would feel like, I was ready to go! They pass around the blunt and I take a hit. I felt no different except I was uncontrollably coughing. I had heard that the first time you smoke you probably won’t get high so I was not surprised. it came around again and i took a really big hit. About 30 seconds later I just felt myself come back to reality. I couldn’t really talk i just said “woah” And my friend who was driving me home looked at me and smiled and i said “Is time really messed up when you’re high?” She shook her head yes and then no. When I tell this part to my friends they all say this is relatively normal, (since I had no prior experience and this basically messed up my view on weed) so as i am sitting there i start getting really fidgety and wanting to go home. I asked my friend please take me home please take me home, she was like yeah one second. So all of us head up to the cars and I am feeling weird time-wise but nothing horrible yet. So we get in the car and are waiting for the guy who gave us the “weed” to get in as well. Mind you, I completely trusted all these people I am with..I had been family friends for years so this was not some sketched out random guy. I had gone to school with them since Kindergarten. So we are in the car and I am STARING at my phone keep turning it on and off hoping time will move faster. I stared at the clock for what had seemed to be an hour, and not a minute would pass. I kept saying come on guys lets go i want to go home. My other friend in the car who was high kept laughing, and then the driver who did not smoke was just singing to the radio. “Drunk on YOu” by luke bryan was playing and i STILL get spooked when I hear it because it was going SOOO slow it was unbearable to listen to. So the guy who gave it to me gets in the car and they start to back out. I still don’t know if the following part is real or not, but we kept backing out, jerking the car stoping, and they would all just stare at me and smile. I felt like everyone was out to get me and I was about to cry saying “Please just drive!!” but they kept driving a foot, stopping the car and turning to look at me. As we INCH up this driveway I am panicking and can feel my heart feeling hot and beating so fast as if it is about to explode. We get to the tip of the driveway and for some reason all i can remember are the faces staring at me, the car in park, and really bright yellow street signs and at that moment I though I am dead. This CANNOT happen to you if you are alive. I was raised in a Catholic family and went to church and all but never really embraced it or anything if you know what I mean? Never took it too seriously as bad as that sounds. All of a sudden I knew I was dying and did not know what to do. The only thing I could think to do was pray. So i started just screaming that God would help this end. Praying and praying and during this I was hallucinating. When I though of hallucination, I thought of 21 Jump street stuff like melting ice cream cones and rainbows and happy bizarre things…and I also imagined that I would see the world as it is with just random additions. This was NOT the case. My eyes were open but I was seeing an ENTIRELY different world. I was seeing what i describe as like constant deja vu images that i just KNOW i have seen before at some point in my young life, whether it be in infancy or when my mom was pregnant with me. It is so hard to describe maybe someone else understands…Like one image I remember was a specific garage opening that i just know i have seen before… another was an image i swear was from a book I had when i was like one. I cannot describe they were all going so fast. The spookiest one that I specifically remember was like a soft yellow image surrounded by soft teal and purple nonsense that i just KNOW i used to see all the time. This was the one that made me think i saw it when i was tiny. I just cannot for the life of me remember where I saw it. BUt I saw it often. This whole thing is going to sound very religious but this is just how I was perceiving it all because I associate no other thing with death than religion. But I swear when I was like 3 I used to pray before bed and see these images as i fell asleep every night…But then I find it so bizarre so I jump back to the infancy/pregnancy theory. I know I am ranting about nothing but maybe someone out there will understand these images. So anyway I look down at my hands and they are blue and boney and veiny and bleeding in a praying position. All of a sudden after what seems like an ETERNITY of me SCREAMING just hoping I will be saved from this misery, I jolt up and see all my friends staring at me in the car saying “What the hell just happened?” “OMG WHAT IS GOING ON” Just making me just as confused. I looked at the clock and it was 2 minutes after I had just checked it. I sat in silence as they took me home no longer feeling any effects of the high. So i get out of the car not a word said and see my sister coming home from her night out as well. I remember her giving me a dirty look and then I went in after her. I ran straight upstairs into my bedroom. My other sister was sleeping there and I shoved her and made her wake up. I said to her “I just want to tell you I smoked weed tonight and something is wrong with me.” I felt okay at this point just panicky that it might happen again. So she was just asking me questions trying to call some of my friends asking what she should do. I remember taking all my clothes off and throwng them in the closet and starting to feel my heart beat and burn again. I am sitting in just underwear/sports bra and sit on my bed and just say its going to happen again.. ALl of a sudden I am back into the same whirlwind of images. This time I remember one specific image (although there were hundreds I am sure) and I was lying in a crib being lifted up by my mom as if I was a baby. I was then lying on the ground having my diaper changed with this same lamp we used to have on and that was it, it was pretty dark but just like a moment in my life. I felt so vulnerable. I thought in my head, wow i actually am dead. When they say your life flashes before your eyes this is what they mean. I was absolutely terrified so I kept screaming and praying. All of a sudden I woke up SOAKING wet (thinking I am sweating from a heart attack or something later to find out my dad splashed me with a bucket of water) and I see my parents standing over me. They were like “what is going on?” I just stared at them feeling fine again and embarrassed and said take me to the hospital. They said come on were going for a drive. I then thought okay..if this were real my parents would be calling an ambulance and taking me to the hospital, this is not real I am dead. As i read in an earlier post, it was like the devil would give you slips of hope and then rip them away and also like you were experiencing what was going on around you as you were dying. WE start driving back to my friends house and in my mind I thought I am going to go back to her backyard seeing my life flash before my eyes, see myself dead by the fire standing with my parents. I start going back into hallucinations again and wake up again to see my parents standing talking to my friends parents, me sitting in the back seat of the car, and my 3 sisters looking for the boy who gave it to me literally about to jump him or something. My older brother had experimented with drugs and was relaxed saying i did shrooms or something. So next we drive to the hospital and another episode occurs. We then walk into the hospital and they are questioning me. At this point by the way it is 1:17 because the song “Need you now” started playing and I am singing because it was a quarter after one and i thought this song would only play now if i were dead which sounds silly and it was i was giggling, it was the only happy moment of the night. So we get to the hospital and I trusted NO ONE. I thought all the doctors were trying to shut me up and kill me. I thought this was all a hallucination and I was really lying beside the bonfire dead and my friends all walking around me “doctors” wondering what to do with me. They fought with me for a good hour while i was saying weird observations about them and refusing the treatment (just a tranquilizer and an IV) and I just thought my parents were the most amazing people ever and I was in awe with them and thought this was my last moment before I die. I stopped the hallucinations and I recalled what I learned from Catholicism that there is purgatory before heaven and it is suffering so maybe that was purgatory? And the length of it relates to how bad you were in your life. So i must have been horrible because it seemed unending. Now I was so confused? Should I accept the treatment? WIll it mean relief or is it the easy way out and will I have to endure more suffering? SHould I reject it and suffer more or is the hard way better? I was so confused, asking the doctors their opinions and my parents. At this point I was just so utterly confused. AT about 4 AM the doctors decided I could go home. The entire walk out of the hospital and drive home I have absolutely NO recollection of whatsoever. I don’t remember going in my house or going to bed. I woke up the next day at 1 PM in my parents bed. It did not seem real. 2 of my friends visited me in the hospital wondering if I was okay, they came with the boy who gave it to me’s mom. Obviously in high school, word spreads like wildfire. I had so many friends calling asking if they could see me asking what happened. Several friends visited and I would just cry because I couldn’t explain what had happened. My parents were not mad, I told them the truth that no one pressured me, I had wanted to experiment I trusted everyone. I apparently was drug tested in the hospital and it came up with no trace of any drug in my system and he said it was synthetic. I began researching this stuff and found some similarities to my experience. For the following two months of summer I continues to have panic attacks. I felt that I was completely disconnected from myself, I felt as if nothing was real and it was all an illusion, i felt as if i was still dead and this was all just a trick to make me think I was begin saved and all of a sudden I would wake up and be dead again. I would start to breathe heavily and become dizzy, my heart would beat very fast and I felt completely out of body. It only happened when I was alone. One day i was working and it began to happen and my coworker looked really concerned and was trying to help me and kept feeling my forehead saying “you okay? you look really pale?” at this point i realized it wasn’t in my head. I looked up what it could be and found myself very similar to Panic Disorder, an anxiety disorder. Obviously, I could be hypochondriac, but none of this occurred until after i smoked the synthetic stuff, which by the way everyone else got the regular high and this guy still will not admit that it waas synthetic. I remembered learning in psychology (I am a psych major) that many people who have underlying schizophrenia and do LSD, it can bring the schiz. out earlier than it should have come out, but LSD cannot cause it. I thought maybe I had an underlying anxiety disorder, and this brought it out of me and maybe the chemicals in my brain as opposed to others brought out this horrible reaction and then caused the anxiety to come out of me. just a thought. I recently stumbled upon this website with my sister and her friend and started having another panic attack when i read the article. My sister and her friend started crying when I told them my story. I felt so much better reading it and then started reading all the above stories and have never felt so comforted to know that other people understand. I still get made fun of for it, I try to laugh it off I mean I don’t take any of them seriously and I don’t get my feelings hurt because of it. My name is emily and some people call me “The Exorcism of Emily *” with my last name. I kinda laugh but inside I know that this is NOTHING to joke about. This was literally the scariest thing I think you can endure. You truly could not understand unless you experience it. I wanted to die the entire time I just wanted it to be black and be done. I could not handle it. I recently left for college and have not been as affected by this anxiety. Not sure why? Maybe just being in a different setting? I cannot even describe how thankful I am to be alive right now. This is nothing to mess around with and should be banned. I would not wish this experience on my worst enemy, I would not wish this experience on anyone. Worst experience of my entire life but definitely taught me a lot and gained a new perspective on life. I kept telling my mom i had a near death experience and she kept saying no you didn’t you were with us the whole time? THose of you who can relate know otherwise..

anthony
4:26 am September 1st, 2012

I tried it just the other day….never again. dont try this stuff if you have deep seated conflict and issues. my story…
I took 2 hits, really big hits, anyways instantly i started seein bright dots in my vision until i lost eyesight and just heard the music playing in the background, i panicked and m,y heart started beating faster and faster i thought i was having a heart attack, now i was really freaking out but the high was getting worse i started just seeing red and blue and fading out of conscieness i kept trying to snap out of it because i was scared but i could hear my friends saying “oh my god, hes about to fall off the chair ”
than i felt myself fall out and my face smacked the something my heart was beating really fast and all i could see was bizarre flashing colors. i thought i was dying im like im dying i need help but i wasnt conscience enough to say it. than i blacked out i woke up and heard the door open and heard my friends freaking out saying call 911…saying is he dead?…i wanted to wake up and talk but i couldnt i started freaking out more i blacked out and woke up again and heard paramedics saying “hes going in to cardiac arrest” i heard them say “charge” and count down i guess it was a difribillator once they counted down i blacked out and opened my eyes i could see and i though the high was over i got up but when i did i couldnt go anywhere i would run to the door only to end up by the bathroom and black out and the memory kept happening over and over again like it wouldnt end….it felt like an eternity to the point where i wanted to kill myself to end it so i fough to get to the door and jumped over the balcony to kill myself….once that happened i totally blacked out but i didnt wake up…i was in darkness eternal darkness, i though i was dead in real life or hooked up to a machine brian dead and this was going to be for the rest of my life or my hell, than i just gave up….on everything like i dodnt care anymore i just wanted someone to unplug me kill me anything….after that my eyes opened and i was standing with 3 people holding me asking me if i was alright, they said i fell down 3 flight of stairs and jumped off the 2nd floor balcony.
ever since that night i dont feel right anymore like i broke something inside of me…..

thats my story of trying spice, and i will never do it again and you shouldnt either it really messes with you

Tom H
5:09 pm September 4th, 2012

Well, it’s been a while since my last post, there may be a couple of you wondering if I succombed to this ridiculous drug (poison?) they call “legal weed”Spice”, whatever you want to call it, all I know that if you are not strong enough within nyourself, there is only ONE conclusion to this lifestyle, and it’s either death or a living hell until death. I had started this shit about a year ago, my story is pretty much been on display here and I’ve had some very good people that took the time to give me some help/advice, and I totally appreciate you all! I’m very embarrassed to say the least, but I need to share my experience with this stuff. Before I had ever tried this, I smoked real pot regularly, and it was becoming more and more difficult to do recreationally as I was being drug tested at my doctors office, which I am on pain management for neck and back injuries/surgeries, ect. and that’s the quickest way to get kicked out is to have illicit drugs in your system, while they are prescribing hard narcotics to combat my daily pain, and what I’m on, you just can’t come off cold turkey without welcoming death, it’s really that bad, so I had heard about this Spice stuff, but never really thought about trying it because I thought because it was legal, that it surely would be a watered down version of marijuana, and I wasn’t going to waste my money or lungs on something so synthetic, but one day I was at the corner gas station and seen the packs in the casing and thought, what the hell, it;s the weekend, football season was starting and I wanted to do what I always did with pot and mix it with the things I enjoyed the most, so I purchased it. Well that first time I tried it, I was blown away at how strong this stuff was, it wasn’t particularly a good feeling, but after the first several minutes, it became tolerable and had some nice things about it, that quickly changed as time went on, and through trial and many errors and getting some bags MUCH stronger than others, a year later and my opinion has changed dramatically! I bought this stuff called Charlie (as in Sheen) and it packed a wallop of a punch, that it got real scary at times, I had incidents where I swear it had some very supernatural effects, and I mean this in the most clear state of mind, there were times where it made a point to show me that there was something much bigger and sinnister behind this, I mean through the years I had tried everything, and strong drugs too, but never did I ever lose complet6e control over everything while using, I always had atleast one foot on the ground, so I’m not a newbie to hard psycodelic drugs (even though it was years ago), so with Charlie, I had to be careful because there were times I bit off way more than I could chew, one time it attacked my stomache in a very profound manner, I had to vomit a few times, usually I feel better like most people do after ridding your body of what ails you, but this night something had complete physical control over my body and I could feel my insides completely being manipulated by this “evil presence” (if you will), I looked down and seen my stomach moving by itself, my insides were being handled at will by something, I can’t exactly explain it other than something beyond this 3 demensional world was letting me know I was playing with a dark force and IT was in charge, it scared the hell out of me, and I can’t honestly say why I wasn’t scared enough to stop right then and there despite my cries to God to please get me through this, and swearing to myself that I would NEVER do this again, but the next day would come, and I’d be on myn porch dancing with the devil, now these (we’ll call it hard episodes) didn’t happen all the time, in fact, most of the stuff I bought was pretty mild and gave me a decent high, I suppose that’s what made me justify my stupidity to keep trying. As bad as these hard episodes were, there was this sick appeal that I had for it when I was straight, almost like venturing into this wicked world of trippiness, and the fact that I made it through them, I guess gave me the gumption to keep doing it, but I did NOT like not being in control of my body, I guess if someone were to get possessed by an unclean entity, this is what I guess it would be like….not fun at all. So anyways, I’m really ashamed I never heeded Jaseeka, Gordon or Tracy’s advise to run like hell away from this weed with the roots from hell! But I was again, justifying it by staying with the mild stuff, one time it gave me a very pleasurable high, and from there I thought it would only get me so high, that there was no chance of those hard episodes because it just wasn’t that strong, but I developed an immunity to the high, I simply wasn’t getting nothing out of it but a bad cough, so I went back and asked for the strong stuff, they said we have “Fairly Legal”, it was more expensive and only came in a gram or two….well, there was a reason for the price, this was the stronest stuff yet! It gave me those hard episodes everytime I did it, so I knew it was just too strong and mixed it with the milder stuff, well before I did that, I did have 4 or 5 “Hard episodes” that really was the scariest thing you could imagine, I felt like this thing had a strong grip around my neck and I was totally without free will during these times, and I would often ask myself if I will EVER be able to break myself from this, I have way too many other issues to deal with, this is the LAST thing I needed to add to my plate, and the thought of knowing how I am (addictive personality), well I just knew it was going to be the end of me unless something drastic happened……..and it did. I was at work a few weeks ago when I felt this unbelievable pain in my left leg, it got so bad that I noticed it was hard as a rock swollen, and even noticed a couple of veins on my shin that weere very profound, I knew something wasn’t right, but as much as I tried to get it out of my mind, the pain was just too much and I made the choice to leave work and go to the ER…..as it turns out, that was my saving grace because it was discovered that I had a blood clot in that leg, and after further test and catscans, it was also determined that I had 2 pulminary embolisms (1 in each lung), NOW I wonder how this happened, I’m 46yrs old and in pretty good shape, I’ve always played sports my whole life, so it didn’t get there from being a bump on a log, so I was immediately admitted, and was there until just yesterday, I am having to take all kinds of meds like blood thinners, and I failed to mention that am also type 2 Diabetic! Needless to say, I have to make some life altering decisions regarding my health, I can’t even go back to work for another 3 weeks as I’m told I could drop dead without the slightest warning, but to emphasize the power of this SHIT, when I got back home, I kept thinking about my “routine” and when the time was right, I slipped out onto my lanai and packed me a bowl and barely could muster taking in one hit when I realized everything that I just went through and flung that fucking pipe against the wall, got up off my chair and said No fucking way am I going to let you do this to me, I shot it a bird and went back in the house and sat there asking myself why in the world would I do that, was the high that good? Hell no, infact most of the time it was torture, but it’s amazing how the human brain works, many times in your favor, but sometimes downright against us! Well, I haven’t touched it since, nor do I crave it, I do not have any withdraws and wouldn’t care if I did as I am going to make the herculean effort to never smoke that shit again, will I succeed? Not sure, but if I don’t, one thing is certain, you will never see another post from me, as I probably would no longer exist, and for what? I’m sorry for the cursing, but I can’t help but show my emotions as I write this. I don’t think I’m like most of the people on here, most, sadly enough, are much younger, PLEASE read all these experiences and get out while you can, ’cause even if you survive this demon weed and live, there may be lifelong repercussions that are irreversable, and it may always be a part of your life whether smoking it or not! Again, thanks to those who reached out to me, especially Jaseeka, who’s description of her brain crackling like frying bacon really resonated with me, and Tracy, who’s husband’s story is very similar to mine, I hope he’s done with this too! God bless all of you, party on life because you will not like the alternative.

Jaseeka1986
7:06 am September 5th, 2012

@spicesux & @GORDON (@Tom H. I will be on here tomorrow & will write you :) I’m glad to hear you’re back & doing better as far as quitting!!)
@GORDON: I hope you’ve been well, if you want to talk away from here for support, go to the link I sent @POISONED and you can leave a message there. You may have to set up a YouTube account, but either way, let me know when you’ve sent a message & I can return it. My screenname is the same on YouTube as it is here, so if it’s possible to search someone that way, feel free to & then to send a message. God Bless you, sir!

@spicesux Hi. I did go through the same experience, when you say you were certain you had AIDS or Cancer, I went through that, too. I was positive I was dying. I suffered from brain damage & was in & out of the hospital at the time so this didn’t help matters at all. But I want you to know I felt the same things. I felt like I was going to die 24/7 & thought of death constantly. This stuff is terrible for causing those feelings. Almost everyone I’ve talked to here has felt these feelings, plus the extremely rapid heartbeats & heart pain which play into the thoughts of death, too. Thinking that way makes your heartbeat more & hurt even more. Bad cycle.
To get an idea of your withdrawels, how long did you smoke & how heavy? Since you had strong withdraw that tells me you smoked a good amount fairly often I’d assume for sure. Well, it took me about 3 months to figure out it for sure was getting better & I wasn’t gong to be stuck that way forever. I felt the most normalcy I’d ever felt since I started smoking this poison. I did get the same feelings you’re talking about, and honestly I still do. I get flashbacks sometimes, but I think it’s mainly because my last time smoking(and the last month of being psycho before stopping) caused me such trauma. I have flashbacks about how scared I was to die, mainly because the poison had taken my spiritual side away from me & I didn’t believe or think anything was on the other side, but I knew at the same time, but was terrified of what was going to come next. All this besides the physical intense pain. But besides that even I do have little flashbacks, like weird thoughts pop into my head. It may be because we had so many of these thoughts come into our heads during this that it stuck with us like a memory & that’s why we have these thoughts come back sometimes, like it’s a memory popping back into our head, a memory with intense feelings because it scares us maybe? I don’t want to sound too serious or down, I just want to be completely honest.
Yes I do feel weird sometimes. I am actually I’m just now starting my 7th month of being sober off this crap. So we’re close in time as far as healing. Great job on quitting, seriously. Let me just say I’m extremely proud of you!! Seriously, awesome job. :) Especially as hard as it was for you to do so. I commend you for that. I know how hard & draining it is on you & I’m glad this forum helped you, too. It definitely saved my life.
You know, something that helped me a looot is getting prescribed anti-anxiety medication for just a short time. I only took it for about a month, if even, and when I stopped, I felt like I’d ‘snapped back’ into reality so much more. I think it helps our body & minds recuperate, helps take the edge off so we can take it much easier & our body & mind can help rebuild itself, part of what it’d lost while smoking this poison. If not anxiety meds, I know resting whenever possible, absolutel whenever possible can help SO much. This may help you, too. But to answer your question, I still don’t feel 100%, I’d say I feel about 95%. The missing 5% accounting for the occasional weird thoughts(although I can push them out now when I couldn’t before), occasional freezing up(anxiety’s a little worse than it was, still), but overall it’s so much better than before. I bet this will go away very soon. We should keep each other posted if anything every month or so, to let/see if the other’s improved fully or noticeably. I do feel great, though. Finding something that makes us happy can help fill the void of time which we may think of these random thoughts occasionally, so that our mind is occupied on something else, and the happy thing builds more endorphins* & serotonin. Maybe mind exercises, too can help? Like puzzles, studying things you enjoy – like I like watching documentaries or different news pieces that have a lot of facts, helping retain them can help our memory & build our brain more, which I bet would help us a lot in this regard.
I want to help you find any closure you need, so if I can help any more than this, let me know, ok? You’re helping me as well, we’re both healing. I really appreciate it, too. If I can think of anything that may be helpful to you I’ll let you know, and if you can think of anything you need, like help or advice or even if you happen to need someone to talk to who’s been there, I’m here. God Bless you & Much, Much love to you, Be safe & stay strong as you have been! :) -Jessica

Jaseeka1986
7:28 am September 5th, 2012

@GORDON In case you can’t find the link, here it is again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQBSkESiuZI

God Bless everyone, the link is a great song, if anyone’s interested or loves art, you may enjoy it as well. It’s called “Night Raga”, pretty much means Night music, or music best suitable for night. Something peaceful helps when going through this.. Stay strong all of you & Much Love to you all.
-Jessica

takota
12:33 am September 6th, 2012

hello, i am 15 years old. the first time i tried fake weed was when i was 14 years old. i never liked the stuff it was callled down to earth or dte,d2e etc.. but i never liked it but yet i kept doing it. i freaked out alot thought i had cancer, brain tremors and more. i have social phobia i dont know if its from this fake weed but i never had social phobia untill i tried this. i do smoke weed. but i wishi never did it ! it messes with peoples minds. i kinda still think i am dieing from it… but i am going to quit but its hard to quit sometimes because when i dont have or get weed i can get down to earth any second of the day. PLEASE DO NO TRY IT OR PLEASE STOP

spicesux
12:37 am September 6th, 2012

I was smoking about 2 1/2 grams a day, everyday, for about 7 months. When I started i thought ” oh cool! its legal and the shit really does get me high!” (since my job does random drug tests it was even better). Then about 3 months in i noticed i was craving it, and had an addiction to it. I kept telling myself “this will be the last bag” but i kept driving myself to the store to get some because i was afraid of running out. All of this is before i even knew there were withdrawal symptoms. I only briefly researched the product before trying it and mostly just to find out if it was untraceable or not. Little did i know i was in for one HELL of a ride! I decided to quit when I started feeling weird pains in my chest. I have a beautiful wife, and two gorgeous daughters, and could not chance my health for anything. ( Let me remind you, I did little research on the product, and thought if it was legal it must be ok). I was sitting at home on the weekend and just got done taking some hits, then went inside to watch tv when i noticed the pains. It really freaked me out especially because my dog was going crazy bouncing around, and would not leave my side, i swear he sensed something that day, I still think that if i didnt have one I was damn close to having a heart attack. So that day i through a half bag out the window and never looked back. That night, the withdrawals were horrible, I MEAN HORRIBLE! I had severe night sweats, frequent panic attacks, I couldnt catch my breath, I was vomiting, very dizzy and I couldnt shake it for anything. This lasted for about a week. After that week I started the long journey to where I am now. It started off bad: horrible memory, loss of words,(I graduated with honors, and could not even put together a sentence at one point), Still had some dizziness, and I would sweat profusely with little work. The heart pains would come and go, anxiety attacks, trouble focusing, and general cloudiness. I noticed to that it gradually got better. I now have my happy personality back. No word loss. seldom heart pains, anxiety attacks are rare. But I have noticed a pattern, mostly the spacey feelings happen whenever I accelerate my heart rate, I have a very physical job, which requires hard work and I mostly get these feelings when I am working hard or at a fast pace. Also could be the sweating. It feels like when you “stare off into space” constantly . but all of this is getting better just feeling weird and want it to stop completely

Tom H
2:20 pm September 6th, 2012

Spicesux, I really appreciate your story man, it seems very similar to mine, the chest pains, fogginess/forgetfulness…the works! I appreciate most that you stopped because you realized what you have in your family, I pray that you continue to see this as a very negative and evil poison. If you ever do have a relapse (God forbid), please keep your dog close by, I think you are spot on in it’s ability to have that extra sense of nearing trouble to it’s master. Please keep us posted as I’m still battling myself and need to relate to people just like you. Keep it up brother!

GORDON
8:48 am September 7th, 2012

Dear George,
As Martial Artists we have a code to live and demonstrate, a code of ethics, some refer to violence as the last resort or in direct self defense only. Many who study toward these goals of quality and example rarely if ever use physical contact to solve their inner and outer conflicts. In our Do Jang anyone using drugs would be shown the door, and I mean only once.
These values are a direct reflection of your instructor, school, and on your Grand Master.

Star
12:59 am September 12th, 2012

I too, like many others, was looking for an alternative to real weed. I started smoking this stuff called black magic after I moved out of my parents house and moved in with my boyfriend in an apt. Unlike many, I had no issues with it for the first few months. I mean, I never preffered “black magic” over real weed, but never the less, was still a high. My boyfriend noticed I had become more and more irritable where usually like most weed heads am a very easy going person. I was in denial, and thought I was fine. He left me. I had cried myself into a dark depression and began constantly smoking “black magic” and other fake crap. I closed my blinds, locked my door and sat in my apartment by myself for long periods of time, unless I ran out. The business I worked for went under, so I lost my job. Here I was alone, jobless and sinking into a dark hole.. I decided to run to the store, pick up a bottle of wine and some fake pot to lift my spirits. After feeling pretty buzzed, I went to lay down.. I cannot even begin to explain next what I felt. First, I realized I was not asleep, but I couldn’t move. In my mind, I was being controlled by the devil. I saw things that the darkest mind could not even imagine. I felt powerless, weak, and I felt phyically sick. When I was finally able to move, I threw up for hours on end. This was 1 year ago. After quitting, I actively tried to convince others that did it to quit as well. I wouldn’t wish the feeling I had that night on my worst enemy. My heart goes out to those who have lost loved ones from this crap. I hope someone who is or wants to try this will read these stories and realize this is not a fun drug. Luckily, I have not had any long term effects that I know of.

Jaseeka1986
1:49 am September 13th, 2012

@Tom H Hi Tom, I’m really happy, very happy to see you on here once again. I did wonder where you’d gone & how you were doing. I honestly was worried. I know by your story you had an addiction very similar to many on here who have many problems when quitting & especially before quitting(memory loss, heart problems, paranoia, I could go on & on, you know what I’m talking about). You & I tried this because of the exact same reason more exact than just trying to bypass a drug test, but because of the medication we’re both on & the setting we are treated in. I go to a place similar to a pain management clinic, many people who went to those clinics come to my treatment-type facility. They’re looked at better than someone who’s gotten there for my reason for being there is. My father once went to the pain management for a while & was kicked out, swiftly I might add, for the reasons you explained. It does seem rather an oxymoron the treatment they apply there & not having any acceptance for marijuana. You don’t have withdrawel from Marijuana, but the drugs they use.. good luck! It’s terrible! I have some anger issues towards the places here because my father was left dealing with severe pain because he smoked marijuana. But rest assured, Tom, just in case anything ever happens, there are many doctors out there who will prescribe you the medication you need, and let me say, it is very easy to get past doctor’s office drug tests. I don’t like to say that of course, but I believe one should be able to smoke marijuana without worrying that their lives can be altered severely for it. Especially when it helps their pain & anxiety. I missed 3 days of my medication one time & had a contraction when I wasn’t even pregnant! I felt like I was dying & was sure something horrible was happening to my body & that I couldn’t take the intense pain anymore, then I had the contraction & the intense pain stopped. It was one of the weirdest things I’ve ever experienced. It was also scary as Hell. If I’d been pregnant it would’ve been very bad; they’ve even got Federal laws for pregnant women taking it not being able to be kicked out of treatment & they can even ‘ignore’ their bill & still receive their meds. That’s how hardcore it is coming off this medication. Again, you already know this, though!
I’m so happy to hear you’re doing better, you are dealing with some scary health issues to say the least, & I for one thank God you’re still here. You’re a very nice, respectful person who’s got a lot to give & can help many people, with your story alone, and your family needs & loves you very much & doesn’t want anything to happen to you. Be sure to take it easy, stress is a killer, and you don’t need any extra right now. Put things in God’s hands to rest assured things will be ok if you ever worry too much.
I, too have many highs where I was begging God to get me through it, if I could even recognize Him in some of them! They were truly experiences I will NEVER forget & will carry with me for the rest of my life. I didn’t know who I was during one of them. I became THAT detached. I was afraid I’d be stuck that way. But, as you’ve recognized & stated as well, we both kept going back. Justifying it could’ve just been that particular brand(which actually in some cases was true!) or that we’d smoked too much, it won’t happen again, or lightening won’t strike twice, et cetera. Classic addictive behavior. On that topic, I for one don’t like labels, as far as labeling myself an “addict”. I recognize I have this type of personality, but won’t let it rule my life in a negative way, like let it demean me. But I do understand until you(in general) make some serious changes, you will be destined to repeat such behavior, so it’s only logical to recognize this. I just don’t like the negative connotation associated with it; it’s a trait, not who we are. We’re not bad people. Just had some bad behaviors we needed to address & work on.
Wow, just wow about what you suffered! many people have died from half of what you’ve gone through. You are a very strong person, Tom. I’m very glad you recognize what you can & can’t do while suffering from these pulmonary embolisms. It really is best you stay off of work or any strenuous activity. Especially stress. What you’ve described is so terribly frightening. I just can’t believe how painful it must’ve been! You are very strong. I just can’t believe you’re still here, I’ve never heard of anyone experiencing such an event & surviving, let alone being as active as you are right now. Once again, a testament to your willpower & strength. Man, your experience must be a wake-up call to many thinking this poison will not affect them. I’m praying for you & pulling for you. I know you’ve got it in you to beat this & succeed. You know, I feel similarly about how I quit. It wasn’t a choice anymore, I HAD to. If I wanted to live. And I DID want to live. I would’ve suffered more & intense brain damage if I’d continues/picked it up again. I LITERALLY RAN from it. Didn’t want to smell it, anything. I was terrified of it. Whatever it takes I guess.. It is sad it came to this but at least we’re smart enough to have learned from it & continue to, and tell our story & help others not to make the same mistake. Not to take life for granted now that we know how fleeting life is & can be. We definitely shouldn’t be embarrassed, there are many who ignored the warnings our bodies have given us, continued & now have either permanent brain damage or are not here today. It could’ve become awfully tragic awfully quick. God Bless you & stay strong!
As far as being embarrassed, that’s a common theme we see with going through this ordeal. We’re embarrassed we didn’t know what we know now, that it’s poison, and/or that we didn’t stop sooner. This stuff was so new, we found out before doctors what this stuff does to people! Who knew we’d be educating them about this product & it’s side effects & health defects it causes. Some are downright unbelievable. Your story is an amazing one, what you’re body has gone through. I think we all know this poison had a role in your health going through this battle, if anything it attributed to it. I think you should honestly look into meditation, stress relieving techniques, scented candles or natural oils, alternative medicine & that way of living. Everyone would be good to research these things, it’s really a way of life. It’ll be much less stress on your body than the food & elements we expose ourselves to regularly without taking into consideration how healthy they are for us to be exposed to(like shampoo, sunscreen, lotions, etc., many have sulfates & chemicals we don’t need or want to have anywhere near our bodies, some/most of which can actually have an affect on our personalities & behavior, even!).
You are doing AWESOME! The fact you stopped, especially after seeing how it had gotten you even after the hospital stay is great on your part! You could have & likely would have DIED had you hit that pipe again, it was poison your body could not take at that point & Thank GOD you’re smart & realized this & that being ALIVE is far more important. Not to mention extremely less PAINFUL!
God Bless, Tom. Any help you need along the way, we’re here. There are some great people on these forums who will help immediately. We all care about you & want you to feel better & be ok. You go through many mental effects as well as physical. So it can be hard to deal with on top of everything else, so having this kind of a support system is great! We love you & want the best for you & your recovery. I’m praying for you & your health in particular. God Bless, and stay safe & take it suuuper easy! Much, much love :) -Jessica

Darkrider
6:20 pm September 19th, 2012

I’m a frequent pot user, who recently ordered two pouches of this, after reading all the problems you guys have had with spice, I’m pretty certain that I don’t wish to use it, and it will be going in the bin as soon as it arrives. I truly wish you all the best for recovery.

Addicto
3:41 am September 20th, 2012

Hello folks, Just reading these and thought I would share my experiences.I’ve loved Marijuana and smoke for probably about 4 years now. I quit MJ a while ago when K2 was popular. I have been addicted to incense/spice ever since. Now adays I am smoking Diablo, Hammerhead, Mr. Nice Guy, Kryptonite, Supernova etc etc etc. I’ve about tried them all. I smoke anywhere from .5 gram to 2 grams a day depending on how strong the incense is.

When I say addict, I am a controlled addict (if that exists). I understand how some of these posts have talked about insanity, losing family, and being alone. But, I have always managed my addiction if that is possible. I will smoke when the wife isn’t home or at night only. If my wife is home I force myself to stay sober and spend the day with her knowing that I can get high when she goes to bed early. I’ll always go to work, walk the dog, pay bills, and do housework. But I like to get high…And then walk the dog. ;-) I can’t say alot of negativity about the high itself. It does get you high, and I find myself more productive when I am on it.

BUT it does have a dark side. It is very addicting! mentally and somewhat physically for me. It needs to be used in HIGH moderation. These are untested, unmoderated chemicals. Anyone who considers smoking a joint or blunt of spice is asking for a trip to the hospital for OD. This is not weed! Do not think there is no limit!!

When I run out I suffer from slight anxiety…Mainly anxiousness from wanting more incense but being unable to get it. I suffer from sleeplessness and lack of appetite. I also struggle with a low sexual libido when withdrawing. Also slight irritibility and sweats. I am not sure which of these are mental and physical. I know it has alot of mental pull with me because I become a depressed d@*# when I am out.

Long story short, If you haven’t tried it, DONT! In moderation it can be ok but it comes with many troubles!!

I’ve had a couple bad trips where I smoked to much and thought I was dying as well but if I maintain a level head it always seemed to dissipate and I would play it off as just being high. Good luck all!

majiks
4:07 pm September 20th, 2012

Im 19 male from australia, and tonight i got some synthetic weed from a mate that said , the guy at the tobaccanist said that it was really strong, so i said whatever , i had 2 cones and i was ok, then later on the night i had another 2 cones from a bong of the synthetic stuff, about 2 mins after i exhaled, i was sittin in my computer chair, lights closed in my room and only the computer screens light on. it felt like my heart was pounding through my neck and my ears, and it just wouldnt stop beating. then i started trippping out with my eyes, i don’t know what was happening but i was so scared, everything looked cartoony, and i kept doing reppetitive things with my eyes, kept looking at the floor, then the bed, then the computer screen and i would keep tripping out and i had to lay in bed with the lights off and everything and it was just scaring me, everything looked like a shade of blue. i was horrified and still am, only happend to me 2 hours ago ( from when im writing this), i seriously kept thinking in my head ” WTF IS GOING ON I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING TO ME, why is my vision like” i couldnt concentrate on anything,i was seriously crying from my soul, thats what it felt like, so much inner pain. i felt scared to walk inside the loungeroom where my brother n hes friends were, i just laid down in bed trying to relax, then after 10 mins of having a episode, i started to calm down and it went away. Btw ive been smoking weed for close to 3 years now, and this was the first time i tried synthetic weed.

-thanks

713ashely
1:32 pm September 21st, 2012

I smoked a new one called Klimax by Kush and I only took a drag and I have been feeling like crap for the last three days! I can’t feel my legs they are all tingling and it hasn’t gone away! Its crazy I feel bad! I stepped on a tack that was on my living room floor and I didn’t feel it I just noticed my foot felt heavy and I look down and I had a tack in my foot! I feel like I’m in this daze I can’t even think straight and I figured it would go away by now I’m on day three after smoking! I was wondering how can I get this outta my system?

GORDON
2:57 am September 23rd, 2012

Hi Jaseeka1986,
Thinkin of you, sounds like your doing so well!! Proud of you, Jessica
You go girl!!
Gordon

Donovan
9:07 pm September 24th, 2012

I felt pretty good about this stuff from the beginning.. then everything changed… The night before last I smoked a bit and played Dead Island, a game in which you kill zombies. Everything went as usual… then I began to feel a bit “strange”. I found it was harder for me to focus on more than one thing… Being that I would play, then look at the tv and found I had been staring at the tv for 30minutes, and had died numerous times ingame. Now this is no problem… But then i found that my knees were starting to feel weird. The fact that I felt how it would be if you sat on the toilet for a long period of time and acquired sleep in your leg, a constant tickling needle but coldness around my toes and heel. I couldn’t feel my lips either and constantly licked at them to make sure I could, realizing that, when coming to for a short period of time before going back into the trance, that my tongue was infact pushed out of my mouth and extended far to the left where my whole face sagged and had no feeling. I then turned the game off and went to sleep.
Last night… was the scariest time in my life and the near death feeling made me give up smoking anything from Hookah, to this, to even the real stuff. I smoked a bit and felt decent… even making jokes about how harmless it was to my wife. Then after a second I found that my body to brain function was damn near cut off. I would talk and found my lips weighed 100 lbs a piece. Then I noticed that my heart was at about 120 bpm and I felt terrified. I remember walking into the bedroom of my mother-in-laws gripping my chest and neck trying to find a pulse. They sat me down and tried to test my blood pressure and heart rate. They seemed to come back slightly high but they noted that my whole body was pale as a ghost. I was terrified… sitting there I felt as though I was swallowing myself..That my lifeforce was falling down my gullet and if I didn’t pull myself out in time I was dead for sure.
Suddenly, my heartbeat vanished… I couldn’t feel it, nor could I hear it inside my head and I cried hard. Suddenly thoughts of my life rushed to my head that I would be another statistic of the drug… What everyone would think… how my family would feel, how my wife would make it without me… but most importantly, my brothers and how they would live through life with a dead 20 yr old brother.
I still don’t feel well… My vision isn’t clear at all and I feel like I have to try extremely hard to focus. I don’t notice things until I think upon them. For instance, I went to eat and bit my tongue (I believe) and was like oh… I taste blood. Because all I could focus on was tasting my food, not the pain. My finger tips dance across the keyboard as I write this as they’re all I can focus on atm. Music has stopped playing and I can’t even bring myself to change the song because It will take me off track to this… I was scared to sleep last night because I was scared I wouldn’t wake up. I figure that I will feel better with some sleep. Thanks for taking the time to read this.
~Don

dakota bryant
6:59 am September 30th, 2012

i am 16 years old i have smoked weed for about a year now.Tonight about 9:30 i smoked some spice called mean green.I am still feeling the high i took 1 hit and i lost it i walked into my cousins house and i started to trip at first i was just standing there i couldn’t see anyone but i could hear voices i thought i was asleep but i see blurs about my life i had my eyes close i hit my head against the table and i hit the refrigerator so hard that i broke the door i started to swing at everything people i beg u not to do this stuff real weed will never do this to you this stuff is very very bad for you i am begging you not do to it I am 16 years old i have a 4.0 GPA i have a scholarship to Purdue university and i hate my life now weed should be legal yes spice no do not do this

Andre
3:52 pm September 30th, 2012

DON’T TRY THIS DRUG!
I went to a party and we were just smokin weed with some guys. Then some guy told me it wasn’t weed right after I took my last hit! Like 10 mins later I was freaking out and didn’t know what was going on. I was so paranoid and I had to leave the party and walk back to campus. I felt like everyone was watching me and I could only think negative things about myself! It felt like it took forever but I managed to get back to my dorm. I layer in my bed for 6 hours and I felt like I was goin to die. I thought about calling the ambulance so many times! My heart felt like it was going to explode, I thought I had seriously messed up my entire life! That was yesterday and I still don’t feel the same! I really hope this weird effect goes away soon!

andres
6:37 pm October 1st, 2012

the first time i smoked spice i took 2 hits in a row within 5 minutes my face felt numb things started turning 3D my vision then started getting blurry before i knew it i was seeing black i could only hear my friends i didnt recognize their voices anymore though i no longer remembered anything. my body started to feel as if i was being spinned downward like in a roller coaster or something but it kept spinning faster and faster to the point where i felt like it was hurting me physically i felt like i was being tortured and i felt like i was dying i would even ask myself “did i get hit by a car or something so fast that i didnt even notice it” this lasted for at least 10 minutes till i opened my eyes and saw everyone my memory slowly started coming back but still wen i would close my eyes for a sec i would feel the feeling coming back so i would quickly open them and keep my self awake i nevfer smoked that same brand of spice ever again… but i still smoke other brands and i think i am becoming quite addicted i only think of when to smoke it and who to smoke it with..

julia
11:08 am October 5th, 2012

Spice sux ive been smoking this stuff for the same mount of time and i have the same exact problems…. And withdraws ws the worse this in the world waking up running to the bathroom puking going to bed shaking waking up drenched and shaking i would get chills non stop… I spit up black mucus non stops… Im dizzy all the time… I have.memory loss like forgettig something going bacj to get it then forgetting why i came back…. Idk whats going to happen to me but ive never felt this sick before and its been going on ever since i smoked it…. Now i cant put it down ill go a couple days without it because if i dont i know that this will progress faster and may even kill me… But when im off it i cant eat or sleep i have heart pains nerve pains muscle spasms… I feel so horrible right now and it only getting worse day by day… Ive went to hospitals and they cant fix me… But i didnt tell them i smoked this cuse ive never really have a real trip of this the only stuff ive ever really tripped off of was salvia and thats the only other strong drug ive tried… So its not me just freaking out… I want people to learn from this tht just because its legal doesnt mean anything this stuff is addictive and it messes with ur everyday life… Im not me anymore and its ruining alot of things…I smoked this stuff everyday for 5 months but all together 7 months… And this is what its doing to me ^

Mark
1:14 pm October 5th, 2012

OMG>>>>>>>>>>> When you read symptoms of heart attack and see impending doom….. This is what they were talking about. I felt like I was progressively dying for five minutes. It was the worst feeling I have ever experienced. I’m not sure if it’s cause I hit it to hard like back in the day or what. This stuff is not weed. It’s not even close. This is a freakin man made chemical that is dangerous. The manufacturer of this company should be sued. Closest i’ve ever been to death was one hit later after smoking this BS. I called my buddy and told him to immediately get here that I was dying. Ten minutes later I let him know I was ok and explained I felt like I wasn’t going to come back from this horrible feeling. SCARY AS >>>>

ADDICTED
6:43 pm October 6th, 2012

dont smoke spice or wat ever u call it now i almost died my heart almost gave out on me water water water was da only thing that kept me from dyingg i have been in gang fights shotings but i never felt so scared and close to death dont smoke it no more its diffrent u will die im lucky to be alive water saved me from crossing to da next life da new ingredients are super addicting but yor heart can onlytake so much trusmt me im a true smoker i smoke weedall day but had to stop for a job test trow it away thats. why i smoked spice smokers stick together and i dont want non of u to dye. if u have to smoke smoke weed i have some spice left and i still want to smoke it im so dumb

Jaseeka1986
9:01 am October 7th, 2012

@Gordon Hi there! I wrote to you a bit to touch base, on the forum: “Smoking herbal incense effects”. I hope you’re doing much better physically since the injury. Thank you so much, I really appreciate the well wishes & kind words you gave me above!:) God Bless you & Take care of yourself! :) much, much love! -Jessica

Anon
9:13 pm October 7th, 2012

about 7 months ago, i took 2 hits of this. i thought i was going to die for 2 weeks straight. i have high blood pressure now and i know i have had some brain damage from it, so 1 long term effect is high blood pressure. i should have stuck to my first instinct about it and not even tried it NOT EVEN ONCE. one of the biggest mistakes in my life because i have high blood pressure, sensitivity to caffeine, and i cant smoke weed anymore now.

noemi
3:57 am October 10th, 2012

I’m also very conserned about my husband he has a bad cough!!! Thought he was getting sick but its lasted a while and after reading all of these I’m very worried!!!! Don’t know what to do???

TomH
1:38 am October 11th, 2012

Ok, it’s been a while since I’ve popped my head in here, but allow me to give an update on what’s going on with me. Jaseeka, I just read your post, God bless you darlin’ for caring about me, you have no idea how heart warming that is, when coming from someone you’ve never really met, I bet we’d be best of friends had we crossed paths before, you really are that cool!!! I’m realizing a lot of time has passed, and I hope that you didn’t think that I dropped dead over all this nonsense, which is very plausible. Well, if you read my other post, you know that I’ve been struggling to kick this fake weed stuff -that really makes real weed seem as harmless as cotton candy! This stuff nis no joke, and after my medical issues, that I whole heartedly believe was derived from smoking this, I had a couple relapses, but FORTUNATELY the guys at the corner gas station told me they no longer can sell this spice, and they were one of the last ones selling it despite the new Florida laws that banned pretty much all combinations of the main ingredient, they had a lawyer that pretty much kept them in the loop, and as the laws were inforced, they stayed barely within it as the manufactures would simply just change a small variation of the chemical to make it exempt from being on that Control/level 2 narcotics, which is a felony, and I really worried about that a lot, I would have visions of me walking out after a purchase only to get tackled by undercovers just for buying $10 worth of that stuff, that’s really not how you want to get off of drugs is by being incarcerated, life would surely suck if not downright impossible to endure, and considering what I have in my system (Jaseeka knows), well the thought alone would give me the worst sensation, SO I had no choice but to stop, but I really wonder if I was strong enough to stop smoking that on my own. I think the worst part of all this was when it was enjoyable, I think that’s what keeps people going back for more. So, when they said no more spice, I said well, I HAVE to stop now, I got no other choice……I was bracing for this big withdrawl episode that I was gonna have to endure, and I’ll be quite honest, and maybe it’s because of the medication I’m currently taking, but I never had any withdraws at all, thank God!! Now, I still feel this loud ringing in my ears, which I had when coming off prescription meds, I even have it now, but I don’t have any real symptoms that rob me of sleep and that sort of thing. Jaseeka, you mentioned how strong I was, but really that is not the case, I am lucky to be alive right now, and all these people that keep hitting that stuff, please know there will be a finality to this lifestyle, it can and will kill you if you keep smoking it, and the cops are getting aggressive too with this stuff, I mean who wants to have a felony on their record for life, or have to spend time in jail? It’s totally not worth it, listen to Jaseeka, here’s someone that is really compassionate towards anyone who needs reaching out to, and knows what she’s talking about! Thanks again for being there my friend, and here’s to a clear path ahead, with more than a fighting chance to succeed, thanks so much!

georgeisabamf
2:46 am October 14th, 2012

glad I am not the alone one who conquered this stuff!! I have been clean for a couple months now with no relapse. I quit when my county (Pasco County, FL) banned the sale of ALL synthetic marijuana (not just a particular chemical, but all of it) and I knew it was either I drove to another county and searched for the stuff in areas I had no idea of where the sellers were, or I just quit outright.

I am so happy I chose to quit. I still have some differences in my life that I blame my 1 or so years of daily spice smoking to, namely the fact that I SUCK in social situations now, talking to new people scares me and I get panic attacks from it, I get hot and sweaty and my heart races and whatnot, it isn’t fun. But at least I don’t rely on such a dirty high to get through my life. I had withdrawals and couldn’t sleep for a while but it’s calmed down and is manageable now, I hope that all of you can quit before it’s too late like I did.

I hope I don’t have these side effects forever, but as aforementioned, it’s a lot better than living off spice just to make me feel “normal” again.

lU87
5:40 am October 15th, 2012

I’ve been smoking for about a year. Lately it’s gotten out of control and I’ve been smoking 3g a day (Zenscense). I’ve spent WAY more than I could afford on this crap. I’ve always struggled with addiction, but this stuff made me it’s bitch. The only other drug that was able to sink its teeth so deep was opiates. I noticed the addiction got out of control after the last ban wave (when dascents was illegallized). I ordered the new generation online, which was very different, and my use skyrocketed.
Recently I realized I’ve just been kicking a dead horse, and I decided to clean up. Been clean a day and a half. I’m glad I found this blog because I thought I was being a pussy. Good to know I’m not the only one kicking. My brain isn’t right, cough, cold sweats, and vomiting. Not to mention the mess I’ve made of my life that I have yet to deal with. But I am feeling less depressed now that I’ve decided to stop

GORDON
12:04 pm October 15th, 2012

Dear lU87,
You have recognized what is happening to you. What you were searching for when you began I don’t know, you should think about that and make your own judgement. There are things in our lives that are difficult to see and understand, some of these things start to effect us in ways that we also don’t see. Our friends see it and some disapear, your life is about you, you can’t make everyone happy at your expense. Starting today put yourself in first place, do the best for yourself. The people that you hang with, most likely the newer ones need someone to do what their doing to make it alright, it’s a form of support but for the wrong reasons. This morning go out look up at the sky, breath the air and think of the good things around you and how you can add to them. You have what it takes to have a better life and recieve the many blessings that are there for you in sobriety. Good will enter your life, let go of where you’ve been and stay in the moment.
God be with you,
Gordon

GORDON
12:14 pm October 15th, 2012

dear georgeisabamf,
I was also shy and my self esteem had been taken away by life, being told your a failure and don’t bother to try things your just wasting your time does have a devestating result. Affraid of what you say or how you act will make you unwanted. It took me many years and much suffering to turn my thoughts around, I went to meetings, AA, I found courses at community schools on well being, I kept aware if something said made me feel bad. Keep working on you, have your own goals and wishes they will come to you but not if your still trying to escape. “FACE UP TO LIFE WITH THE SMILE OF SUCCESS”
God Bless You and is with you,
Gordon

GORDON
12:19 pm October 15th, 2012

Dear Jaseeka1986,
Jessica :-),
I am trying to find the correct solution for some of my difficulties. I would like to speak with you but I don’t know how not to break your anominity or mine. If you have an idea please let me know.
Gordon

GORDON
12:25 pm October 15th, 2012

Dear noemi,
If you know what he’s doing ask him in a lovingf way and tell him your affraid and how progression is a guarantee. It’s a dark road he going down, tell him you love him and your dreams with him and go from there.
Pray

Mariel
2:27 am October 16th, 2012

Hey Jaseeka I wanted to tell you that I’m 100% now after using that stuff that one time I let that toxic get out of my body it took my body like 3 to 4 wks to be back to normal and ur words truly helped me u actually knew what u were talking about (continue helping others ur awesome :-) and I haven’t been experiencing anything since. It still scares feels that other people are still using and that its still being sold out there.This cant never be compare with marijuana.

I haven’t smoke marijuana since I was 17 and i’m 25 now and i thought one try of this wouldnt be nothing since its legal and being sold in stores. So it really bothered me when I was being told here that I was addicted and so on.This stuff completely messes u up for a couple of wks but if you dont use it again and let ur body get rid of those chemicals you dont need any type of medication for those who arent heavy users… n just try to sorround urself with people u trust and happy thoughts … God bless…

ALLY
1:10 am October 17th, 2012

My husband could have killed us. The following is our nightmare, our very own horror movie came to life for us this past Sunday morning.
Quick side note – I am a Christian as is my husband. My husband loves my daughter and myself more than his own life. He has been our protector and provider and would never in a million years lay a hand on either of us until this Sunday when he tried the ‘natural’ incense called Gold Rush to alleviate pain from a kidney stone attack.
In the past my husband has been able to smoke weed to help with the pain of kidney stones but due to drug testing at work he has stopped using marijuana medicinally or otherwise.
So my daughter and I, hating seeing him suffer, decided to buy him some rush from the local head shop. Some of her friends are using it and we figured why not. It’s legal and it’s supposedly just like mj. I did a little research on it but didn’t find anything too bad. Unless you search with the proper key words (ie. psychosis + spice) most sites only mention very slight bad affects if any at all.
He smoked a little bit Friday night (couple hits if that) and he felt amazing – took his pain away instantly. Saturday he smoked a few hits randomly throughout the day and was still fine. Sunday morning he woke up and said he didn’t need the stuff anymore as his kidney stones had passed but for some reason decided to take one hit anyway.
I was in bed reading a book while he went for a shower and shave. He came out of the bathroom at one point to give me a kiss (which is normal, he’s an amazing husband and loves me dearly) and then went back into the bathroom. I remember thinking it was weird the amount of time he was taking in the bathroom but didn’t really give it much thought.
This is when our hell began. He suddenly walked out of the bathroom, immediately stripped out of his clothes and in a voice i’ve never heard before told me he was god. He was yelling at me in the scariest voice while advancing on me. I knew within 2 seconds that my life and my daughter’s life was in danger and that the man coming at me was in no way my husband, he was literally not there. He continued to rant while trying to attack myself, my daughter and my dog. He would yell something in that scary deep voice and then would say ‘snap’ after every sentence. I inherently knew that I couldn’t argue with him or do anything to anger him more than he was. He was calling me the devil and saying awful things. He trashed my daughter’s room while I stood in front of her trying to protect her. She had her phone and called 911 but she was so scared and couldn’t stop screaming in terror so i took her phone and just kept repeating our address over and over. Every time i’d look at a possible weapon he would grab it so all i could do was become submissive and pray. I also knew that if i was to find a weapon he would have it out of my hands in a second flat and would probably use it on me. He was not my husband. After 11 minutes on the phone with 911 (the terror in whole lasted about 25 mins) the police showed up. At that exact moment he snapped out of it. His face completely changed and registered extreme confusion and fright. He saw the trashed room and the terror on our faces and had no clue what had happened. He was taken to the hospital by the police where I picked him up about an hour later.
I know in my heart that God was protecting us that morning. Satan was using this drug to take all of us out. I know it without a doubt. But he overplayed his hand. My parents are pastors and pray for all of us on a daily basis and we were protected – traumatized to the extreme but protected. He was attacking us but some force didn’t allow him to actually hurt us. At one point he reached around me and grabbed my daughter’s hair, my poor girl, but somehow never actually harmed us.
I now have to find a counsellor for my daughter. She is sad and despondent. I am still afraid, not of my husband but I keep replaying what happened over and over. It was a scene played straight out of an exorcist movie.
My husband can’t recall a bit of it. He remembers being in the bathroom, looking in the mirror thinking he needed to be a better soldier for God and that is the last thing he knows until he came to in my daughter’s room. He believed he was all powerful, that he was actually God. He would flick a wall like he was making it disappear. He is now having flashes but not actual memory of the experience.
I’m not sure how to fix this except to pray and pray. My daughter and I are having a hard time thinking about anything else. It has been only two days but the trauma of the experience is over powering.
I feel extremely lucky though. What satan wanted to happen didn’t. This experience has been a wake up call to us spiritually. We are now seeking counselling from our Church that we never attend but will be now.
I am putting a plan into motion to bring awareness to the head shops in my town. I am from Canada where this stuff is legal. The consequences of this drug are beyond anything a person could imagine. I am on a mission and will do anything I can to help make this illegal.
If you are addicted to this drug please pray for God’s help to come off it and seek help from other sources. If you are thinking about trying it, don’t do it. The possibility of you killing yourself or someone else is very real, never mind the health issues people suffer from using this drug. I will pray for you if you would like, just post on here to let me know.
I also wanted to mention that Saturday I had a bad feeling about my husband smoking it. An inner voice was saying somethings not right even though there were no outward signs displayed at that point. I didn’t listen to that inner voice which i know was God trying to warn me. Listen to your inner voice, I wish I had. Everything happens for a reason but having a hard time making peace with the fact that my daughter saw such a horrifying thing.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and thanks to all of you for posting your experiences. For those of you still struggling you are in my prayers.
Ally

Tyler T
8:03 am October 17th, 2012

Hey Ally, could you prey for me? I’ve been having a hard time being addicted to this.

ALLY
1:23 pm October 17th, 2012

Dear Tyler T I am praying for you right now. Please keep me posted and know that you can pray as well. Christian or not God will hear you and he does answer prayer. If you can seek outside help from a professional or even from a local church please do. This is a scary drug and quitting it won’t be easy on your own. But you can do it. God Bless you Tyler.

ALLY
10:47 pm October 20th, 2012

How are you doing Tyler?

anon
12:55 am October 23rd, 2012

@GORDON … Thanks for reply (lU87). I honestly have no idea what I find so appealing about drugs. I’ve had a pretty descent life growing up, and it’s great now (minus the last couple months). My family does have a history of drug use, and I’ve always been a wildman. Could very well be something deeper though…

I can’t tell you how much better I feel after quitting (approx. 2 weeks). I still have all sorts of problems to straighten out, but atleast now I have some hope. Pretty much fucked myself out of graduating college this year, destroyed my wife’s trust, pissed my parents off, threw away my summer savings, and more. These things can be fixed with time and money, it’s just frustrating. I essentially froze in time while life kept moving, and now I must catch up and make amends.

The silver lining to this experience is that I have decided to remain sober. Looking back, drugs haven’t done one good thing for me. I’m putting them down.

BEST OF LUCK TO ALL WHO ARE STRUGGLING

JoeBuddy
8:31 pm October 23rd, 2012

To Jaseeka1986,
I’ve had my info changed, if I don’t hear back I want you say God is with you and there are no coincidences.
All of the Best Jessica,
An old friend!!

DJ
10:28 pm October 24th, 2012

Hi, I have been smoking this stuff since basicly janurary. I believe i am very addicted i can not go long at all without smoking or i feel like my world is ending and there is nothing to life. I smoke about 3.5 grams a day. i am spending so much money. But now i am having serious inside pains. i know this stuff is doing serious damage to me and i can not stop. i dont know what to do at this point but i truely believe if i dont do something i will be dead soon. if someone knows how they can help me please let me know. I want to stop this completly.

Abel
7:46 pm October 27th, 2012

Hey…

I tried this legal weed yesterday for the first time. I usually smoke the real thing and not this fake stuff but yesterday a couple of friends wanted to try it and they convinced me to do it. I took like 2 pretty good hits and 15 seconds later I was having the worst experience I have ever felt in my entire life. I had passed out for like 10 min is what they said but i promise you it felt like it would never end. It felt like i had died and i was looking at myself from a distance and i could hear my friends saying “Ayo is he okay? Nah he’s trippin, he’ll be okay, just leave him alone for a little bit.” While i was going through this i was feeling the worst pain a person can feel in my chest. I couldnt get back to myself the pain was so intense… My friends said i was screaming in a low way which sounded creepy. But looking back at it i think that was me struggling so hard to stay sane. To be back to normal… I promise you i thought i was dead. With what i was feeling i would of rather died…. but the pain would never stop i thought i was going to go on for ever just feeling the pain i felt in my chest. I had already accepted that i was going to die and i just wanted to pain to stop. I thought i was the friend that was going to die and be an example to the others to quit doing shit like this… You don’t understand what i went though… even today the next day i feel traumatized about the whole thing… Please i would never recommend anyone to try this.. i would stay with the real stuff. But after that happened im probably going to quit smoking and drinking altogether. I feel like i got a second chance at life because i didnt die. Please dont ever try it.

Gordon
9:22 pm October 28th, 2012

Dear Anon aka 1U87,
Hope is a main ingredient of acceptance and shows the willingness and desire to change. I got a small notebook and as thoughts came up I wrote them down, this enabled me to focus rather than go over them time and time again, waste of time and energy.
Evaluate your college situation, do you feel you can’t pull it off or is there someone, professor, guidance, tutor, classmate that can come up with a solution method. I believe some things that seem lost aren’t, it could be mostly how you feel or even what others have talked you into, folks around you often lay this shit on us as a passive way to beat us up or feel shame.
Your wife, parents, and others may not come around for a while this is where the to yourself be true comes in. I had to juggle their emotions and do what was good for my rebuild in order to get back on track. What I’m saying is don’t allow others to keep you down, shit happens and I don’t know what some folks get out of beating you up for yesterdays mistakes forcing us to waste today. THIS has to be their problem not yours. I found doing my best everyday and showing that your commited should work well and for the haters again thats nothing you can change, we can only work on us. After 37 years w/o a drink of any kind there are still those who try to judge me today for that time so many years ago. Yes I have had times when I did this or that but even those days are like ancient history. Many times you’ll find the ones throwing the biggest stones have many times the past you’ve had their hiding it by keeping you up front. Stick with it, don’t let anyone discourage you or make themselves look good at your expense. Spend time with sober, happy people who see the true you and distance the rest as hard as that will be. Keep in touch if you’de like and I’ll be here for you, that keeps me sober and on track.
Gordon

SWIM
3:03 am October 30th, 2012

Me and a few friends decided to get together and pitch in on some weed. we couldn’t find a dealer so we decided to get some spice (I had never tried it before, but everyone else said they had done it and it was great, so i joined in on it) one of our 18 yo friends went in to buy it and when he came back he said “The dude behind the counter was like “We dont sell ‘SPICE’ but we do have potpourri” this made me a bit iffy on the situation but i went along anyways. we get to my house, as is for the usual smoke sesh, and start smoking. my first hit burnt my lungs really bad and tasted HORRIBLE, but i got a ok (kinda like weed but i could tell it was weird) feeling almost instantly, everybody took two hits and was doing fine until my chest started hurting and i could barley stand then one of the girls in the group became very un-responsive and reported having intense hallucinations(she was barely intelligible, but , then she started vomiting over and over again, then passed out. we woke her up when we had sobered up and she was still acting funny, we couldn’t understand a word she was saying. we started to panic, googling “spice side effects” ect.ect. and the results were only scaring us even more, then she finally came to and we were all asking her if she was ok and what not. she described it as being in hell for what seemed like forever. even tho i had an ok (other than the chest pains) time, this experience makes me never want to touch the stuff again.

i hope everyone learns that this is NOT a safe drug NOR does it feel similar to marijuana in any way, and the people who make this “potpourri” get arrested for the crimes they commit everyday.

jazzyfresh
3:15 pm October 30th, 2012

i smoked this stuff and weed many times before and ive had trips on spice like none other. the last two times ive tripped were the absolute worst and i will never touch this shit ever again. i felt death. i was minutes away from dying. i said my last words. i felt my heart beating and my pulse in every place you can check for a pulse. i needed something to concentrate on so maybe i could get out of the trip, i started playing a game on my ipad, i couldnt even figure out how i lost control i couldnt even find one single reason to hang on to life. there was no holding on because that was death you cant escape it. i had to bargain with the grim reaper who wasnt like you see in movies he was in my head. he was telling me that because i was being a stubborn bitch and walking around trying to regulate my heart beat i couldnt die but if i so much as smoked one more hit he would burry me where ever i was. i saw a casket come up it started slow where my feet were and then over time it came closer to my eyes. it was nothing that anyone could stop. i wanted to call 911 and stop it so bad i wanted to but my boyfriend told me i was tripping and he wrestled the phone out of my hand. if this wasnt death, than it was what it would feel like for sure. i feel like i have the devil inside of me, i dont know what to do i am so scared to die i am so scared to sleep. my boyfriend wont stop smoking it. but i sound like im a freak, but it happened to me i just cant explain what DEATH feels like. you dont care, you lose everything, nothing matters, youre going to be gone and nothing at all matters. except the person you leave with because you know what they are going to have to deal with the rest of their life. they saw you die in their bed, and you told them “im dying” and they didnt believe you.

Gordon
11:01 pm October 30th, 2012

Dear SWIM,
I sure hope the negative expierience you’all had will close the door to trying anything like this again. My thoughts make me wonder why with all this info. on horrible highs (if they can be called that) people are having why do people like us still go ahead with no regard for the what it does to our brains and lungs. I’m sure that I am older than most on this blog but trust me one day when you need everything we’ve been blessed with someday you may wish you took better care of yourself. I SURE DO! Try to see the sunshine in life as much as you can because there really is a fine line when it comes to our brains, thoughts, and even perception. Please keep in touch there are a lot of folks that need you to succeed. You might want to open a dialog with “Jaseeka1986″ she’s got it down!
Gordon

Jaseeka1986
7:11 am November 4th, 2012

@GORDON, @Tom H., @Mariel & @JoeBuddy:
@GORDON Hi there! I have been gone for a bit because I was in the hospital for about 2 weeks. It was unrelated to the spice use/effects, thank God. I don’t have much time right now, but I juts had to write you, as well as everyone else who’s been so awesome, supportive & all-around great, to let you all know where I’ve been and why haven’t responded yet to anyone in particular. I may need surgery soon, it would be minor, but any surgery is still scary since I’ve never had it before! It’s crazy Gordon that you, Tom H. & I have all had medical problems lately, around the same time.. That’s just a weird coincidence I think! They say things “come in 3′s”, like pregnancies, etc.. But as to your question above, I have a YouTube account with my screenname “Jaseeka1986″, if you could create a screenname or account on YouTube, (all you need is an email account to do so) then we could communicate anonymously through that channel. Then I could give you my screenname. If this won’t work, then just let me know & I’ll post my email account, I doubt I’d get many uninvited/unsolicited emails by doings so. It’d be worth it to be able to communicate. :) So if you can get on YouTube, just go to this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLoFoPPybXc&list=FLX9ZipWvK5v_LI2HwcVAHkQ&index=19&feature=plpp_video
and find where I’ve commented, either reply or click on my screenname & it’ll bring you to my channel where you can “private message” me(by clicking on my name again). God Bless you & stay strong as always, Gordon!!! -Jessica
@Tom H. Hi Tom! :) I read your great message, and I am so thankful to get such kind words from someone, I wish it hadn’t taken me so long to say so!! I myself just got out of the hospital, I was there for about 2 weeks for something unrelated to this spice, thank God. It’s been a rough time healthwise for all of us it seems! I’m so glad to hear about you going strong, and really appreciate the updates as far as what all you’ve been through since last time we’ve caught up. I do know, that if it weren’t for the brain damage & inability to handle smoking this, that if that hadn’t happened, I’m positive I would’ve picked it back up, so I completely understand about the pull it has, as you said. It is very strong. Especially because when it builds up in your system it can sway your thinking ability as well, so it makes it easier to be coerced sometimes into smoking or buying it. It took something like not being able to purchase it legally anymore, as well as brain damage for me to break it. So it is great that they can’t sell it anymore locally in your town, so you can not have that near you at all. I know in Florida they’re hardcore about drug laws. Kentucky adopts many of them, too! And I’m in KY, too. But at least if they make it illegal people will be more tempted to use marijuana rather than this poison, especially if it’s the same consequence. We both know which is healthier! Keep staying strong, I really do believe you are after everything you’ve been through. It’s evident to anyone who’s read a post of yours.. The best advice I can give to any friend going through this & trying to stay away for good: Surround yourself with positive people & things(TV, internet, activities)-people you trust, and of course, eat non-processed foods(fruits & vegetables-organic) & take Calcium, Vitamin C & Vitamin D supplements, usually everyone can do this(but check with your doctor first).. :) Whenever you need me I’ll definitely be here, if you ever do. Thank you for being a great friend! Keep us updated on your progress, we all care for you very much! Much love & God Bless, Tom. -Jessica :)
@Mariel AWESOME!! That’s so great you’re feeling at 100% again, that’s huge for anyone who’s been down from this poison. It means the world to someone to be able to think regularly & feel regularly once again, it seems so far away at times while battling through this. So I’m so happy for you, Mariel! I SO appreciate the kind words, too, they mean a whole lot to me. It was very painful going through such a thing and I never want anyone to go through it alone or with hardship, especially without anyone to console them or be there for them. I’ll continue to pray & thank God for everyday you feel at 100%. Thanks for taking the time to say such nice & inspiring words, it says a lot. :) Stay strong, healthy & happy. Much love & God Bless you, girl! :) -Jessica
@JoeBuddy Hi old friend. ;) So nice to hear that! Sometimes posts make me tear up, and for sure this one did. :) May you have all the blessings God can give. I return your beautiful words if I can! I’ll try that’s for sure :) I hope this message finds you well & you continue to succeed & do well in whatever you strive for, daily. Thanks again, friend.. Stay strong & positive as you are!! Much love to you & God Bless, Joe. -Jessica

Alex
1:12 am November 6th, 2012

people should never smoke weed or any drug for that matter because believe it or not it will catch up with you and you can die from it. a lot of people say theres more positive reasons for smoking weed than negative reasons but those people are wrong.

Blah
8:09 am November 9th, 2012

I’ve used this stuff before around a year a two ago and thought everyone and there symptoms were crazy. Took many hits and definitely was high but didn’t feel crazy or anything. Was never addicted or anything, used it sparingly until gone.

Today I bought some new stuff after not using for quite some time. My mistake was thinking that they’re all the same and you can take as many hits as you like. As many of said, moderation is key. If you absolutely feel like you have to use this stuff for some reason or another, don’t go all out. Best advice is to not use at all. But I really honest to god thought that tonight would be my last night alive after about 10 minutes. Scariest feeling ever thinking you are really going to die. I thought about my family, my two little brothers, my girlfriend of 3 years, my future career after finishing grad school. Everything as I knew it was soon to be no more. I just remember at one point “Yelling” my girlfriends name because I just could not leave her, not like that. It wasn’t fair for anyone, not for a high. Once the death feeling wore off my heart was beating so hard I felt like it was just going to explode. Really you can’t put that death feeling into words, but just know it is probably the most terrifying thing by far that can happen to anyone.

saisha
8:36 am November 9th, 2012

hello everyone no one should be smoking this ….it should be bannd. i myself have never done it. but at this very moment my baby brother of nineteen is sittin in the hospital .. from this.. it started as votmiting an being very gassy to something very very bad. i tookj him to the er three time an they told him it was a ulsar.. my mom took him in this tusesday they did a xray they thought they saw gallstone an sent him to a bigger bigger hospital where they did a ctscan an found that there are stones but they arent the issue. the hospial is running multipal test cause his liver an kiddnies are failing him. the doc said that most ppl have gall stones an dont know it cause they are in a gall ducked to cause pain.,. the liver failing will make your skin an eyes yellow an your kiddnies failing your pee will be bloody this is for real the it needs to stop

Francesca
3:20 pm November 11th, 2012

MY BOYFRIEND DIED 2 DAYS AGO FROM SPICE OVERDOSE. THERE HAS BEEN AN AUTOPSY. IT WILL CONFIRM THIS. PLEASE STOP DOING THIS. NOW I HAVE LOST THE LOVE OF MY LIFE. THE NEGATIVE SYMPTOMS ARE CLEARLY TELLING YOU IT IS POISON AND YOUR BODY IS REJECTING IT. I AM SO LOST WITHOUT HIM!

Jaseeka1986
6:06 am November 14th, 2012

@Francesca Oh my goodness. May God bless you, Francesca. I am sorry beyond any words. I am sending love to you through prayer & good wishes. If ever you want someone to lean on through talk or any other way I can help, just let me know anytime anywhere. I promise I will be here. I cannot deny anyone who needs help, we all want the same if we’re in need. I hope you visit this forum again so you can read these words. I want you to know our loved ones never leave us. This Universe is supreme & we are all a part of it. We are all energy & energy continues. We will see our loved ones again. Time is a complicated thing to understand, so when we finally do meet our loved ones again, it may not seem like any time has passed. I think time will then be irrelevant & that we will all just feel an extremely intense love.
God bless you, your boyfriend, your family, all your loved ones. May you have all the support you need or desire during this time. There are many great people here on this forum who will send you love, and help you if you ever need it.
I completely share your pain, Francesca. I can feel it through your words when I read them. We must always spread love, that is what life is all about, the only important thing in the Universe. Love sustains you. We need it as much as food. Science has even proven this, though we already knew this! Keep your dearest love in your memories always. Remember he wants nothing more then for you to be happy, to smile. He loves you very much.
If you have a good family, keep them close. They will take care of you. There are some wonderful people out there. Maybe even a forum with people who’ve had a similar experience as you, we can find comfort in knowing we’re not alone, and also that if we help one another through a tough time in their life, that will translate into helping someone else, so on & so forth! Again, God Bless you, girl. Your story has completely touched me & I want you to never be sad, ever. So, so much love to you!! -Jessica :)

ALLY
8:06 pm November 17th, 2012

Francesca I am so sorry for your incredible loss! My thoughts and prayers are with you.
I cannot fathom the horrific pain you must be experiencing right now. Thank you for posting even while going through this nightmare. Others need to know what this drug has done and is doing. I know without a doubt that my husband was meant to murder my daughter and myself. Satan is using this drug with all his might right now. He meant for us to die knowing that when my husband snapped out of his delusion he would have killed himself seeing what he had done. Not everyone believes in the supernatural but there is a common theme in all the above experiences – death and hell.

God is the reason my family is alive today. You are all in my prayers daily – prayer is a powerful weapon and without my parents praying for us daily my little family wouldn’t be alive because of this drug.

Francesca we are praying that you will find peace and comfort and relief in the agony you are experiencing right now. The thought of losing my husband is to much to bear and the fact that you have lost the love of your life this way is impossibly wrong and unfair.

God Bless you dear Francesca.

CandL
11:32 pm November 18th, 2012

Everyone has her or his own tolerance to certain chemicals/drugs. My wife and I have been using this for the past 3 years. Both in our 50′s. No pyschotic episodes, no crazy acts or impuslive acts(except the wife buying clothes!), no “near death’ experiences or any other type of experiences. No withdrawl(2 months without). No vomiting or any other type body sickness. No High or Low blood pressure.
Does this mean it’s safe for anyone? No. Apparently everyone here has had a bad episode or reaction? We both do not understand it? Maybe…other people have also tried it and didn’t have any reactions to it like us and they haven’t posted on this website too? We both take medications, I won’t lie. I’v taken blood pressure meds for more than 10 years. My wife, Thyroid for 15 yrs.
Again, not everyone has the same reactions. But, my wife and I will say one thing that we both agree on. “No regrets”.

ctk
11:40 pm November 18th, 2012

If theres anyone still trying to kick this habit, try giving green tea a go, plus chamomile for sleep. Can’t guarantee it will work, but it’s worked wonders for me. Almost 3 months down and I havent even really thought about the stuff. Which is a first, every other time i tried to quit it was a tonne harder than this time. If you feel yourself getting the crave for whatever reason, cook up a brew of GT, and smash one of them back. Feels good man. I recommend, heaps of tea, good diet. Get into the gym or something fuark, for the fellas jump onto the Zyzz page on Facey or Youtube if you need the motivation haha. As i said may not be for everyone but i reckon well worth giving it a go, it can be done.

Jaseeka1986
6:02 am November 20th, 2012

@CandL I mean, really. To post such a comment on a forum with people asking for help and having almost died or having had a friend/loved one who has died from this poison? I will tell you, I was positive this poison hadn’t affected me in any way – until I suffered horrible brain damage, couldn’t smoke it or even smell it after that, I ran from it. I smoked “faithfully” for over 2 years, daily. Once I got brain damage from it & was stuck in psychosis for 3 months afterwards, I was finally clear enough to then see how PSYCHO I’d become. I’d become nothing that even resembled my true, loving self. But this poison is so dangerous because it drives you insane slowly, and subtly. It had caused me to think I was smarter than everyone, that there was nothing wrong with it, and that the only people who’d had a ‘near death’ experience or overdose were “little kids who took too much”, & that those same “kids” were now giving it a bad name & now I had to suffer for it! I now realize how wrong I was to think such an incredibly ridiculous thing. So I will not be hard on anyone who could be stuck in the thinking/mental tar-pit this poison gets you in. I suggest you go to rc-supply.net to see what you are inhaling. Do not kid yourself or anyone else, by giving them ill-conceived advice that this stuff is anything other than poison. Now you must’ve been prepared to receive a reply such as this, I must come to such a conclusion. If you’ve been sober for as long as you say you’ve been, can I seriously, politely ask why or how you found your way to this forum? If you at all think you need help, even in the least, not only will I be here for you, but there are many other fantastic people who will be as well. You are not only elevating yourself to a higher status than those who’ve been hurt by this(by claiming no ill effects whatsoever, even “no regrets”) but you are also giving those in extreme denial – most of the time this denial being caused by this poison – a reason to continue & play Russian roulette! This happened to me, this poison had eaten away my mind so badly, it had driven me crazy, so crazy I didn’t even realize I was crazy! I am an extremely intelligent person. Therefor I can come to a couple of conclusions to explain your comment. It is either written by someone who is unfortunate as I was, to not see what has happened to their mind as a result of constant use, someone who is in extreme denial, or lastly, someone who’s a pusher who’s desperately trying to hold onto profits & “dispel” any “myths” about chronic or even one time use of this poison. Poison is exactly what this is – research what’s put into this garbage, they can’t drug test for it because it’s downright insane what’s in it = poison + research chemicals+ “trash” herbs! As I stated earlier, go to rc-supply.net, then Google some of the ingredients therein.(These are the “ingredients” that are used to create this “incense”) After a quick Google search, take a look at the chemical placards & warnings associated with these chemicals. They are ALL the Skull & Crossbones placards. In laments terms this symbol means: If inhaled – you risk dying, if ingested – you risk dying, If handled – you risk dying. They all are accompanied with warnings such as: if inhaled, handled or ingested in any way seek medical attention immediately. Now imagine all these chemicals, plus more unknowns, all combined, then ingested. I shouldn’t have to spell it out any more than I already have. The people who create this garbage are the same exact people in the Methamphetamine production business. Same breed of human. The same people who “shake & bake” meth to make quick money. Therefor.. they are all people who don’t give a damn about your health or their own, they’re looking for a quick buck & will kill you – & do kill people – to get it. I truly hope you are just someone as I was, who used this poison so much it literally made me incapable of finishing a thought & made me think it was harmless – all at the same time! I felt my brain literally fry while suffering from brain damage from this poison. I cannot let people read comments like yours & think there’s a possibility of using this even once without almost dying. That is so thoroughly untrue. I mean no ill-will towards anyone, I don’t like making anyone feel bad, it’s not who I am. I really have strong feelings about this subject. It’s caused people in my circle of friends to commit suicide in horrific ways(I almost did), as well as caused many deaths by heart injury/failure, organ failure, and has even caused many people to have gone completely insane(I was one of them, I thank God every day I have my senses back – And don’t get me started on my tolerance to drugs, I’ve almost overdosed 4 separate times, 3 of which before the age of 16. Drugs were my life, I should be dead many times over & could handle anything.). Some people are still stuck in insanity/psychosis. We cannot undermine their horrific circumstances. God Bless you & your wife; I hope & pray you end up ok, and truly do not have any long-term ill effects from this poison. That of course would be the best case scenario. God bless everyone, I hope you are all doing better. It DOES get better. I promise it does. Much love to you all.

ALLY
12:32 am November 21st, 2012

Thank you Jaseeka, well said!
CandL – you and your wife are playing Russian Roulette and are in my prayers. I truly hope that you both survive this. I ditto everything Jaseeka said. Please don’t be fooled. My husband has never before suffered a psychotic break, not ever, until smoking Gold Rush natural incense. It is only a matter of time before you or your wife or both suffer some sort of consequence. Usually people won’t stop an addictive drug until they go through something traumatic but maybe you can avoid that. People have become homicidal, suicidal, sick to the point of death, delusional, or suffer an affect that feels like death or hell.
One man beat his baby girl up after smoking it because voices told him to. Another man was beaten to death by his son with a baseball bat who was high on spice. A teenage boy who had just graduated and was excited for his future killed himself after one time of smoking it. These are only some of the experiences I’ve found in the news but even in my small city there have been some very horrific experiences due to this drug alone. I truly hope you and your wife will seriously consider stopping.
God Bless you both.

Francesca
1:25 am November 25th, 2012

Losing my boyfriend does not get easier, it gets worse. For him to die suddenly and alone hurts me. Knowing he did not mean to die that day and that I am so lost without him. He was everything to me (drugs or no drugs). He is the only man I’ve wanted to marry and was my soul mate. We were so in love. Now I have to live the rest of my life on this wretched planet with him. He was my joy and happiness and I could not even say goodbye. The day we talked last, we argued about the damnable synthetic poison. Just because it had a different package, he justified, and that he deserved to relax, he should be able to smoke it. But one he started, he couldn’t stop. The two nights before he died he was up all night smoking it in his room. He was the only man in my life that I could feel the oneness of our relationship. It has been 16 days, and the pain in my chest gets more like a knife, and I feel like I will die. What do I do now?

10:09 am November 25th, 2012

Hi Francesca. I’d suggest that you see a psychologist or certified counselor to work through your grief. You can find a therapist by searching the APA’s therapist directory here: http://locator.apa.org/

ALLY
1:53 am November 26th, 2012

CandL – you and your wife are playing Russian Roulette and are in my prayers. Please don’t be fooled. I truly hope you will seriously consider stopping and seek professional help.
God Bless you both.

ctk
9:10 am November 26th, 2012

Have just heard some pretty unsettling news. A guy I used to work with has just been arrested for poisoning and then decapitating his flatmates 2 cats while high on this stuff. Apparently, he’d been drinking and then started toking up on K2 Chocolate, one of the latest and more potent brands we have down here in New Zealand. What followed was sadistically evil and made me quite sick really hearing about it. He force fed his flatties cats vodka until they were barely alive, and then mercilessly decapitated both of them and proceeded to play with the heads like a toy, apparently taking a significant amount of pleasure in doing so. After becoming increasingly violent when challenged by others present, Police were called, and he was promptly arrested and taken into custody. I knew this guy (only about 19 years old) before he started smoking this stuff, and I will say he had not an ounce of evil in him. A caring guy who only ever looked out for other people, and a general joy to be around. We witnessed a change in him over time, especially as the smoking K2 became more intense. Iv heard that he has also amassed a considerable amount of debt as his habit progressed, in order to support it. He’s been outcasted by pretty much all of the boys, and generally nobody wants to know the guy. When I kicked the habit completely, I distanced myself from him. That was a few months back and word is he only got worse. His likening for other, harder drugs also increased apparently as well. So now I’m going to ask, is something that robs you of your money, your mates, your girlfriend, and basically everything that was once good in you really worth it? He’s probably asking himself the same question, yeah, in a cell. Good one bro. And for what? All in the name of drugs? More specifically, K2? This guy had a great career ahead of him, he was training to get bigger and stronger, he had a girlfriend and mates that thought the world of him, a nice car (which I know he sold for money to buy K2), and a solid future in store had he played his cards right. Now he’s a very lonely, broke, drug addicted loser whose physical condition on first glance is horrible. Deteriorated, malnutritioned. Lets not even go into his mental condition. Look at this and learn from it. Its just not worth it, plain and simple. Peace <3

Blah
9:42 pm November 26th, 2012

@CandL – You and your wife may say “no regrets” but many of the people affected by this stuff are much younger and have plenty more to live for. Like I said in my post I didn’t think it affected me either, all it takes is that one different package, that one batch just like all the other unregulated batches.

Gordon
12:46 pm November 27th, 2012

To All,
When we reach out to others it’s their choice to grasp the helping hand or to listen. Pray for those who may need help doing so.
Share the Gift

Gordon
2:47 pm November 28th, 2012

Something to remember: Drug dealers, manufacturers of products like incense use the excuse when cornered that they just put it out there, they don’t make anyone use it. (not twisting they’re arms) Life is difficult and for some worse just to escape they’re hell for a few moments they reach out to alcohol, drugs (of all description) and even an unknown batch chemicals. Many years ago I spoke with a friends son by saying “when you feel the pain and anger in life and it’s unbareable reach out to another person not drugs, You will get help, relief, and hope.”
I must add that when I was there and asked for help the first two people said “I don’t have the time right now”. In desperation I got the name of one more person from a guy I met at a 12 step group, he said “Yes”. I asked him to sponsor me and asked for help because I didn’t know where to turn. For over 18 years till his natural death we were there for each other, God bless him for helping me to be the person I really am, far from perfect but doing the best I can “one day at a time”.
Throw out the reasons you can’t stop and fight with all you have for any reason to begin traveling a new road with all its adventures. Be proud of yourself and humble enough to know why.

Gordon
2:49 pm November 29th, 2012

Today I feel the strength and power deep from within, it is surrounded by the calm and peaceful energy of my soul.
Thank You Father in the Lords name.

G-Person
4:47 am November 30th, 2012

I smoked several types of herbal legal highs, and I have never had any kind of bad mental psychotic episode or destroying a cabinet with my bare hands, or had a hand amputated or any of the other really odd occurances people are complainging about, what I will say is that herbal highs they are way more addictive then weed, I find they give you a permanent cough, which weed does not. Although I didn’t really experience any bad negative emotions or physical issues, I still had to stop smoking this stuff also, and the reason I chose to is a very simple one..Ignorance..you never know what the hell is in that stuff, and it’s scary, weed has been on the planet for more then 250,000,000 years, there’s a reason for that, it’s like natures tylenol……..

Deedra
8:35 am November 30th, 2012

Someone please read this and respond to me!!!! I need…someone else to tell me this happened to them :’(

It’s like my brain freaked out and I have PTSD…its become the most ‘important’ thing in my life because my brain cant help but interpret this freak out as something to rememeber (our brains evolved to remember terrifying to learn but its not always good for us)

Scariest time of my life after taking smoking ‘Aloha – Kush’ spice. I had already smoked a some earlier that night and was feeling not relaxed but spacey which I kind of like because I like getting out of my regualar depressive thoughts.

I decided to see how taking big hits would affect me. I held it in a long time and even after I was feeling woozy I took another big hit.

I kind of stumbled to my bed and closed my eyes.

Heavy things I had THOUGHT before, I FELT.

The full weight of nothingness!!!! I will never be the same. I cursed my neihbor who gave me this because I knew he had ruined me for the rest of my life…..I could never forget these thoughts:

A dreadful feeling…feelings that I had considered as skeptic/cynical person all my life accept…it’s the sort of thing your brain natural sorts out/ignores/passes on to KEEP YOU SANE. It was this terrifying realization/understanding that we, just like every other creature on this planet floating in space are SIMPLE, PATHETICALLY PREDICATABLE creatures that have merely evolved to a degree that we don’t realize how TRULY ALIKE we are to even the simplest of creatures. Its no wonder that humans created religion to escape this feeling.

I really FELT the full force of mortality..how inescapable, inevitable death was and how meaningless my life is (think: BILLIONS of other PEOPLE CREATURES on this planet!!!!! Seriously, you are not special!!!! At all!!!! And yet, unless you are tripping like this you DO FEEL LIKE YOURE SPECIAL. Our brains EVOLVED this feeling of selfishness to be a “successful” living creature. Stuff that any rational human KNOWS but this drug made me truly FEEL. Truly terrifying.

I lost any sense of importance in my life bc I could SEE how literally nothing I could ever do…even if I spent my entire life working on a every single thing in millions of lifetimes–because are consciousness is just matter looking at itself and there is nothing beyond that. Things just exist and there is nothing else. WE WILL ALL DIE UNSATISFIED. Our brains have merely evolved to distract ourselves because ITS NOT GOOD FOR US to FEEL the CHAOS of the universe. To paint a picture of this, I see a person rocking back and forth eyes wide open staring off at nothingness and that is EXISTENCE.

I realized that the human brain can come much closer to objectivity than normal daily processing usually allows. Our brains don’t want us to see ourselves for who we really are (we have to take/steal energy to continue living ie RODENTS SCROUNGING OFF OF SCRAPS).

I truly FELT how limited we are as humans…WE ACT LIKE GODS TO OTHER CREATURES AND TO EACH OTHER but in reality we are only capable of experiencing

I will never fell the same. I feel stuck…like an alien watching a documentary on humans and being unimpressed. We think were great but the complexity of universe so far surpasses anything our simple minds can ever conceive. Everything we are and everything we like…the sensations, the pretty colors, the nice sounds…how SIMPLE and completely DWARFED in comparison to the universe that allowed us these PERCEPTIONS. It’s this irreconcilable feeling that we are a simple datum (that is, data in the singular) inside a infinitely vast/complex/choatic program. Our human existence depends on our brains to see patterns and exploit them for our benefit–we cant help but feel powerful because there is RELATIVE stability in the universe and we have evolved well enough to exploit it and develop consciousness—and yet with this drug I could not hold back the FLOOD of feelings that FORCED me to acknowledge just how little we are in compared to the universe. Truly terrifying feeling for an atheist.

Gordon
7:11 pm November 30th, 2012

Dear Deedra,
Would you spend a couple of days straight and share your feelings at that point. I have read your letter three times and have thoughts on this, however I wonder if your interpritation of that high may become clearer and easier to relate to with a little more background. Please don’t discount your role or importance in your life, we all are here for a reason.
Love,
Gordon

Jaseeka1986
9:29 am December 3rd, 2012

@Deedra I completely feel you. I know exactly what you are talking about. I felt stuck, like I’d never be the same. I promise you, no matter how hard it is & terrible you feel right now, it gets better. I know that sounds completely & utterly simplistic, but it’s true, a fact it was so hard for me to realize. It took 3 whole, extremely draining months for me to finally start to see some bit of happiness. I can tell you what’s happening & why you’re feeling this way. My personal belief, which I came to a realization of just today, is that these ‘incense’(which by the way I call them poison – that’s what they are & therefor what it does it you) are full of heavy metals, which poison you & can take a while to get out your system. After my poisoning(from smoking ‘incense’), I was stuck in psychosis for 3 months afterwards. I was stuck. I didn’t think I’d ever be the same, EVER. It took me 3 months to even smile. It may not take you this long at all, so don’t worry, please. I smoked for 2 years, so I had a lot in my system. I will be here for you. I swear to you. I went through the exact same thing, I went through it completely alone plus everyone who was supposed to care about me abused me & said I was faking being crazy! So I made it through this DESPITE them, rather than with their help. So, given this, I refuse to let anyone go through this alone. I know how draining it is mentally & physically. You WILL be better. You WILL feel good again, You WILL feel love again, smile, and feel like you once did, before this happened. I got angry when people said this to me, but after a couple of months, the poison worked itself out of my system & my brain could work right again. I care about you & want you to know everything will be ok. I swear to you it will. I want you to know this so badly. To truly feel it & know it as fact. I know how hard it is to believe anything right now, feeling the way you do at the moment. Because I felt the exact same way. I didn’t think I’d ever be ‘right’ again. Finally understanding that this poison was still in my system(which was causing me to think & feel the way I was) helped me, because it meant it’d be out at some point! That was everything to me! To know I wasn’t permanently stuck this way. This is a form of detox our body goes through afterwards. If we’re detoxing this poison, it means it will logically be out soon! Which means we will feel better again & soon it will have left us completely! Everything I’ve said so far is fact, I swear to you. It’s fact from life experience & from being astute while having gone through this. I posted on this forum daily while going through this. It saved my life. Post here as many times as you need to, it’s truly therapeutic. Some advice I can give you while going through this is, surround yourself with people you trust & who truly care about you. Positive people & things. Watch positive, funny or happy things on the internet & TV. To help detox this poison quicker, eat organically. Drink plenty of fluids. The junk food we eat weighs our bodies, & most importantly, our minds down. If we eat organic everything – fresh fruits, vegetables, grains – it will help get the junk that weighs us down out of our system & will help us think better & detox quicker. Fresh food even tastes better! Imagine that! :) Try to stay active, busy if possible, it helps keep you not thinking. Go to the doctor & get a checkup if possible, they can help you with seeing a psychiatrist if you want it, honestly, anti-anxiety meds helped me SO much while going through this myself. Only if it’s right for you, though. But I mainly suggest the doctor because they can give you a clean bill of health, which can help you not worry. Mainly, eat right. It will give you something to focus on & will help you exponentially through this short time. I promise you it will be short. God Bless you, Deedra. I promise I will be here for you as much & whenever you need me. I had to write to you to tell you what I know now, and that you will be ok. I had to tell this to you. So much love to you, Deedra. If you’ve got ANY questions or thoughts for me, I will be here. I swear. Also, there are two other forums that might help you on this website: “Spice synthetic marijuana side effects” & “Smoking herbal incense effects” Use the search engine in the top right corner to search for these, they will help you, too. I’ve posted on all of these as far back as March 4th, 2012, when I had my poisoning/brain damage. I’m ok, now, thank God. I promise you, you will feel SO much better very soon. Nothing but Love, prayers & good wishes to you, Deedra.
Talk to you soon,
God Bless, and SO much love to you!
I will be here if you ever need me.
-Jessica

Destiny
4:19 pm December 6th, 2012

Woww I Dont Know What To Say About All This. i Just Read All The Stories And Imm Sorry For Everyone.

Destiny
4:46 pm December 6th, 2012

Im 14 Years Old. Note: (just turned 14) Ive Been Addicted To Spice For About A Year Now, And This Stuff Is Nothing To Mess With. At First When I Heard Of It, I Was Doubtful. Then One Day My Boyfriend And About 4 Of Our Friends Were Chillen. My Friend Troy Said I Got Some Down To Earth (spice), Yall Wanna Smoke. At First I Said No But Then I Felt Left Out Cause My Friends Were Doing It And I Wanted To Be On That Level. I Took 5 Hits Out Of His Pipe And I Cant Even Describe The Feeling I Got. I Felt Like Life Wasnt Real Like I Was In A Dream. Well We Started To Walk, I Fell Straight To The Ground And They Said I Layed There For About A Minute. Woke up Started To Run Then Just Fell Again They Picked Me Up And Carried Me Home. The Whole Time I Was Doing That. I Thought I Was Dying. It Felt Like A Hour Later But Really About 20 Minutes Later I Came Off My High And Was Like WTF. I Regret The Day I Tried It And Should Have Said No. I Still Smoke The Stuff. And Since Then I Have Loss 20 Pounds Do To The Stuff Because I Have No Appetite And I Cant Keep Food Down… And I Have Forgetfulness But I Cant Stop Smokin It Cause When I Come Down From The High Im Just Like “Haha Woww I Caan’t Believe That Just Happened!” I Pray For Everyone Who Does It. Thanks (: Ohh And Before Spice I Smoked MJ, In Total Ive Been Smokin Since I Was 11 I Smoke MJ From 11 To 13 And Now Ive Smoked Spice From 13 To 14 And Many More Years To Come Prolly. I HATE It :(

Gordon
11:47 pm December 7th, 2012

Jaseeka1986,
Would you give me a address or something to get in touch, not familiar with you tube.
Gordon

Francesca
2:48 am December 9th, 2012

Synthetic pot is Russian Roulette. If you like being reckless and taking grave chances that could end up in heart attack or sudden death, then who can stop you?

ALLY
8:16 pm December 9th, 2012

ctk – your friend is in my prayers. This poison causes wonderful people to suffer psychotic breaks with no warning bringing out an incredible evil. I know this from firsthand experience as it happened to my husband (you can find my story in an above posting). What happened to your friend is horrifying and was hard to read but I thank you for sharing. These stories need to be told, not one person who is using this poison is immune. All users need to know that they are at risk for such things at any time.

Deerdra – please listen to the words of Jaseeka & Gordon. You are special and loved. God is omnipresent (He is everywhere at the same time) and omniscient (He knows all things at once – He knows the thoughts of every person on the planet right now this instant, all six billion plus) and he loves every single one of us as a father loves his child. It is an overwhelming thing to understand but it is true. It has taken me many years to figure this out but you can know without a doubt that you are special and God has a plan for you – Atheist or not.

Jaseeka & Gordon – thank you both for your encouraging words. Your posts are more than comforting and your prayers for all on this blog are doing more than most can possibly know or understand.

God Bless you all.

DJ
12:00 pm December 10th, 2012

i hate that i smoke this how can i stop without having very bad phycodic moments???

Francesca
9:13 pm December 10th, 2012

Are you willing to go into treatment? Considering all we know and all that has been said about it, I would feel better about being monitored at a hospital. Does anyone know if the synthetic pot does damage to the brain that is long lasting?

Jaseeka1986
7:33 am December 11th, 2012

@ALLY & @GORDON

@ALLY You too are a blessing to many. Sharing your story is such a brave & great thing to do. I think one of the biggest things that helped me was reading such stories, and relating to them! Seeing I wasn’t alone was a huge turning point for me! I was suffering from psychosis, majorly, and this was extremely therapeutic while going through that. The psychosis made me detach, so I think it helped my heart so much to finally connect again. God Bless you for staying strong, continuing to share, and making a point to be there for others with words of encouragement & wisdom. When you said Atheist or not earlier to another, this is also very good. I have been Christian all my life, and more recently have been studying beautiful, ancient religious culture(some call Hindu or Santana Dharma) that supplied us with texts such as The Vedas(Veda means knowledge in Sanskrit). I have never lost faith. I never will. This is a different view of God I was not accustomed to until now. Everyone prays, worships, lives & loves uniquely. Spirituality is not one size fits all ;) and I appreciated the comment you made. People may call God by different names, but in my opinion, this is our view of Him. Beautiful words concerning God & I thank you for them! Thank you as well for your kind words regarding Gordon’s & my statements as well. He is a kindred spirit who says many things I love & are very uplifting! We all know this is a hard thing to go through. People need all the help they can get. God Bless you!

@GORDON Hi there! :) I completely understand about the Youtube thing. I hope my writing after this sentence helps, I would really like to connect & see how each other is doing, and try to find a way to do so while seemingly being covert. :) I am also on Facebook. Last name Walker. I live in Kentucky. If you were to send me a message or friend request I wouldn’t have to think twice about accepting! God Bless you & I’ve been very happy to read your recent posts! They sound great. You definitely share the love & wisdom & it is most appreciated! Take care, Gordon.

Gordon
10:57 pm December 11th, 2012

Dear DJ,
The moments are just moments, relax, breath in goodness and health, exhale bad thoughts and anything negative. You can do this, don’t feel alone, your not. Please let us know how your doing and how you feel. By not smoking you ensure these ugly moments will go and the joy you seek will come out.
I pray for inner peace,
Gordon

ALLY
4:38 am December 13th, 2012

@Jaseeka – thank you – God is God no matter our religion. Minor differences mean nothing. We all believe, that is what matters. :)

joe
5:20 am December 15th, 2012

i was on this crap for 9 months heavy everyday. id smoke a bowl every 30 min to an hour some times 2 or 3 bowls. i was smoking 3 to 5 gram bag a day. its very very addictive, i wanted to get off of it so bad and finally just put it down, i drank v8 splash, went and sat in the shower every time i had a withdrawl or craving it bad. i sat in there until it went away. bout 15 min. th3 frirst 4 to 5 days are rough. but after that u start feeling a lot better. u wont have much of an apatite for a month or so, but it will help u loose weight and make up for all the munchies u had while on it. i had stomach pains pheans for it. vomiting. every now and then from smoking it and alot of times from craving it and not having it for a coupke hours. having black crap wen u go to the bathroom. it makes u pail, and it makes u stink bad. sugest highly getting off of it if ur on it
ill pray for u

hippynig
9:00 pm December 16th, 2012

I was a weed smoker for a decade an got to the point where i had used enough an needed to quit because of work, drug tests, an such.
I then heard about the sythetic…an thought yer that could be alright…cause no thc an gets out of your system quick…..buy it at the local shops great..wrong…. the second time i used i was at a lookout chilli enjoying the view after a couple two many sent me into a trip i never experinced with weed….thought i was flyiny, tunnel vision an had that feelling I was going to die near passed out then who knows whether i would have came too?? which ive never had in my life. though i kept my shit together an try not to panic which i think most do though… u cant blame them….an yes i still kept smoking though now i realize that it isnt worth it and i dont trust the crap…i know weed can cause people problems… though it seems to be alot safer when used in moderation
how this is legal jus cause of a few changes in chemicals which arent illegal even though the side affects as well,vomiting,feeling depressed,its seems awell that u r never satified and just want more an more…then when u come off the binge the next day is hell…its like ur brain is fucked an isnt interested in doing anything….the worst thing is it does force weed smokers to use it to aviod drug test…
Even though i should say stop using it to everyone who does most people who use drugs arent stoppin til they are ready to change
im to that point an glad i made the decision to stop i hope others
wake up to themselfs……..peace

Gordon
10:54 pm December 16th, 2012

Dear Jaseeka1986,
I tried to get with you on Facebook but did’nt get a return message. Are you listed a Jessica or Jaseeka1986? I’ll try again, any more hints as how to find you there?
Gordon :-) ********@*

rortiz169
7:11 am December 17th, 2012

joe i wound like to talk to you about, it is real important to me if you can post back

arkansawdave
5:50 am December 19th, 2012

I’ve been smoking this stuff for 3 or 4 years now. Since near the beginning, when the K2 first hit the shelves. Now I’ve had enough, but can’t seem to quit. I’m going through about a 10g bag of Klimax a day when I can afford it, and going through mood swings and depression when I can’t. I’ve been trying to quit for about 2 weeks now. I broke down and bought a 3 gram bag of Kush tonight. It may be a blessing, but it’s bunk. I’ve already smoked 14 joints in the past 3 hours and fixing to have another one. The high is very slight and only lasts about 10 minutes. Man I was pissed, but I think it’s just what I needed. I have quit before when it was inevitable and was very happy without it. The first time I smoked it after the few month break I had a very bad feeling. I really didn’t like the high that much, but before I knew it I was smoking it constantly. I really want to get back to the way I was when I had stopped, but it seems to be alot harder to stop this time. I wonder if some of the newer chemicals may be more addictive. I hope you all have an easier time stopping than I am. This time, I don’t plan on going through this again.

joshua
4:10 pm December 22nd, 2012

Honestly, i read every comment on here and found out that its really all in your mind how you feel and act. Im on probation for about year an a half and i never smoke this fake bud before until i got on probation. My 1st time was weird in my mind cuz i no i didnt smoke the real thing so it got me thinking and if thc was really in it or what not. After i read about it i was fine, i smoke it like normal bud. When im high off it and i go to work, i work so much better, no worries at all, to me no red eyes, i dont smell at all like bud, cotton mouth is still there =( but all good when you can get a drink. I really have nothing bad to say about this fake bud, Im on it right now. I like how i dont get hungry like how i did on normal bud. Saves me less worries about losing the calories lol. But yeah i think its just how peoples minds work, everyone is different on things. Nobody is the same. Big Ups to the fake bud. without it id probably be in jail for smoking the real thing on probation…cant drink alcohol btw..reason for being on probation. So if anybody reads this take in affect that EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT WHEN THEY SMOKE THIS. I have no craving for it, no pains at all, someone said they vomited off it haha sucks for them. Only time i came close to throwin up while smoking it was when the ash hit the back of my throat from my bowl. Well yea, thats how i feel while im on it. I smoke like 3-5 grams in a week cuz all i need is a lil bowl pack or two to get me started then just finish when im coming down. I hope this is a pro then a con…about fake bud to other people. Thanks for your time to read this.

joshua
4:15 pm December 22nd, 2012

Forgot to add im from ny and i dont use spice. What I have is spike aka black mamba strawberry flavor. So many different flavors lol.

hayden
9:39 pm December 25th, 2012

Ya this stuff is not made for everyone. If you are not to experienced in getting really high and don’t know how to calm yourself down this is not the stuff for you. The key thing is is to know how to control it and if you start freaking out look towards the back of your mind and just tell yourself you are ok and it will go away eventually because it will feel like it’s going to stay forever

Diana
12:15 pm January 2nd, 2013

Monday night i smoked weed with some friends and it felt good until i added another 5 hits.. then i felt like dying, i could see my skin becoming white, my face became pale, my heartbeats were very fast .. i couldn’t even sleep because i was thinking that if i did i would automatically die .. it was the worse night of my hole life.. i slept then woke up i felt good for a moment but the idea of death came back again .. had a hard time sleeping again because i was thinking of dying and not waking up, it is very hard… but as i learned here it might be paranoia, or a panic attack .. but now i’m thinking that it has been 2 days now .. is it that i keep thinking about it or am i seriously going to die .. i feel really bad and i need some advices

Gordon
10:42 pm January 2nd, 2013

Dear Diana,
No one on this page is medically qualified to evaluate symptoms, PLEASE go to the EMERGENCY ROOM at the HOSPITAL they are the ones who can advise you correctly. I wouldn’t go by guess work. After you get the advice you need please share the outcome, and how you are now.

Diana
8:43 pm January 13th, 2013

Thank you for answering me, it means a lot.. i went to see a generalist and checked my hole body and he told me everything is perfect.. but i kept thinking i was going to die, i am muslim and i never prayed, and when i told my parents about how i felt they told me its the devil that is trying to play with your mind and that you should start praying .. and i did, and with time i started forgetting, cause in my prayers its said that only god knows when you are going to die.. i am not touching weed ever again because death feeling is the worse ever, i spent the worst 5 days of my life :s !! anyways thank you so much for your help and answer, take care.

death_master
12:17 pm January 14th, 2013

Synthetic marijuana or spice can most definitely kill you. Even if one doesn’t want to believe that the mind is powerful enough that if you experience the prior mentioned death experience you can die for real. It is a scientific fact that overdosing on any substance can kill you if untreated. I have recently become addicted to synthetic marijuana ( or synth as I like to call it). Oddly the cheapest stuff that can be bought locally is also the strongest. A product known as bizarro.My first time using it straight out of the package, at full strength, a single hit sent me straight into the death experience halucination. This is the most horrific side affect I ever experienced. I was absolutely certain I was dying and actually believed I had till I came to about a half hour later. I have experienced the death halucination several times since . I have been able to stave it off by reminding myself that I had gone through it before . Since you can only die once, the likely hood that I was dying when I had gone through it before was unlikely. I have since found deep breathing exercises to be far more effective for stopping the death halucination. Simply breathe in for the count of 4 and breathe out for the count of 6. If you breathe for longer than 4 and out for longer than 6 so much the better. This has a 3 fold benefit. First making sure you breathe in and out without hyperventilating helps make sure you continue breathing which (duh) is vital to staying alive. Second diaphramatic breathing (as it is called) helps to keep you calm and relaxed, or at least enough that your heart doesn’t explode from panic attacks. And the previous statement leads us to the third benefit. Focusing on your breathing distracts you from the halucination and as such the panic it can cause. the best solution I’ve found to using it without the wicked halucination is to cut it with tobacco. However a 3.5 gram pouch for ime takes 1 & 1/2 packs of cigarette tobacco to get it at a tollirable level and even that is stronger than I like..

"'''''''''The Warning""""""""
4:16 pm January 14th, 2013

Death_ Master! we most def have “alot” in common. except im done with *t.

"'''''''''The Warning""""""""
4:28 pm January 14th, 2013

Diana, sounds like the bud was “laced.” or you was smoking some real chronic.

Gordon
10:00 pm January 14th, 2013

Dear Diana,
I am glad that you asked your parents for advice. I pray at least a few times a day. Our prayers are answered with the purest of love and strength there is. Please let us know how you are and try to reach out to others who are also having this problem to get thru.

Gordon

Jaseeka1986
10:26 am January 17th, 2013

@GORDON I recently got a new email. How are you? I hope well as always! To answer your question, I am listed on Youtube as Jaseeka1986, but on Facebook I go by my full name. My first & middle name on there is Jessica Arlene. I live in Lexington. :) Couple this with the other hints I gave you & send me a friend request, if you can’t find me still, I will find a way somehow! God Bless you, Gordon, you’re a great man. A giving, helping soul.

An update on my condition:
It’s been a long time since I’ve felt any bad side effects from this poison. I still have this one thought that bothered me & reoccurred frequently as I was smoking the poison, still popping up in my head now. It’s a pretty disturbing thought that involves death. Now that I think about it, I still have neuro problems such as spelling(I used to be an A+ speller, won the school spelling bee & never understood how people could make certain grammatical & spelling errors – until the brain damage from this poison struck me) and seeming dyslexia sometimes! Scary stuff. I pray daily & intensely I will be back to my former self in all aspects. Anyone with any questions on what helped me get through this, I’ve signed up now with my more frequently used email address, so I will be notified better now & I will check the blog again as I used to.

To those who think it hasn’t & won’t affect you:
You’re wrong. It’s ok to be wrong, everyone’s ignorant. This stuff is poison, simply do the research to find out what you’re smoking.

God Bless everyone! Much love to all of you feeling sadness. Sadness isn’t what life’s about, it’s about love. Love is the only true thing in the Universe, it’s the only thing that matters.

Gordon
3:33 am January 20th, 2013

Dear Jaseeka1986,
I’m very pleased to here how you are doing and sharing the way that you accomplished this very difficult challenge. Sharing your negitive expieriences in order to help others shows the sincerity and caring you have for your fellow man. These are difficult times we are going thru, life is complicated at best. The response we recieve from others can be confusing and often hurtful. Feel proud that you are, the person who’s intensions are of the best quality even though the support you’ve recieved may even be meant to be hurtful and discouraging your still standing straight up with the hand of Love extended. Possessing this strength is no coincidence it is flowing thru you from a higher power. I call this higher power my father in heaven and his son our Lord JESUS Christ our saviour on earth. Feel the blessings you have received and believe in there truth and intent. I have been given many blessings and thru example humbley share them. I have so much to be grateful for including the tasks of sharing my expieriences and the teachings that I am trusted with. Our Father promises us if we follow these truths and share what we know he will always be with us. I believe your memory and the strength you hold will rebuild in time, this I do not ever question, this I give Thanks for from the depths of my heart. I will keep working as I know I should and we are all gathered together for his good. He has made me strong when I’ve been weak, he rebuilds us thru the power of prayer. Dear Father I have so much to be grateful for in your name, and in the name of your Son. When I wake in the morning I will feel his presence and start the day feeling the blessings and path he has set forward for me. Thank You Father, I say this in the name of your Holy Son, my Saviour, my Lord on earth Jesus Christ Amen

Francesca
10:20 pm January 21st, 2013

This is such a beautiful and anointed prayer. I hope you will keep posting these prayers of healing as they are SO needed in this difficult world.

DJ
5:05 am January 22nd, 2013

Hey guys. i have posted on this blog before now. up till 10 days ago i believed i was completly addicted to this stuff i had all the same crazy scary symtptoms. they all camr from reading this blog. this is all in ur heads. you people are making othrs belive really scary things. you have to jst say i am done and my life is worth more than this crap. do yall really like feeling like a crack head because that is all this is making you like. you have to be strong and throw all pipes and whatever else in the trash. i am clean ten days now cold turky. i feel amazing. im eating agaim im getting back to life and out of hiding. all of you can do the same. i thought i was so weak but when i told my partner the truth about what i was doing, his support complelty helped me stop. i promise this is way easier than you guya are making people believe. be strong and throw all of it away. you will have a stressfull next three days but it is so worth getting ur life back. stay strong people you can do this, you cant let this stuff beat you. you beat it.

Amy
9:23 pm January 23rd, 2013

I smoked legal herb with a few friends at first. Then I began smoking it at home when no one was around, then I moved on to sneaking a hit in the bathroom at restaurants or the movies… The fact that I felt like I just had to have some in order to have some fun made me feel guilty for even trying it at all.

The real damage came after about 3 months of smoking legal herb. Mind you, everyone is different and wont always have these side effects. But I began to hallucinate about 15 minutes after a hit. Normally after about 20 minutes or so I come down completely and feel like smoking some more. The hallucination wasnt of spiders crawling down the walls or something as unrealistic as that, but I was putting on my contacts and dropped a few drops of solution in my eyes to wet them so I could put in my contacts (dry eyes you know?) I felt an immense amount of pain and my sinus’s were burning. I looked at my eye and it looked as if it were shrinking. I began to have a panic attack thinking that this brand new bottle of contact solution had been poisoned and I was going to die. I cried out to my brother. I was staggering because of a panic attack. I collapsed on the floor and they called the paramedics. By the time they arived I was lucid again and refused treatment. But the whole thing was terrifying and even more so embarrassing

So glad that I quit the stuff, but I can guarantee that I don’t think as well as I used to. Every now and again I still feel high… but not in a good way. Its always when I am trying to focus, and it makes it impossible.

It is scary how easy it is to get this stuff. It needs to be off the shelves.

Janet from Ohio
10:04 pm January 23rd, 2013

Where do i begin…Today is my 7th day of being clean…and I’m 93 lbs,,,when I started smoking this stuff ( Diablo),,I weighed 112 lbs. getting off this stuff was as hard as getting off of Xanax…uncontrollable crying,,,fits…and temper tantrums…I’m 53 years old…at first..I loved it. but after a year smoking fake weed..its taking a toll on my body…I’ve worked out and kepy myself up for 27 years..until I;ve found myself addicted to it…& days clean, and I still want it…but I found out my son was also addicted to the stuff..out of Love for him, we have both made a deal with each other,,NOT to do it anymore…I’m proud to say we have beat the Devil, and we;re winning…Just wanna say you can get off of it…find your reasons to get clean..becouse, Your life is so much more important, than anything,,and when you see your child hurting over this,,,make the decision to stop…it’ll mean everything to them..and it even helps them get off of it…and maybe,,just maybe,,,they won’t ever start..I’ve lost some of my eye-sight from this stuff Diablo…and now have Tachocardia…my health is not the best anymore…so please you young ppl….it’ll make ya old Quick…If me and my son can get off…so can you…My prayers are with you…and I do know how you feel….

DJ
5:55 am January 25th, 2013

Its pretty simple, if you smoke this stuff. you are in the same place as a crack head. im clean now day 16. i feel amazing. i have my relationship back. i have my friends back. im gaining my weight back. get off this. head shops should be burned to the ground for being so selfish to there customers. i live in baltimore md. there are three shops side by side that sell it. they should be suid and shut down. Karmic connection, the love zone and broadway market. horrible horrible business people.

Brian
10:30 pm January 25th, 2013

Its pretty simple, if you smoke this stuff. you are no better than a crack head. im clean now day 16. i feel amazing. i have my relationship back. i have my friends back. im gaining my weight back. get off this. head shops should be burned to the ground for being so selfish to there customers. i live in baltimore md. there are three shops side by side that sell it. they should be suid and shut down. Karmic connection, the love zone and broadway market. horrible horrible business people.

Melanie
7:58 am January 26th, 2013

I have been a casual pot smoker for years and decided that it would be easier to use K2 and yes, the first time I used it, nice little pot like buzz for about 30-45 mins…all good.

I have been on holiday for two weeks and my use of k2 significantly increased during this time to several times a day. Then about four nights ago I noticed, after using it that I suddenly was very short of breath and dizzy feeling. As I am asthmatic my friend called an ambulance. The emergency room could not find anything wrong with me (and I didn’t tell them about the K2) though they did notice that everytime I would go dizzy feeling my CO2 levels were falling dangerously low (meaning that I was hyperventolating). At the time, I was very concious of my need to breath and felt as though I wasn’t doing this automatically so would force big breaths in – hence the hyperventolating.

I didn’t make the immediate connection with K2 (and neither did the hospital) so two days later, had some more. The thing is, the weird symptoms don’t seem to happen during the synthetic high so I didn’t make the connection.

Today I haven’t consumed any however I am still having moments where I think I am not breathing so have to breathe; I have been losing sensation in my arms and hands; I am dizzy and a bit scared that I am going to stop breathing, pass out and die…my blood pressure has been shooting up and down and well I am not entirely sure whether I should ring an ambulance (home alone) or ride it out – its not a nice feeling (and yes I have thrown the rest of it out!!!)

spicesux
1:35 pm January 26th, 2013

Jaseeka its been a while since i checked in on here, but I am glad I did I have the same Neurological issues as well. But its seems as if , If I could fight back I could conquer the issues, are you a reader?? I wonder if that would help. Educational reading in excess seems like it would help a lot. But, who has the time for that I know I don’t, Anyways, I have forgotten the exact day I quit but I know we’re close to a year, and I constantly hope and pray that I will be back as I was and honors student as well and cant stand the DUMB feeling at all, although it does seem to be getting better. And rarely I have chest(heart) pains still. Oh and by the way today is day #1 for my COLD TURKEY Marlboro Mission. I have been smoking cigarettes for 13 years and since i am almost 30 now it is time to stop. And I know the withdrawals wont be near as bad as the synthetic stuff, so I am optimistic. Thank you for checking in and updating I will continue to do the same. FOR ALL OF YOU BATTLING IT GOOD LUCK!!!

Gordon
5:57 pm January 28th, 2013

Dear spicesux ,
I wonder if the chemicals from smoking spice are trapped in with the cigarette tar and nicotine. I humbly say I stopped smoking cigs about 29 years ago now. I got a tip from someone to put the butts and ashes from the ash tray into a small jar, like a peanut butter or mustard jar and add a little water just enough to dampen them. I kept the jar with me for a while, left it on my dash board in the sun and when I just had to have a smoke I opened the jar and took a big pull of it. Somedays I was doing it all the time, it smelled real bad and I was told thats what I smelled like when I smoked, I didn’t like hearing that at all b ecause it was true. I don’t recall how long I carried that jar.
I do recall feeling sick at times and being edgey and how the comments went from rude to support and then being looked at as a winner. The caugh lasted about a year, bad dreams in the begining, and I stayed away from places and situations where the smoke was everywhere. Today on occasion the smoke still smells good but on most days I get a nausea feeling, watery eyes and have to get away from it. I also get a runnynose, and again have actually thrown up, and this can still happen. I didn’t mean to get of track but I’m sure it works and will help with spice also. Keep in touch and share how your doing.
Gordon

Dianne
4:55 pm February 7th, 2013

Im concern for my husband he is 61 years old and

he smokes weed and drinks beer every night. i myself

am a recovered alcoholic for 5years and Im 52 years old

my husband say’s he is not stopping for nothing. Help

ae em
11:52 pm February 17th, 2013

Ratpoison detroys kidneys. Duh. K2, Spice, XLR11 doesn’t contain THC, CBD or any other cannabinoids for that matter. Why categorized and associated with cannabis. Metanol is alcohol, but drinking it makes you blind. The cannabis has been around for as long as alcohol and tobacco. There are no surprises to discover with Marijuana. Decriminalize of federal level, and leave to the states to regulate what is appropriate medicinal and recreational use.

Gordon
5:40 pm February 19th, 2013

Dear Dianne,
This will take all for 38 yearsthe courage and risk you may be able to come up with. First step, I’m sure he knows your unhappy and worried for his health and probably how long he’ll make it when he keeps living like this. I have not had a drink of any kind for 38 years now, there is NO doubt I would not be trying to give something back had I not stopped. I do not say any of this to make myself feel proud or like a big deal or to some probably a freak. :-) hahahaha Yes I have heard that but not from anyone that has been where I’ve been.
Second suggestion, even though you are sober and maybe in the program start attending Alonon. He will notice this and you will get support you need. Remember we have no controll over others.
If you start here let us know how YOU are doing. This site has a ton of expeirience and folks who care. There are other pages related to this but I guarantee if he begins with this incense his road will become awfull, overwhelming, frightful, dangerous. PRAY!!
Gordon

Erika
2:08 am February 24th, 2013

I had the worst experience yesterday with this stuff. I had smoked it before, but I had never felt the way I did yesterday. My heart rate went through the roof, over 200 beats per minute for sure. I thought I was going to die. I couldnt think. I couldnt feel. I stared at myself in the mirror for a few seconds and could not recognize myself. Slowly, I started to feel like I was having a panic attack, and that made my heart beat even faster. I thought I was dying for sure. I started to black out and I went up to my boyfriend in a daze and told him I was dying. He took me outside, and I could not calm down. I could not bring my heart rate down. I thought I was having heart attack. This is the worst thing I have ever felt in my life, and I would not wish this on my worst enemy.I could not breathe, I could not think. I honestly thought that was it for me. I could picture myself dead. It was the worst thing ever and I really hope that people stop using this stuff. I never bother to write on any of these things, but reading all these other posts lets me know I am not the only one who went through this.

Thank you for your time,

Erika

Gordon
9:46 pm February 25th, 2013

Dear Erika,
Your message is not unique, I am just as concerned about you as everyone I’ve come in contact with and for good reason. When you put this behind you and you can please take the time to write back and share your expeiriences with others. Why you have tried this poison is one thing you can work on after you have made a commitment to Yourself to never do this again. I put in caps Yourself because stopping for someone else like your boyfriend, family or even children doesn’t make it, it is something you can only do for Yourself and your the only one who can. From my reading cold turkey is what works with this, a few days that are difficult and you will start getting back to where you were. I don’t know if there is an exact to do list I haven’t seen or heard of one. I have read and do myself use vitamin supplements to build up my strength and clean out my system. Vitamin D,E, omega oils and some for detoxing yourself to clean out these chemicals. There are notes about the ingredients of this incense if you think theres anything natural or healthy about it. I also suggest that you pray to your higher power for strength, courage and the will to get thru this. If you can get some exposure to meditation and deep breathing exercising they will help you to overcome the anxiety. You’ll be fine, maybe it will take a little longer for your mind to clear up but again you’ll be fine. Stick with the winners and don’t be shy to ask for help there are a lot of caring people on this board, we each help the other with our common goal.
Best Regards,
Gordon

Francesca
3:27 am February 26th, 2013

With these reports of very unnerving, scary symptoms, I do not understand what is positive about this incense. Someone gave it to me once, and I thought it was regular pot, and if I was a violent sort, I might have punched him when it wore off. But, I had to lie down immediately, felt like I was dying, could not focus, blurry vision. It made me miss one of the world series games which I wouldn’t have done for anything! This was my boyfriend who gave it to me without telling me. And he is the one who died from it. He died from a fatal seizure and heart attack. And my life is so empty without him, and he selfishly left me here thinking about all the times I begged him to stop, cried because he could not stop, could not stand to be around him as he had left his body while tripping and could not be accessed. It was so sad for his sister and I watching both her brothers “check out” and take such risks with their health. Then my pothead boyfriend had found something better for which he could never go back to plain pot again. If only pot had been legal or that he could have gotten a script. It has been 3-1/2 months. It feels like forever, and it seems worse now as time goes on with me wanting his presence and looking forward to seeing him, then realizing that I will not and that my life is dead and empty now. We had something special; he made me happy. Please don’t kill your loved ones by getting hooked on this! Get help, work hard to find it if you have to! Ask for help!

Anon254
5:59 pm February 27th, 2013

I’ve had these long term effects listed above for about two months now. Will they go away or should I see a doctor?

Gordon
11:09 pm March 7th, 2013

Dear Anon254,
I would never suggest to anyone who’s feeling poorly not to see a doctor. The incense is a group of chemicals that burn they have no connection with marijuana, recently I read on here a description of the contents of this so called incense, look back and search for it. I’m sure you will catch some other descriptions of how some people are doing after stopping using this stuff. If you go to a judgemental doctor who can’t get out of his own way to be of help move on, some advice comes out just like critisim or just a plain old judgemental lecture. These doctors have done more harm than help and don’t even see it. Only God has the right to judge. I would suggest having your blood work done for vitamins and other basic health levels. If you aren’t paying enough attention to eating good foods and even drinking the recomended water intake, maybe even coconut water to get your hydrated. Keep thinking positivley, ask questions of people who have had success and stick with the winners. Since you don’t use this anymore you will see improvement even if it takes a little longer than you think it should. I pray every day ask for help and give thanks for what I have received. Try meditation the calming effects will help you recharge your energy and a good time to reflect and be at peace with yourself and your surroundings. I think your doing fine and reaching out to others with success will carry you thru. Please let us know how your doing and if you have any questions or concerns. Pray for strength and comfort. You are not alone.
God Bless,
Gordon

The girl who lost everything
1:30 am March 15th, 2013

I have been smoking it for over a year. I have recently stopped. it took me being froze, cold, and homeless to stop. Lost my family home and alot of money. now that im off of it after a while i realized what it was doing to me. ALL THE THINGS I READ IS TRUE! now I have to sit and watch what it is doing to my friends and family. until you get away from it you dont realize it. Its crazy. HOW DO I HELP THEM? PLEASE PLEASE someone help.

The girl who lost everything
1:38 am March 15th, 2013

If someone can give me advice please do so. alot of people in our town are destroying there lives while the head shops are getting rich! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HELP!

shamana1
3:16 pm March 15th, 2013

report it the city and headshop to the dea and fbi local narcotics team

Gordon
3:49 am March 19th, 2013

Dear ‘The girl who lost everything ‘
The Best way to Help these people you love is without falter set a GOOD example. Your success will tell the whole story. Pray for your own strength and ask that yours be shared thru testimony. It may get very difficult for you but remember your traveling the right path if they want what you have they will have to follow your example.
In the early days I been called just about everything, it was so hard to respond with supportive words and methods. The Lord will give you the strength. 23 Psalm
Gordon

Ezme
8:20 am March 26th, 2013

I smoke bake for about a year. i stopped about a month ago. My first time smoking it was scary. It was like I was in a tornado, i couldnt breathe, my head was spinning. i was 15 when i started. i can tell you one thing… do not start smoking it. My sister has been on it for three years and still going strong. Skitzo, bipolar, flash blacks, anxiety, vomiting, & bleeding ulcers. this is by far WORSE than meth. it sucks up your money and before you know it your scrounging up change to buy a bag so youll stop vomiting. yeah, the high might be great… the feeling in your neck… right when it kicks in… but the high lasts for about 10 minutes for someone whos smoked it awhile. if you wanna get high PLEASE go the natural. Marijuana. shes the only wife you should have. on a side note i found this stuff at a head store that gives you a high. no chemicals. just herbs. gives u a 15 min high, legal, and comes with a pack of papers. if anyone lives in okc i know they sell it at Mr. Coolz and 23rd st. :) BUT id still choose pot.

Ezme
8:25 am March 26th, 2013

also, do NOT scrape your pipe to metal shavings for resign. (i think thats how you spell it) it just puts metal shavings, or glass shavings if you smoke out of a glass pipe, in your lungs, throat, stomach, and in your intestines. (my theory when i was tripping out on bake.) makes since though.

Ive also choked my self by shoving my hand down my throat several times and been POSSESSED by a demon named Paxton. hes a cocky little guy too.

Jaseeka1986
8:01 am April 15th, 2013

@spicesux I wrote this a month or two ago, and apparently didn’t get to post it! I apologize for that. Here’s what I wrote then, and at the end I’ve added updates & more of what I wanted to say to you:

@spicesux Hi!! So very nice to hear from you again. I know the only reason I remember the exact date I quit was because I almost died that day. It makes me soo happy to hear you’ve quit completely & it has been almost a year for you, too. I remember we were battling around the same time, and hearing from you helped me very much. I’ve updated my email to alert me to new posts, I will continue to check back in, in case you have more updates to share, too.
You are absolutely correct about the reading. Because of the neurological problems this poison causes, it may be frustrating at first, but nothing but benefit can come from the brain exercise of reading; we just have to be calm & try our best. It will become easier & easier for us.
I wish you so much happiness. Support is one of the most important things, I’ve found. And it’s honestly why I made a commitment to try to help anyone I can with getting through this. I was paying close attention to this forum, and people who needed a kind word or inspiration, when I was going through the withdraw of it. It really helped me, too, as well as others. My family turned their backs on me, so I went through this completely alone, and didn’t want anyone to feel that way; it’s not right. Speaking of those who help others, GORDON is a constant rock of faith who helps others who need it. God Bless him! Rarely do we find people like this, who are there to pick people up, and demonstrating such faith while doing so. Seeing someone not only “talk the talk” but also demonstrate this kindness to others, for me, this is a huge deal. I see he replied to you, too, that is wonderful! If you have any questions, spicesux, about anything that helped me or anything at all, I am here for you. I am so proud & happy that you are as strong as you are. I agree, too, about not having time to read.. I was just saying this to a friend of mine(he reads a lot), I have such an interest in learning(I get this feeling from you, that you also do) so a great idea inspired by your great idea, is maybe to watch good documentaries, or find books on tape? I’ve always thought about this but forgot about books on tape, so thank you for your suggestion about reading! Great! :)
One more thing, the dumb feeling you spoke of.. You may remember I mentioned having this for a while, too, about 3 months! I am beyond lucky that I came out of it. The fact that you are able to be as articulate as you are is GREEEAT! Because this means it’s out of your system, especially if it’s been a year, so this means we just have to exercise our brains again to get back to where we were. This stuff brought us down, so we have to work our way back up. And for those who stop smoking this, this dumb feeling will become less & less, until it’s felt not at all! Which is great! This gives you hope, and that’s just what you need during this time. Anything to hope for & look forward to is a reason to smile & feel better.
You sound very smart, by the way! So I can totally see that you were an honor student. You will never lose this or the potential! :)
Once this stuff has detoxed from our systems(which seemed to take a long time being that it took me 3 months after quitting cold turkey!) you will go nowhere but up. You will start remembering better, and having your normal behavior back, because you’re becoming healthy again. Honestly, I never thought I’d be better again. It was very scary, too. The fact the behavior, feelings & illness are caused by detox means that it has to get better; this means one day it will then fully be out of your system & the behavior will be nonexistent. That gave me much hope. Know that you will get better & better.
Soo great to hear from you, spicesux! Keep in touch, friend. :) I want to know how you are doing & if you have any more milestones or good advice. :) Sooo much love to you! God Bless you! ;)

To all those battling this. IT DOES GET BETTER. SO much better. It will be over soon, just know this. This stuff is poison, and the way it affects our body is evidence of this. No one knows what this stuff is. It’s worse than meth because at least they know roughly what’s in it! Even after all my research, I wasn’t able to track down one single chemical that was constant in this. It’s research chemicals, and some assholes just apply some science in how it’s used to get high. Stick with natural substances. You will never go wrong! If you want to live your life without any substances, that is even greater! If you choose to get high occasionally, stick to marijuana. You will never overdose from it. Ever. It’s safe. In my humble opinion you should stay away from alcohol, completely. Just love life, and be thankful for everything. There’s SO much beauty in the world. We have to see it everyday. It’s in every one of us, this beauty is.
One of the best pieces of advice I think I gave when going through this, was to watch funny or happy things as much as possible, whether on TV or the internet. Laugh as much as possible! Exercise if you can! Both these things will release natural endorphines & make your happy & feel wonderful, relying on nothing else! It took me 3 months to smile even, after this experience.. So I know how valuable smiles & laughter are. And how therapeutic they are!

God Bless you all, you all have the strength. So much love to every one of you. :) You deserve love & are wonderful people. You must know this. <3

Fnord
11:39 pm April 20th, 2013

Meh.

So many anecdotal stories here and ZOMG-style reactions from folks who have maybe tried something once and think they know what they’re talking about.

I’ve smoked weed off and on (mostly on) for decades. I’ve also tried “spice” in various forms, and even smoked straight JWH-018 (when it was still legal). Use your heads, people- too much of ANY drug will f you up, go e you weird experiences, ,are you feel like you’re going to die, etc.

Part of the problem with so-called “spice” is that it comes in so many forms with different ingredients. A packet of one type may be different strength than other packets of a different type. Compound this with the very real problem of (lack of) quality control and “hot spots” (areas of unusually high concentrations of the active ingredients), and sure- you gotta be careful.

OF COURSE IT’S NOT WEED- what idiot would think it is? Just because it tickles similar areas of the brain doesn’t make it identical.

Be careful, take it slow, use your brain, and you’ll be fine.

So much bs info and paranoia about this stuff… I do agree, however, that it shouldn’t be available to minors.

Rob
2:44 am May 3rd, 2013

Im in a state where it isnt legal so its a bit harder to get. ive run dry after a few weeks of use and ill wake up not knowing what day it is, i vaigly remember anything within the last hour, and i strain to remember anything thats happened in the past month.. plus i have this mean ass cough that cough syrup wont help.

ILLUMINATI
4:55 pm May 16th, 2013

actualy there are many people that have sezures or pass out…
i think it can be controled by the state of mind your in when u are hitting it..nd u cant hit it hard like bud cause..u can still ghost hit french inhale nd rings..but i dont think u should play “mexican sweat:”where u hit it hold it pass it nd let it out when it gets back to you. i do belive the gov wants population reduction that explanes why tabbaco and alcohal are legal nd monsoto GMO foods…

Gordon
2:24 am May 26th, 2013

Dear Rob, I am sending you this note which I hope will make you see how your lifestyle looks from the outside in. This is far from a critical message please have faith in that. How you got exposed to this stuff I don’t know but I will guess someone you know was using it and brought you along. As a friend try to be supportive to those you know who are using this phony product. We all have things that trouble us inside that we don ‘t think we can change, well maybe we can’t but what we can do is accept whatever it is and work towards letting it go and not allowing it to happen again. I hope you get up tomorrow look at it as a new start, forget about smoking and replace it with anything that is helpful to you and the people around you that are interested. When I got sober there were more than a few people I had to tell straight up “I’m not around anymore”. Most tried to talk me into coming around and don’t use I,it would be o.k. with them but I knew I couldn’t and eventually when I felt comfortable my hand would be reaching out for a hit and off I’d be. Your mind will clear up in time, that cough will take some time and you will probably be coughing up that crap for a while, I think it was months and I recall someone saying it was strange not hearing me coughing and spitting up some thick nasty mass. What ever it was that made you start using whether to fit in or escape some bad feelings this will not make anything for you better. Stop for yourself, say no for yourself don’t bother joking around about it or trying to replace it with something else. Take each day as it comes, don’t let others bring you down because they need someone that makes them look better. If you can find a 12 step group nearby, there all over, find someone to speak with that has been straight for some time and you’ll get thru it. You’ll start seeing the good things around you or find new things and places to do. Helping others is a great way to remember how bad life was and how good it is today being straight hanging out with good folks doing good things. Give yourself a timeframe, lets say 90 days and compare how your doing compared to how you were doing. Remember do it for yourself to make yourself feel good. Let me know how it’s going, I will respond. If you need to write everyday that’s O.K. I’m here for you and your worth every second of time it takes. Pray for support you’ll receive it, I did! Gordon

Gordon
2:36 am May 26th, 2013

Dear ILLUMINATI,
People don’t need to worry about the Gov. controlling life or death, they need to take a look at what they’re doing to themselves. Give this poison up and stop supporting these selfish dirt bags who are out there for the money even at your life’s expense. Call me what you want I wish you well and if I can help you turn it around I’m here. I’ve been there, it was so bad one day I realized I had no one or anything left, I couldn’t even take care of myself and had no where to turn. That was many years ago now but I still clearly remember how people treated me and looked at me when I didn’t have the MONEY!
Some pain is so deep you have to change, there’s no where but up!
Believe me, some will never let you forget but that’s their crutch, it’s not me they’re talking about today.

Gordon
2:47 am May 26th, 2013

Fnord,
Only a lightweight thinks that this or any of this kind of crap is O.K. Keep reading and try to get the picture, these folks are no different than you or I or anyone else. Trust me no one is Superman when it comes to poison or throwing your life away. I hope someday you’ll get straight without to much damage.
Best Regards and Prayers
.

Gordon
2:57 am May 26th, 2013

Dear Everyone,
Here are some statistics about how drug using is hurting everyone, the Few who profit have no interest in anyone and I mean even their own blood. They are lower than low, they are not bad or cool.

http://archives.drugabuse.gov/about/welcome/aboutdrugabuse/magnitude/

A
1:12 pm June 9th, 2013

hey all smoked green for 10 years , although been trying to cut down lately..

A friend told me about this synthetic stuff a little while ago. Anyway last night he rolled a joint with some in and said try it (i didnt quite realise what was in it) and another friend toked it too not knowing (he had double the pulls i did).

anyway my heart started racing and my breathing got shallow. didnt feel quite right. However, i had a big panic attack years ago from weed so i knew the moment would pass.

my friend dissapeared to the bathroom after 5 mins and stayed up there.. i went out the back and really didnt feel so good.

my friend came down and he was not in a good way, was very upset and thought he was dieing.. i told him dont worry it will pass but it did linger and i think he went through the worst of it (a hour or two later he was fine) but i did feel very sickly and generally like i couldnt move when we were watching tv.

I still feel weird today, but hopefully will pass.

My other friends seemed fine but they had it before. I tried to reason with them it’s dangerous and not fully tested but its down to them if they listen.

for me im not trying the stuff again and going to see how i go without smoking green at all cos it was not a nice feeling.

i would hate for a 12-15 year old to go through this. At least weed is natural unlike this chemical laden substance. It didn’t really feel like weed as well, reminded me of salvia to a little extent (but again, once and never again..)

Ron
3:33 pm June 9th, 2013

Felt that i was dying, yes, it happend to me, but it’s only when you are not ready, other times i smoked after that bad experience, i knew i need to concentrate on positive thinks, and then sometimes it felt like heaven.

Your mind is like wondering around the room, it’s expanding of counciosness, not death.. Saying that, it’s still can be risky because i can’t always control what i think, and last times it was mixed: I felt those bad feelings like death but i knew it was only imagination. And when i concentrate about positive feelings it was great:)
Like extreem sport, lunapark, and alcohol, the bad is part of the experience, oh, i’m talking also about real weed, synthetic most of the time caused negative reactions including closness to death.. I won’t buy weed anymore, but if there is a party and other people around etc. then it’s safe enviroment, what do you think?

Pastor NoSpice
11:36 am June 12th, 2013

I have been dealing with kids with various addictions and behavioural problems for over 10 years, in my experience I have not seen anything like this drug before, it seems like it is more addictive than crack or meth, we operate an open door policy, so we have young teens coming into our centre, often at late hours and we try not to judge, we can’t allow any illegal drugs whilst the kids are taking part of the learning/motivation programs, some of the staff (myself included) have a history with drug usage and addiction, many of the kids we see openly talk about smoking hash or grass often without major damage to their lives we deal more with alcoholism and social issues more than anything, a brand called Mr.Niceguy is available here in various strengths, since it is legal and not considered a problem by many authorities it falls outside our jurisdiction and the overwhelming majority of counsellors and Pastors did not think it a problem to allow it at first, seeing as we allow tobacco and it was legal… Serious mistake, after several of the counsellors themselves began smoking it regularly I thought I would try it as well, as someone who smoked a great deal of weed in college I thought it would be a weak counterfeit to the real thing and that it would give me a little insight into what the big fuss was about, I became addicted to it within a few weeks and could not go more than a few days without it, avoiding my wife and children so I could smoke more, the program descended into utter chaos with various spice junkies hanging out and smoking all the time, people were experiencing hallucinations, heart palpitations and other symptoms, serious mood swings and violent behaviours, I saw the warning signs and managed to get off the stuff with the help of my wife, the program shut down in order to break the cycle and many of the boys who we were helping left with me to a separate centre to help them get off the spice. Now I am trying to raise awareness of how terrible this legal drug is, I cannot fathom how it is legal and being sold in gas stations all over, it is clearly seriously addictive and terrible, with damage seen in terms of memory and social function. Stay well away from this evil junk, several of the Pastors were removed from office given that they demonstrated terribly poor judgements, selling and smoking with the at risk youth, we are talking careers of 30+ years, good people who could not hold it together on this stuff.

Gordon
5:11 pm July 11th, 2013

Dear Ron,
Please keep reading the letters people have written and believe that this stuff is bad news. Why make life any harder than it is. The effects of drugs particularly chemicals like this don’t just last for a while they can effect your whole life. Look around I’m sure you know a few people that have lost everything and everyone, don’t take it for granted that can’t be you. Your health is one thing you can’t afford to lose. While getting through the tough times ask your higher power, for me it’s the Lord, for strength and ask that this is over for you forever.
Gordon

steven
12:09 pm July 16th, 2013

ive smoked weed for 10 years, and yesterday was the 1st time ive tried synthetic marijuana. Ive tried LSD(acid) a few times and I think im the type who doesnt easily get hallucinations.

Anyway i tried some of this stuff called everest (its labeled as higher than K2 so im assuming its derived from K2) It tasted and smelt like the real thing … and the initial buzz feeling was like marijuana … and then … it kept getting stronger and stronger.

Similar to how you get when you smoke alot of weed, i began to realize that i had become really really high and was losing control of my senses. It felt that with every heartbeat i was becoming more stoned. Ive had similar experiences with weed but this was different and much more intense.

I remember thinking to myself … oh boy, here we go …. im not ready for this. I then made my way to my room so that i could crash on my bed and ride this thing out. However as soon as i got to my bed i was many more times higher than when i was in the kitchen. When i landed on my bed i began to have the feeling of free falling. I then became a bit scared because this was unlike anything i have ever experienced before. It felt like my free fall had become me spiraling down into a black hole of nothingness, and there was nothing i could do to stop it from swallowing me, i was completelly helpless …. and thats when i thought… this must be how it feels like to die.

From there things got bizzare and i cant quite explain well what happened. I remember calling out for help and that i was dieing (yet nobody was home). I thought about what my family would think, or if i made it out of this would my mind be allright ? It litereally felt like i had broken my mind, like this is what crazy people experience, it felt like i was going through a psychotic meltdown.

I remember walking around the house, feeling like i was in another dimension, seeing weird colors everywhere, , then crashing back into my bed … then repeating the same thing over and over. It felt like ground hog day, like i was stuck in some type of time loop or something.

The feeling of dread, like i had made a really bad decision was all pervasive, you know when you see stories of people dieing on tv and you think to yourself sometimes, what their last moments were like ? did they realize they were about to die ? did they regret the choices that lead them to that situation ? Did they feel helpless ?

well it feels like i had a near death experience and i dont want another one :/

You could chalk it up to a bad 1st trip, but i dont care, im done with this stuff. Natural weed is far safer and more enjoyable

Jaseeka1986
5:27 am July 27th, 2013

@Fnord
Meh..
Are you a pusher(My first thought/gut feeling)? If so – Get off this page. I’m the nicest person anyone would meet, but seeing as how you try to use subtle tactics to persuade people with addictions(& thus, problems) to have a casual or nonchalant approach to a drug that clearly is being made by meth-grade cultivators & contains heavy metals & other various poisons, I have a bit less sympathy. I see through this charade, sir.. Even though.. I still reach out to you & wish you the best. If you are not a pusher, but a user, I am most definitely here for you! I went through this & it almost killed me. You can rebut this fact as you see fit, just know I will be here to knock it down, with facts & love to back me up.
When I was using this, it made me go slowly & subtly in-sane. I didn’t know until it was much too late, that I even had changed. My memory was affected first, then slowly I became un-empathetic to others(though still more empathetic at this point than some, which is crazy!). My conclusion I came to, is that this most certainly contains heavy metals.. The symptoms fit so well.. The productive cough, the general & ever-present ill feeling, the loss of mind, the loss of memory, imminent feeling of death or hypochondria.. It’s just downright sad, and I cannot stand by & hear/read(lol) someone belittle others pleading for help, sharing their stories or asking questions in general. This is a safeplace.. We want to keep it that way.
God Bless you, if you need to talk or want to ask any questions, I am here for you, for sure. I say this mainly because I myself had no clue it was affecting me, and got offended when I heard people talking bad about spice/incense. I remember saying, “If it’s bad for you, I’m the one to watch! And since I’m fine..” I found out the hard way, and all at once, when I felt my brain sizzling & cracking like bacon one day when it almost killed me.. I remember that “Family Guy” episode when Stewie made the clones of himself & Brian, and they were ‘degenerating’.. The clone(which falling apart physically – literally) says, “Hey Why does everything sound like rushing water..?” Then he melts.. Lmfao. That sound is brain damage occurring. ‘Nuff said! But back to my point.. If you want to talk, I’m here.. I left clues about my identity so Gordon could find me earlier in the log, if you go back you’ll find these clues.. Follow them & send me a request, if you feel.. I will surely accept it..

@Everyone I hope things are going well for everyone.. I apologize for not being on for a while, but stopped by & wanted to see what’s up with everyone.. This website/forum saved my life. 100%. If it weren’t for this forum, I wouldn’t have had an outlet to express my angst & general cluelessness as to what was happening to me, and find others who experienced the EXACT same symptoms. That was a breakthrough.. to know I wasn’t just “Crazy” & “Out for attention” as family members & others put it. It really helped me.. And I thank God for such kind people as Gordon, who do such loving & caring work reaching out to others & telling them everything will be fine & giving great advice.. We need more people like this in the world..
God Bless, everyone.. *Extremely Tight Hugs* ;)

“Be the change you want to see in the world”.. Mahatma Gandhi..

Tracey W
10:21 am July 29th, 2013

I was wondering if anyone knows of any Class Action Lawsuits relating the permanent brain/physical damage caused by the use of Spice any manufacture/any brand. My life has been completely ruined from this stuff & I think someone should be responsible!

Zoe
3:24 pm August 5th, 2013

Wow – genuinely can’t believe the amount of responses from people who have had an eerily similar experience to me.

I seriously believed that I was the only person who experienced this horrible, nasty evil ‘DYING’ feeling. I thought I was the only person in the whole world who had ever experienced it, it felt so supernatural and .. out of this world. Simply madness. It was the most disturbing and petrifying thing that’s ever happened to me. I’m trying to articulate this feeling with a word, that would help those who haven’t experienced it to understand the pure terror of the feeling but I seriously cannot. There isn’t a word horrible enough out there.

I was at my best friend’s house and we’d been up all night on Mandy (mdma), pills and a speedy type thing I think.. I was 17 years old at the time, I’m 18 now, and have/had been taking illegal drugs (not crack or heroin or meth but pretty much all the ‘fun’ party ones) on the weekends with friends for recreational purposes since I was about 14. I know that drugs are neither big or clever, but I was very ‘well acquainted’ with them – I knew exactly what to expect from them, knew how long it would take me to come up, knew exactly what kind of dose I should be taking for certain feelings, knew where to get them, knew what to do if a friend freaked out ..

So when I was offered some legal weed at about 4 in the morning at my friends a while after we’d taken our proper drugs, I thought yeah, why not. It’ll help me sleep. I’ve smoked marijuana on a regular basis since I was younger too, so didn’t think twice about legal weed. If anything I think I was quite sceptical about it even ‘doing anything’ to me.

So, I went outside and had a toke or two. Felt fine. Smoked some more. And then I started feeling WEIRD as fuck. I went back inside and told my best friend that I thought I was going to die. Her and her boyfriend just laughed at me, in a ‘oh my god you are so wasted’ kind of way. And then I layed down. Big mistake.

I’d never freaked out or ‘gone weird’ before, although when I took LSD I didn’t have a great experience – NOTHING, absolutely nothing was as bad as this. it was like all my nightmares, all the negative thoughts I’d ever had, all my fears and all the deaths in the whole world rolled into one thing.

I felt paralyzed, like I wasn’t able to pull myself up again. The most awful thoughts were going round and round in my head, there was a voice. A voice as clear as day, “this is it. you’ve done it now. you’re going to die. this is it. you’ve done it now. you’re going to die. you’re dying zoe, this is it.. welcome to hell, this is it, welcome to hell, you’ve really done it this time, idiot” phrases like that. And the word “shit” was going round and round and I could genuinely see the word floating around in my brain. I felt pure panic, although I wasn’t capable of moving or doing anything about it as I was stuck in my own bubble of death. The voice wasn’t just a voice, it was words too. So so real, and I wasn’t making the voice up, it wasn’t my own “head voice” if that makes sense. I do not hear scary voices in day to day life, just my own.. the voice you are using in your head now to read this piece of writing. But yeah, it wasn’t that voice. It was a higher powers voice, maybe God’s or Satans or.. fuck man I don’t even know but it was awful. Pure torture, pure panic, pure psychosis, a pure melt down.

Over these voices, I could see my family.. the two most important people to me, my mum and my granny. Writing this now is making my eyes water, I could see them at my funeral. I remember having an awareness/other thought that I should call them and tell them how sorry I was for killing myself with drugs and how much I loved them, but I wasn’t able to. I think this was because I was still paralysed.

The voice had slowed down, although it was still saying the same alarming things.. But it was just becoming slower, quiter and the words were more strung out. I felt that this was because all of my internal organs were shutting down. I felt light and even weaker and even less like I was able to move. I couldn’t even open my eyes.

And that was it. I thought I had died. but then, the most amazing thing happened. I WOKE UP!!!!!

It was about 4 hours later and it was the morning. I was so, so happy. I am eternally grateful to the higher power or God or whoever it may have been who was up there that night fighting for my life.

This stuff is not a joke, it is not something to be messed around with. DO NOT BONG IT, bonging ordinary weed gives you such an intense hit, oh my I couldn’t imagine how intense a hit of legal weed from a bong would be.. 4 measly tokes are enough to put you in a what seems like a never ending vortex of psychosis and death.

If you really have to smoke it, please DO NOT over do your limits. I could sit there and smoke 10 normal joints and be totally fine just tired, I could take a gram of mdma in an hour and be great!. This stuff is UNPREDICTABLE. five tokes is probably just as intense as fifty.

Thank you for reading. Stay well away from this crap and bless you all x

wickedclownjake
3:05 am September 7th, 2013

I bought a 10 gram bag of night train for 55 bucks thinking that was a good deal.When i got home i filled my hitter box and smoked all day over and over just to keep a buzz.It got to were i only caught that one good buzz every morning.So about an hour ago i put the rest in my box and cut the package open and scraped the bag.I got about two hitters worth of dust.I loaded my hitter half and half n hit it.I thought i was going to die and could have.PLEASE dont do it.Buy real weed if you wanna live.

Travis
3:19 am September 27th, 2013

I first tried spice in 2009 while on active duty. I had quit many times, ie. deployment and bannings of chemicals but always had the urge to return to it. i have been addicted to this crap for about year. i just quit again 2 weeks ago for good this time! the negative effects spice has is terrifying. my whole body has a constant numb feeling that DOES NOT go away atleast it hasn’t yet. i am scared i have PERMENANTLY damaged myself. i come to this blog hoping this will be banned once and for all. does anyone know if the numbness disappears?

Dava McCord
6:24 pm September 27th, 2013

I got on the stuff just the something to do.I had stop Drinking did little amounts of coaine pills seen people do pills had teeth problems they I tried them too much speeds stayed up all night could not get a orgasm not me am a Whore . So with the fake week it has inhanst so se x was the greatest for along drung changes all the time my thought prossess has changed and smarter now its has gave me the most motorvation I wen back with my whole life and on this sht my the shit smoking this shit on time I prayed to a ll the gods and I DONT BELIEVED IN GOD . He cant have all the power . this stuff has thought me to get something u build engery say hi thats power straight out your life every thing .Kids food exersixe and the power am gonna biuld a cab company ,SMOKING THIS I thought of way to change .bottom line it has exspan my mind spot very addtives more than ciggerittes AS a former drug dealer I wouldn,t sell the it make u a loser this is the geatest drug out thier peoiod my spell is bad cause this . but I BELIEVE THOUGHTS ont his tell u more

Chris
4:44 am October 4th, 2013

Me.devil: by far the absolute worst trip I have ever seen. My buddies smoked it and freaked out. One of them started screaming bloody murder at the top of his lungs and the other one couldn’t breathe and was throwing up all over himself. I’m only posting this to hopefully save someone from doing it. Don’t mess with Mr. Devil. THIS STUFF IS BAD

josh
4:18 am October 27th, 2013

I work in a marijuana paraphernalia shop. the store sells brainfreeze. ive been smoking Brainfreeze (synthetic marijuana) every day for the past half year. and disliked the feeling every time. ive vomited severeal ocations even to the point of over thirty times in a row while shaking vigorasley and fading in and out of consousness truly feeling death holding my hands for hours only to wake up feeling tired and forgetting about Mr. Death visiting me. so then I go and consume the brainfreeze again (I know it seems stupid to do it again. But I do??????). i’m 20 years old have a kid on the way, and I don’t want to die, but yet I keep consuming something that puts me so close to death. any other time I’ve consumed something was cause of curiosity, I needed it, or I liked. this is the only thing I’ve ever continuously consumed that I dislike completely. so if I don’t like anything about it why do I consume it. why am I escaping reality when I want to be in it????

josh
5:30 am October 27th, 2013

why cant they ban the active chemical in synthetic weed which would make all of them elegal no matter what name it go’s by

t
7:45 am November 9th, 2013

Beware this is going to be long lol

I’m also a person that doesn’t normally write on other’s blogs because I normally feel it’s useless. Let me start off by saying I’m no saint; I am heavily dependant on xanax I can take an outrageous amount and feel… maybe a hint of relaxation for say 15 minutes if that. It’s regulated to the point where I take it only to feel normal. I started on it because it was fun at first; a quarter of a bar; you pass out but wake up feeling awesome and hungry. Then you go through the I don’t give a f stage and you do some crazy things and do some violent things and get mad easily and this downer became an upper. However everyone around me then knew I was barred out because it made me hyper and I could stay up for days and I would always want to go do things when I was more of a homebody before. Here comes the part where my boyfriend has been smoking any and all brands of this stuff for approximately a year and a half now; can’t quit and justifies his addiction because I have mine and now we know there are withdrawls and him nor I want to face our respective months of torture. Both drugs have long term affects however I truly do have anxiety and I no longer get high I feel sober all the time and I have better impulse control than I use to before I was a mother. Mind you I am only 25 and I am only referring to when I was 22 and younger. Anyways lets skip to how it started.

At first a $40 bag of Kush, 11 grams, (later on found for $20 till that store got busted) lasted 3 days between 3 people; My boyfriend, a roommate and I sometimes. First time I tried it I hit it three times and had the bad trip like so many people say; ironically after I hit it and I don’t even have a tolerance to weed so thinking this stuff coming out of a legal store couldn’t possibly do much; a friend who was over who didn’t smoke it told me there were reports of people going to the hospital over the stuff and I nearly wanted to but didn’t want to feel like a dumbass for going to the hospital over a bad trip once I got sober. If she had said something before I would have never tried it. I rode it out and said I would never hit it again but somehow I tried it a few more times just taking less hits. Never had the bad trip again; just sometimes feeling like an elephant was sitting on my chest and I knew that intense feeling would fade in 15 minutes or so or I would just pass out. In the beginning it was a social thing; a blunt between three people every 2 hours or so. I never smoked as much or as often as the other two; but I also don’t smoke ciggarettes or weed. I mostly did it as a social thing with him and my roommate as I didn’t share in smoking cigarrettes or weed lol. My boyfriend and roommate smoked it because they were on probation; I had issues related to my son which was probation-like so everyone was getting ua’d. I thought this stuff harmless enough and my boyfriend had 2 very big scares for failing ua’s with mj before but the judge had mercy on him and didn’t violate him. Before he would just use the body cleansing systems or use water pills to dilute when he smoked the real stuff but the two times it didn’t work were truly scary experiences and he couldn’t keep risking his freedom like that; we have a 3 year old now and at the time he was only 1 ish. This legal stuff seemed like a great solution. First 6 months I didn’t notice anything except his and our roommate’s tolerance were going up and one 11 gram bag per 3 days switched up and it was more like 2-3 bags a day! Between him and our roommate because I stopped I couldn’t stand the burning in my throat or the cough it gave me and sometimes I’d be dizzy when I woke up it just wasn’t that great of a high to me. I started noticing that between the two of them they had a blunt going at all times of the day sometimes 2 simultaneously! Still no harm no foul minus how expensive it was getting. Oh and the copious amounts of ashes everywhere because for some odd reason they both got too lazy to ash in an ashtray or sometimes pass out with blunt in hand; and sometimes they were on my computer and would ash on it or roll their blunts on it and get twigs and kush in my keyboard. To this day my shift key doesn’t always hit so letters that should be capitalized aren’t. You cannot begin to know how annoying that is to me and how utterly ridiculous it is that they cannot at least ash and the cigar guts; they are too lazy oftentimes to even make it to the trash can. I even made them their own trash can for cigar guts but that failed. my constant talking about them ashing on all counters and surfaces got me a lot of “stop nagging and you do lazy stuff too” type of comments so I just shut up and let them destroy our duplex. (Not that it was a nice one to begin with)

Fast forward to now. My boyfriend has not been in trouble with probation again and we haven’t had to go to court and haven’t had scares with ua’s anymore. We have moved to a house where it was beautiful; now some rooms are starting to look like the old duplex. In a given day I can see 10-20 cigars being gone through from my boyfriend alone and it’s gotten so bad I believe he’s resorted to lying about how much he smokes but I know it’s more than a bag a day like he says because he’s constantly running out of money and he goes to the store for something numerous times a day. The roommate I referred to before moved to this house with us; but a few months in has gone on and now we are more like enemies; or at least I just don’t associate with her because hating and being enemies eh just seems like too much energy. (However she seems to easily agitate me just talking about her and I have learned to pick my battles fairly well and this girl that’s 4 years younger than me can still push my buttons.. and the fact she can get me mad makes me mad! lol) Before she moved out though all I saw them do was smoke. All day long. They argued over who buys the next bag; who smoked the last cigar; it was so dope-fiendish to me. They both started getting snappier. My boyfriend already is a tell you how he feels type of person; and already had trouble controlling his temper all the time; but now he can NEVER control his anger and ANYTHING angers him even down to if you ask if he’s okay. You might get a response like “Why N***** why’s it concern you why you always trying to figure me out” or something stupid mean and insensitive like that. The roommate was always a push-over and more passive- now she smoked and drank a lot and got the liquid courage to actually speak up and argue back with my boyfriend. Sometimes she just pure got an attitude and became a brat for no reason and I had to check her on it when I never had to before. I don’t just get attitudes with people; I think of myself as polite and can handle a lot and talk kindly to people until you speak crazy to me so her attitudes to me were always uncalled for.

They argued about the dumbest things all the time and my boyfriend even started getting violent with her; not hitting her but destroying her stuff or cornering her and just being a bully and she would egg it on also and he was just being really snappy mean and aggressive to everyone! At first I thought it was just me; we had been together too long and he had just got comfortable; or he was just tired of seeing the same faces everyday; but he started telling me stories of how he got so mad at some stranger some convenient store guy or whatever. The normally friendly guy I met and fell in love with was changing into a selfish mean bully that had a chip on his shoulders for no reason and became a glass half empty guy. We no longer could talk it was always arguments. I broke up with him for approximately 7 months in which time we still lived together but I had to show him he was taking me for granted. I had to show him that his actions and behaviours were going to make him lose me; someone he claims is the love of his life. Before this stuff I was madly in love with this man; enough to have a child with him. Even through our crazy episodes we were able to resolve things and our highs were high and we have been through a lot in our lives and we were best friends then; could tell each other nearly anything and compromised for our relationship. I always wanted to be near him touch him I was so happy I thought I found my forever. Through tactless years of mistreatment of me and doing all the most horriblest things you can do in a relationship; fighting, cheating, and our passion fizzling to dang near a nill; I had to break up with him. I believe that’s what sealed the deal. I’m a romantic at heart and he was killing our romance by being so mean! He hates being thought of as mean; has said so many times but he doesn’t change and just points out how I’m not perfect. I’ve attempted to give this thing another try we’ve been back together for about a month and a half now; my godson passed away and it was truly the first close death that I have had to deal with and I didn’t want to waste another minute of my life arguing over petty things and in my godson’s honor I wanted to cherish all my loved ones. It made me start missing him; it made me wonder if I changed some of my ways maybe things could work. In the beginning it did; he was telling me he did take me for granted and he has never been happy a day of our break-up; we’re meant to be a unit and he still loved me as much if not more than before. Asked me to help him be a better person; gave me props for dissolving some situations that could have easily escalated because he still had the same pet peeves and we still constantly misconstrued what each other were talking about; arguments would nearly start but I would just suck it up and apologize even if I thought he was crazy. Most days I truly just think he’s crazy. It worked for 3 weeks; and he was all over me and our passion was coming back a little and the roommate moved out and I thought we could focus on us again. He’s not happy with that and he still smokes a lot and after the first 3 honey-moonish weeks if you can even call it that, things have gotten to the point where I want to break up again. We had a crazy argument; a semi-physical fight in public where I jumped out the car before he could go haywire in the middle of nowhere. All over an email where I addressed my concerns with his smoking and our passion and trying to communicate to him that I had needs and what I was dealing with; and maybe an email was better than talking face to face and he could email me back. I forgot to mention; he is also another person that has said a few times “I’ll quit tomorrow”or I need to quit because I want to be alive long enough to see my son have grandchildren. He wants to quit for health reasons but his addictive personality and his depression of his reality makes him run to the store as soon as he wakes up. I believe it’s the state of mind he always wants to be in; he cannot handle being sober for too long. That’s not even the worst part— it’s the change and the extreme at which his angry disposition is that is crazy. He doesn’t believe he’s changed; he won’t admit it’s the synthetic when everyone around him including his mother has seen it and she lives an hour away!

Last few days I have just kept to keeping my distance. He’s gotten so distant that he’ll actually tell me to leave our bedroom; sometimes he watches shows on the computer with me such as the voice; today he said “I don’t want to watch any shows and i don’t want you to narrate it to me either! i don’t want to hear about any shows.” Just like that; for no reason. All I can say is okayyyy and I’ve been in the living room writing this and he just comes out of the room every once in a while to go to the kitchen or something and pass by and maybe say I love you. It sees keeping my distance helps me because I don’t have to hear how annoyed he is with me; it’s sad but I think we just need our space or we are just not meant to be.

Then I find this site and a few others that had details about withdrawals. I never thought in a million years he had to face withdrawals from this. I thought it was like weed— at least in the quitting part. Now it makes him want to stop even less– such as I with the xanax. I think he doesn’t even get high either; I believe he smokes to feel normal. I’m at a loss; I don’t know what to do. People can say just leave; break up again; but it’s just not that simple. We have a child together and we live together and share responsibilities and now more than ever I believe this substance changed him and his brain chemistry; it didn’t just happen because of how our relationship evolved. I haven’t fallen back in infatuation with him but I look back on what we had all the time; we don’t even go on dates anymore and I’ve even asked him numerous times.

t
7:45 am November 9th, 2013

His mother is staying with us for a few weeks and she feels the same about the synthetic stuff; however she relapsed and she also is trying to become abstinant again from one of the worst drugs ever. She had 16 years sober and a hard break up had her relapsing. She gets to nag him about the smoking and the ashes and he has to take it; it’s his mom, and I no longer am the bad guy in his mind. They are one and the same; his mother and him. He needs her to quit and she needs him to quit and hopefully; in doling out advice to each other they will together have the strength to realize what an issue their addictions are; you can only preach so long before you start listening to yourself right? I hope so; if not I don’t see this lasting, but leaving him means me going back across the country and trying to split custody between states and him maybe spiraling more into a bigger hole. All I can think of is to pray; pray that our son and his health is enough to get him to quit. Oh– the coughing started a few month ago with the vomiting. Thought he had an ulcer but doesn’t. Didn’t realize until I read this site that other people were getting those symptoms along with the psychosis. I want to help him so much but when I try it doesn’t work; he grows more distant and shuts me out completely. He knows the right path; but his addiction won’t let go of it’s grasp on him. Plus he hates hearing about what he’s not doing right when he already is beating himself up for it. If he won’t even talk to me– what do we have? What do I have to work with? I don’t know how to deal with this at all. I feel stuck, limited to my options, conflicted in my emotions, and just overall helpless. I’m normally good at putting myself in other people’s shoes that’s why it seems at times I’m defending him or helping justify reasons why it’s hard for him to break this terrible addiction; but it truly is hard to break an addiction.

I wish they’d just ban head shops altogether. All the synthetic shit is making people go crazy literally and crazy people do not know they are crazy; and they are in a state of insanity. Thinking they can smoke their problems away and coping with things the same way hoping for a different result. Insanity.

Some days I just want to say “Enough! You don’t have to smoke today! Be a normal human being today and just don’t puff! Deal with life on life’s term’s today; feel your emotions for once and count your blessings, and above it all living with a insane person is going to drive me insane just say no today!” And then just throw away his cigars and bag and fight him if I have to for him to get the point.

I don’t have that strength though. ;( Also I figure he’d just storm off and go buy another bag. pfft. Staying is enabling and leaving is giving up on someone I care about.

I don’t know if i wrote this for advice; I know all about codependency and I’ve read all the advice articles; I kind of think I just typed this out to vent along with everyone else that has and maybe someone will read this and realize what they are doing to their loved ones; or just never to start up with this stuff. IF I had the same awareness with xanax, i wouldn’t have started with that ever!

Anywho.. thanks for reading if you did and I apologize it was so long.

Tristan
12:39 am November 30th, 2013

Hi, I am 14 years old. Two nights ago I was with a couple of people and they asked me if I wanted to smoke some shit called legal. Im not somebody who is a drug attic or anything I have smoked weed like twice. But anyways they finally convinced me to take a few hits. I ended up taking four hits. Seconds later I found everything spinning. My heart was beating so fast it felt like it was beating out of my chest. Alll the sudden I collapsed. My throat went dry and I went into a stage where I could see the people around me but could barely move and sweated really bad. It was like a huge dream. I woke up hours later. My friends mom drove me home and i have felt like junk since. I have headaches, dizziness, and I feel like im hot like all the time and i randomly cough. I need answers please ASAP! I am a track star at are school. And I cant let my parents find out i did this. Will this go away?!? How long will it take?

t
2:04 pm December 2nd, 2013

I think that some people may be capable of smoking it for a time before that effect snaps in. But when that awareness kicks in, it’s like the brain recognizes there’s something there and it dysfunctions. You’re brain either can’t tell the perceptive flavor or something, but when it actually kicks it, it does degrade your brain, it’s bad news kids. I mean bad. It may be age, it’s like being able to tell, it knocks you out of a loop and it hurts bad, it’s the worst feeling I’ve ever experienced, it was very painful and hopeless and it only last a few minutes but it felt like years went by.. I’m not kidding.

Mercedes
6:11 am December 5th, 2013

Hello just a concern friend. My friend has been smoking this a few months now and just decided this was it for her she never wants to touch it again. But now she’s having the withdrawals .She wants to know how long will it last? She hasn’t gone to the hospital and doesn’t plan to. Should she go and get evaluated?

emily
12:13 am January 4th, 2014

I AM WARNING AND BEGGING PEOPLE PLEASE DO NOT SMOKE THIS.. I am 20 year old female … I have smoked Marijuana for years, I have tried ice and pills. and have small hullisnations but NOTHING LIKE THIS…..my first time I had one small puff and instantly felt paranoid and lost all of my memory.. scared me but not enough I smoked it yesturday and in 2 minutes I lost all control. I have a broken foot I started to walk on it. and then collapsed on to the floor and went into a really bad trip…I felt like I had been taking to HELL. like the devil was terrorizing me!!!! I started screaming like I was horriflied ( I have no memory of this ) my uncle held me and said it will be okay.. I continued screaming I didn’t even see them or hear my family. all I could see, hear, and feel was DEATH. I couldn’t breath I had a fit and began to kick my family member out of control.. I was swearing WHAT THE FUCK FUCK OFF… It was something like I had never seen before. it was like something happens before you die. BUT IT WAS NOT A GOOD FEELING… I was going to hell. I couldn’t see my body all I was left with was my soul and the devil had my soul. taking me through the worst thoughts, pain, and feelings. I am a very strong person and for a young girl I can handle weed and ice BUT THIS ALMOST KILLED ME… I knew it was my punishment for smoking it. I have had panic attacks I was to frightened to sleep or to close my eyes incase I didn’t wake up or the devil would be in my face again…. thank GOD I had my aunty after 10 mintues I heard her talking to me.. I started begging please keep talking to me HOLD ME. DO NOT LEAVE ME… keep talking to me! because that was the only thing in reality . I felt like I was slipping away I was very sad I thought my life was over and I was thinking of my family members. saying goodbye to them in my head…. I prayed like I have never prayed before to god to save me help me, be with me.. I was so lost and slipping away INTO HELL….. thing drug is dangerous. the things I seen was something you could not imagine!!! my life was over ….. but my soul wide awake with the devil in HELL……… I want to do something to stop this. I am to young to have died and I am scared for others health and safety …. we need to get this off the streets….. this is PURE EVIL. I don’t know any drug that makes so many people experience HELL AND DEATH like this,…. before I am so scared to ever touch drugs. im even to scared to sleep or to be alone incase I go back into the trip… but remember this dose not feel like a trip this is real your body mind and soul FACES DEATH it is not nice experiencing a walk thought hell…. it felt like hours… but was only for 10 minutes… I have panic attacks and I vomited everywhere.i thought I was chocking to death…. it was the most horrible time of my life… I would rather be put in a war zone to defend for my life… then to be put back into that feeling of hell…. WORST FEELING YOU WILL EVER EXPERINCE IT WAS NO FUN OR FUNNY OR COOL AT ALL…. it was hell!!!!! if you want to meet th e devil and take a walk through hell.. go smoke it and walk with all of your demons and negative thoughts….. because that’s exactly what it will do for you, it wasn’t even a HIGH. it was a dying experince

Concerned parent
4:50 pm January 4th, 2014

As a mom I kno first hand how horrible this stuff is ! This stuff is up there with meth crack n heroin ! I have watched the things ppl will do for a fix I have seen the withdrawals from this ! Horrible doesn’t even come close to wht u watch ur loved one go thru and the physcotic episodes r unlike anything I have seen ! Ppl we need to get rid of this before we loose anymore from this ! So sad and an epidemic !

Amy
5:36 am January 25th, 2014

Hi , I am a 29 year old Hispanic female from NYC. I began smoking marijuana at 16,assiociated with heavy drinking. I had to quit smoking weed at 25 years old because I was blessed with a great government job. I started smoking herbal incense, potpourri, catnip, synthetic cannibus since June ’13. I initially was having it mailed to my home address until it became illegal to sell it online. I started purchasing it from a local corner store and tried many different blends. Certain blends make me feel mellow, hyper, funny, horny, paranoid, lost in my thoughts and sleepy. I have had no side effects at all up until a few days ago, where I had a sudden brain freeze like headache out of no where. It lasted about 30 seconds and it hurt really bad. I don’t get headaches at all, ever. Which rose my concern. I eat healthy, I exercise, I don’t stress much, but I do socially drink heavily on weekends and smoke a blunt a night of potpourri. I go on vacations every 3months for about a week or 2, and I DO NOT smoke any synthetic weed and I DO NOT withdrawal whatsoever for the time I am vacationing. If I happen to be hungover at home, I won’t smoke the fake stuff for 2-3days. I usually rely on it to put me to sleep. I know for a fact, it HAS to be bad for long term. I always suffered from memory loss here and there, but for 9years, I was an AVID pot smoker. I am slowly weening myself off, only because, that headache I felt that day, was terrible. I don’t suffer from any headaches or any pains at that, so I do eventually want to quit. Other then that, I’ve never got nausues , palpitations, felt like dying, or hallucinating ( ahh I wish, lol) The only other drug beside synthetic weed and real weed is shrooms ( you want to talk about hallucinating!!) Have no interest in trying XTC, Coke, Molly, Meth, none of that. I do plan to quit and if I go thru anymore side effects or any withdrawals, I will post again! Thanks for reading and enjoy your day!

Britt
8:24 pm February 2nd, 2014

Hi, I had a terrible experience like others here have written about “death” being near you. It was 4 years ago, some people came over to me and my boyfriend’s apartment and we all started partying. I had only had 2 beers and a shot when I went out on the balcony to smoke a bowl. I only had two hits and immediately I blacked out…… No idea what happened or how much time passed, I suddenly came to and I was lying in our bed. My drunk friend and her boyfriend were there and I was begging them not to leave me. I was terrified!!!! My friend started freaking out and left with her boyfriend to the other room, probably to go have intercourse, since they obviously didn’t have much concern for me. I suddenly was enveloped in complete darkness. This darkness was entirely .in.my. head. but it CONSUMED me. I was in a black room with no walls or windows! Then suddenly I knew that I was dying and going to hell! I was in utter mental anguish, I can’t even explain. I would rather give birth to my son every hour for the rest of my life than to feel anguish like that for eternity. It was insane. I don’t know how long it lasted, it probably was just like 15 minutes. I don’t know. It was like my past seemed a million years away and I couldn’t possibly imagine that I had a future. I tried to imagine going to the gym and doing my regular day to day activities but it just seemed impossible. I eventually started praying to God. I “saw”(imagined I found out the next day) that there was this air vent on the wall. I knew God was coming through that. I prayed and prayed to Him to release me from this anguish. He eventually did. I wasn’t right for the next week….my mind was still a little messed up.
I have always kind of wondered what drug I was on that night, because the people that I was with told me it was only weed. I thought maybe it was laced with something, but now I think it was this stuff.
I am drug free now and have a beautiful baby named Noah Benjamin. LIFE IS SO MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL WITH OUT DRUGS. Life is harder at times, but also, easier at other times. Not giving in to immediate satisfaction with drugs, food, etc.is a better way to live.

**********Follow the Light*******

Survivor
3:17 pm February 21st, 2014

Info on people’s reactions with weed and synthetics

John Wayne
3:09 am March 1st, 2014

I smoke it for 3 day and now can’t hold food down keep vomiting and have chilled how long does this shit last

Kayla
7:30 am March 4th, 2014

My first experience with it was two days ago and it was probably the worst feeling I’ve ever felt. I was with a few friends and they told this shit is gonna get me stoned out of my mind. So of course I wanted to try it. They only told me to take like two hits, but I took 4 big ones which was a huge mistake. As soon as I handed over the blunt I immediately felt intensely high, like it all had hit me so fast. Then my heart started pounding so fast I could feel it hit my chest. In my head I started thinking I’m going to do and I should call the ambulance. They could tell I was freaking out and just told me to relax cause it’s just the high. Then my heart stopped and I felt like I was surrounded by death like it said in this article. I felt like every step I could it was waiting for me. I got up and move somewhere else and I felt like it had followed me. Then the dog there was starring at me and I thought he was reading my thoughts and talking back to me in mind.. This all only lasted about 10 minutes but it was terrifying. I would reccomend to just stick with weed because it’s much safer and and much better high..

Francesca
11:05 pm March 5th, 2014

The man I loved died of a fatal seizure and heart failure, and he was only 52 yrs old. But, the thing is, he loved it! He loved wherever it was it took him. He pushed on past the nausea and sick feelings at the beginning. All I see are the negatives, and there are SO many. But, he even invited his sister to take a hit. He said it had finally taken him where he wanted. He and his brother were using 3-3 oz packs a day, over $100 a day. It turned them into zombies; when they smoked it, they left their bodies. His sister and I were so scared and worried,, and they couldn’t see it. It was death. Perhaps it was a death wish. Addiction breaks hearts, so many hearts. Regardless of his inability to recover from his many addictions, I kow he is in heaven, and I will see him someday!! Clean and sober and high on heaven.

Junkie
2:18 am March 7th, 2014

I’ve tried multiple legal high smokes, powders and pills over the years and rarely ever had any adverse reactions. However earlier today i share a small amount of legal high (exodus damnation) in a joint with my friend and had dying sensationa. this is the second time this has ever happened and will be my last time smoking legal smoke. I had severe pain running all across my body, it felt like everywhere was bleeding especially my lungs. My heart was racing and my vision kept fading, every time i swallowed it felt like i was going to swallow my tongue or just choke to death it felt like my throat was collasping in on itself. I was having severe shakes all across my body and i was pleading for my life. I have overdose intentionally before and ende up in ICU and even that wasnt as scary or painful as this expierence. To everyone reading this stick to cannabis it won’t kill you, legal highs might.

Help me
12:09 pm March 7th, 2014

My husband has been smoking for .2 weeks now is in a hospital in ICU due to non stop Seizures ..Please Help

Ashley
3:14 pm March 12th, 2014

How do you know if your bag is bad? If you smoke kush a few times and are fine, are you risking it each time you smoke, or is your bag safe?

Tony
6:41 pm March 16th, 2014

I had one hit of clockwork orange this morning at 9am GMT with a 1 hit pipe. It took effect within 30 seconds. This was my first and last time using a legal high!
First my arms tensed and the sun on my back felt hotter and then I stood up and the room was tilting left and right. All I wanted to do was lay down as I became very relaxed and vibrating. While laying down I suddenly felt like I was dieing, my heart was beating slow and felt like it was stopping. I was in a panick and pleading with God to not let me die so for the next hour and a half I was on my feet moving about and shuffling with the rooms still moving about because every time I stopped moving I almost lost consciousness.

chad
4:22 am March 18th, 2014

fake bake has put me in the hospital twice in a matter of 7 months, gave me kidney stones, made my body numb and if I wouldn have stop it would have killed me since I couldn eat or drink nothing for over 2 weeks. the only thing that kept me alive was the I.v.’s the hospital had in me

rodneyjones
10:56 pm April 2nd, 2014

that stuff can kill you so stop synthetic weed please

Tracey
11:19 am April 3rd, 2014

My husband smoked spice for about 6 months back in 2011. It ruined his brain, he went from a loving hard working family man, to a man who has nothing, lost his job, his marriage of 20 years, our home and he now sits in Jail.. Wish I had known how bad this stuff was before he started smoking it! It ruined my life & his.. Truly Heartbroken!

vasley h a
12:58 pm April 17th, 2014

I was in the Marine Corps from 2006-2010 camp pendleton 22 area. First tried with friends who told me it was like weed. Started buying it from headshops in Oceanside. Didnt quit till 3 yrs after I got out. Headshops in L.A.area sold it.
This stuff ruined my mind. Still trying to recover. In my past I have been an addict to meth, coke and this was so much worst. Psychological damage.
Made me crazy. Lost my mind. Memory gone. Dont try it guys. Please. Not worth it. Im married with 4 kids. Its not fair.
sensations in body.cant sleep. Voices in head.Evil drug.
Seen a lot of us go down. Addicted to spice. Wouldn’t admit it. Bunch of hypes with uniforms. Getting spice delivered on deployments. Out of control. Took all our $.
Introduced it to many friends and regret it now. It messed them up. Hurt my family. STAY AWAY.IT WILL COST YOU.YOUR LIFE.YOUR SANITY.

Susan Baker
4:56 pm May 5th, 2014

My Grandsons step brother just died Saturday night he was only 20. Family of this boy kept telling us they didn’t know what he has / had. I just wondering if it could of been K2 . He had seizures, periods of feeling sick. He died having collapsed lung and kidneys clogged up which Drs. say it was meds he was on. Then Drs. put him a medically induced coma a wk & 1/2 later died having heart attacks. On his Face Book page he had about 6 bottles of medical marijuana. Now that he has passed the families don’t want a autopsy done… It’s possible they know more than what they are saying…?? What you think?

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Marie
6:19 pm May 31st, 2014

I gave up smoking herbal highs 8weeks ago my cough as cleared and I feel abit better, though I’ve started back on weed and prescription meds. I feel the legal has messed me up mentally worse then before I ever tried it. I’m glad I stopped when I did because it got to the point were the buzz was no good and I felt ill or like I could die soon. I had the near death feeling when smokin it in a bong. Nasty stuff stick to weed

Nicole
9:13 am June 1st, 2014

I smoked some kush earlier. I was out on the balcony of my apartment smoking & my friend was out with me. Now this feeling was just horrid. I felt like everything that was grabbing on to me was pulling me down. Everything that touched me made me numb in the spot it was touching me in. I literally started freaking physical slapping kicking & hitting my friends that tried to help me. They had to hold me down. Everything that I was looking at was all messed up. Stuff that I looked at was in four different squares. They would collide with eachother & it scared everything I had out of me. While all of this was happening i really was scared & thought that i was dying. I kept having the thought i was mental. Everything i heard echoed. Im never smoking again. That was horrible.

Chris
7:42 pm June 17th, 2014

Read this if you want to know what synthetic cannabinoids do to you. I smoked weed from 16 to 20, I stopped smoking weed, drinking an taking other drugs recreationally when I started smoking these once called ‘legal highs’
I smoked around 500g of the stuff give or take, maybe more. Started on Exodus Damnation and eventually was smoking both Exodus and Pandoras box. The problem with them is they contain serious poisons, autoimmunesupressors (which surpress your immune system) antibiotics, and much worse drugs as most of it is made in China. But I’ll tell you why you feel bad if you are someone like me who smoked it everyday and then went cold turkey because you realised the damage you were doing. The main problem is it throws your hormones off balance and by doing so causes alot of other problems with it. The drugs in the highs act as hormones in your body by blocking the signals in your brain so that once you go cold turkey they reactive fairly quickly and can lead to all sorts of problems. Like me for example. I was 6ft2 weighing just under 13st which I was a decent size for my age and height to now weighing 9st10 or 62kg if you like. The drugs throw your hormones so of balance that it switches off your main hormone that sends signals to your others called your pituitary gland, it’s known as resistance and when this happens you get all sorts of problems that lead to autoimmune conditions like lupus. The good news is that there isn’t any unless you make a dramatic change to your like. When I say dramatic I mean, no smoking at all. Eat raw organic foods but chew them alot and avoid milk. Seriously Avoid milk or you will regret it as you might become or have become allergic to it. Only because your hormones are not working so your body does not create digestive enzymes properly. Also the problem with these legal high smokes is because they surpress your immune system and have epsom salts with toxins in them. When you come off them your immune system starts attacking your own cells hence being called an autoimmune disease. It really isn’t good stuff to smoke. If you are smoking it everyday and in large amounts like I was and want to stop. You have to stop straight away and go to a plain food diet, get tested for heavy metal toxicity and sort that out and DO NOT SMOKE CIGARETTES by doing this you are making your immune system more confused as it is trying to recover and those night sweats you have well that is the toxins being sweat out of your skin so if you smoke cigarettes you will greatly increase your chance of an autoimmune disease.
I am not in a good way. But learn from my mistakes and either keep smoking weed and stay away from synthetic. Or keep smoking synthetic and ruin your life. I have been off the stuff for 9weeks and when I eat, I itch when I drink my favourite drinks I itch. My lymph nodes are swollen and my thyroid gland is swollen thanks to hormonal inbalance which I now have a lump in my neck as well. I am dying and slowly and painfully. I was off work for 5 weeks, I am back at work now and everyone looks at me like omg Chris you have lost so much weight. I am screwed yet been diagnosed with nothing. My daily routine was wake up, smoke exodus damnation in my bed before I got out of it, then get ready for work but not have breakfast, then I would make a spliff of pandora’s box to walk to the bus stop with. I used to roll another pandora’s box spliff on the bus so when I got off it I could smoke again while I waited for my 2nd bus. Sometimes I would miss the bus because of smoking and end up getting a taxi to work even when I was half way and then roll another one in the taxi and smoke it before I started work. All this caught up on me. I felt really I’ll towards when I was about to stop, but that’s just it when you stop you are on a continuous struggle, your best bet is to work on hormones, eat a healthy strict diet, get tested for heavy metal toxicity and relieve stress. Sleep will be a problem because of the sleep hormone, you might cry even if you don’t cry much ever because of your stress hormone and of you immune system attacks your own cells. The only thing I can suggest is to eat Greek plain yoghurt and take probiotics, digestive enzymes, multivitamins but not a cheap one. Meditate or do yoga. I used to have a life but now I haven’t got one and it feels like I am fighting to keep mine! Good luck. Smoke this and you will be screwed, eventually. To take a test on how bad it is, smoke it indoors with say an animal like a cat and even the second hand fumes make the cat all wobbly and like it’s going to pass out. Imagine what it’s doing to you.
Good luck recovering, I know no one who has only those who smoked it occasionally but as soon as it’s everyday or fully addicted, I seen people commit suicide, get lung cancer, stomach cancer. Yeast infections. It really is terrible. STAY AWAY

T.K
3:34 pm June 26th, 2014

when my husband tried klimax he was lying in our bed and started screaming and then it was almost like he was seizing. He later told me that while that was happening his body was going threw Hell. said he could see himself being ripped apart in Hell and could feel everything. Never touched it again.

Jaseeka1986
7:32 pm July 2nd, 2014

Chris – You are a strong person. You described exactly what happened to me.. If you can find/read my posts from 2 years back, I was absolutely going insane. I feel blessed everyday that I got my sanity back. I almost didn’t survive it. Don’t know how I did to be honest, given my family situation, being poor, no support. This forum was the ONLY SUPPORT I had. And it saved my life. Good for you for locating it too! It is very therapeutic, this forum is.. I smoked last on March 3, 2011 or 12.. Can’t remember exactly but I’m guessing 2012. It was like it was building up in my system(I smoked every day all day for 2 YEARS, by the time I realized what was happening to me – going crazy – it was too late.. I was already crazy & couldn’t deal with it properly. :( But I am alive now! So the last time I smoked, I OD’d, and the ER staff just laughed at me & let me lie on the dirty ER floor, and I’m a neat freak! They didn’t even test the stuff to see what was in it(to better treat me!), they simply did not give two shits. Afterwards I was TERRIFIED of the stuff & wouldn’t even look at it. Even so, I was CRAZY for 3 months afterwards, from the damage I/it had caused already. I almost killed myself because to me, life was not worth living that way & I had nothing to live for. BUT that is past now! For BOTH of us!
Now I am having a hard time tapering off methadone(I was in a clinic, whole reason I started smoking it because it didn’t show up in a drug test.. Because they don’t test for poisons, LOL, I guess.. Not a joking matter though..). I’m at 6mgs & will try 3mgs tomorrow.. But cannot get my prescription refilled because of House bill 1(law made where you have to pass urine screen to obtain controlled substances.. and I smoke pot) so I am freaking out/trying to deal with that now.. I have a fiance now who knows all this happened to me before(except for the suicidal thoughts part) & still loves me unconditionally. I’ve never had such unconditional love before, and it’s worth living for. Apologies if I sound a bit off.. I’m stressing as usual about other things, lol. I’ll be fine. God bless you & your post really spoke to me. If you find my posts, you will likely be surprised by how similar ours are! YOU CAN DO THIS. *HUGS* I remember thinking the non-sleeping, terrible feelings would stay forever & no one could talk me out of that, but if you think logically about it(which is hard during the time, because you can’t think as straight), it has to eventually get out of your system.. (Especially if you are replacing it with healthy foods as you are. I went through the same thing.. Became a vegetarian, too. I eat meat now, but only farm raised/clean meats…) That’s what kept me going.. Respond to my post if you need any info, I will give all I know. Or can just be an open ear for you. <3 God Bless you, friend!! So much love to you <3 -Jess

Insensitive
12:10 am July 8th, 2014

I have (until now) a good experience with herbal incense, and even better with recent e-liquids called “incense oils” that contain one particular chemical with a Japanese girls band name and generally seen as having the most cannabis-like effect. Incense oils are insanely strong, but I put just a few drops into normal e-liquid ! In fact I have always done the same thing with herbal incense, just small quantities mixed with 90% of natural legal herbs, such as damiana (which is already used in many incense brands and has a herbal spicy taste), melissa (which tastes like lemon, it’s wonderful), or why not passiflora or peppermint… Also, some incense brands have nice fruity flavors, that you can taste even with 10% incense and 90% damiana, at least if you vape them instead of smoking them. I use a well known small portable herb vaporizer called Magic Flight Launch Box, that heats the herbs without burning them. It’s far better than smoking, both for health and for the taste of incenses or natural herbs! No real sensation of smoking, but for this I have the very effective e-cigarette (with or without drops of incense oil!)

I totally stopped smoking from one day to another, 2,5 years ago, after an emergency heart surgery (bypasses). No problem to stop tobacco, as I find e-cigarettes much, much better. But I missed cannabis. Then I discovered the vaporizers on the web, but I can easily get only poor quality resin (except on occasions), so I wondered what would be vaporized from it, and then I discovered the incense on the web and thought that maybe a good synthetic is better than a bad natural… And I didn’t feel like growing plants… Also the legality, and the possibility to receive it by mail are very appealing (no head shop in my country), especially for a 40 year old public engineer.

But the key with these products is moderation. I did research about them on the web for more than one month, and understood that chemical cannabinoids which are total brain CB receptors agonists are much stronger than natural phytocannabinoids which are partial CB agonists. And the first time, the best is to try the smallest quantity you can take. Epsilon + epsilon + epsilon… And we’ll see. And it should be done with each new pack, even of a known brand, because poor quality control can lead to different strengths for two bags of the same brand. And to avoid hot spots, you can grind and mix the content of a bag to get an homogenous blend (i don’t do that each time). And for e-liquids, shaking of course.

With all these reasonable safe guards, I never experienced bad trips although I tried many brands, some of which are considered killer poisons on the web (pandora’s box, sensate, sirius, exodus, clockwork orange…), but often by people who used them like grass without first researching what it was really. At worst, I felt 2 or 3 times, in the begging, some symptoms described as part of a panic attack (feeling to be an observer of oneself was the most strange), but maybe less strong, it didn’t make me panic, just a bit nervous, and 5 minutes walking in my office or riding my home bicycle were sufficient to get out of this strange feeling.

Now, after 6 months daily use, I managed to prevent my tolerance from getting too high, watching it with evolution curves on Excel, so that I only consume 1 g incense in 9 days. And I feel good, sleep better, and don’t feel some negative effects of real cannabis like the sleepy comedowns or little headaches (these ones were maybe due to smoking instead of vaping, remember that smoking modifies the transport of oxygen to the brain). Anyway, as you see, I sometimes do new research on the web about the bad effects that can occur. And I rely on blood analysis to check there is no problem.

To conclude, I find some advantages with these products in regard to real stuff. But they are too strong as sold, and should always be mixed with inoffensive herbs or e-liquids. If they were sold with smaller concentrations, we probably wouldn’t have so many scary stories like those told here. Good luck and good health to you all.

Selma
1:22 am July 11th, 2014

Does it cause people to go into extreme rage , to the point where your afraid they might hurt you? Does it permanently damage your brain? Why do people who smoke it think they are okay and refuse help or rehab?

Tracey
4:06 pm July 11th, 2014

Selma, Yes it most certainly can cause extreme rage & permanent damage to the brain! I personally experienced this with my husband of 20 years! It ruined him, our family, he lost his job, his license, his right to bear arms & our marriage!! He will never be the same man again and I am forever heart broken! :’(

keyshs
3:27 am July 27th, 2014

I smoked that synthetic weed and to make a long story short … I felt horrible Like I was gonna die I only did it once I will NEVER do this again … will I be okay in the long run

WORRIED MOM
2:07 pm August 20th, 2014

I HAVE A 17YR OLD SON WHO HAS BEEN SMOKING KUSH FOR ABOUT A YEAR. I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO HOW TO GET HIM TO QUIT HE IS NOW STEALING FROM ME AND FAMILY MEMBERS TO SELL AND BUY THIS HORRIBLE SYNTHETIC STUFF. I WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING TO DO AND HAVE THIS BANNED. ANY SUGGESTIONS??

Kelly Rodge
9:49 am August 24th, 2014

I bought this stuff recently as I will be getting drug tested at work soon, I’ve been a pot smoker for 10 years and was pleased when I found this stuff.
Its NOT the same feeling as being high at all, it’s almost like a short blast of being on acid.
Last night I only took one puff of my legal doobie, I started to feel unwell almost straight away, my heart was racing and thudding so hard in my chest it was terrifying.
My husband was asleep next to me but I couldn’t move to tell him how scared I was. I thought I was dying and that my heart was going to stop. It was the most intense feeling of my life and when my heart finally slowed down, I was still terrified. I started crying and couldnt even explain what had happened to myself or my husband. It was like death was seeping though my pores.

Please think twice before you try this stuff, its actually horrendous

Never again
3:31 pm September 5th, 2014

I smoked this stuff 3 years ago, they call it “Mojo”. I hit it 3 times and started flipping out. It’s like I was in a coma or something. I has a whole vision of how I was going to die.. I was sitting in the car with my friend who was heavily smoking it.. I kept thinking someone was going to shoot me, cause I kept seeing myself on the ground unconscious and I kept hearing my mothers crying voice saying “baby wake up” .. It’s like I was dead, but I was still alive in my head.. Kind of like death. I guess that’s how it feels to die.. It’s like I got a glimpse of my future death.. Now everytime I go outside back to the area I was smoking, I think someone is going to shoot me.. Yeah that was my last time smoking it , it’s the devil

janet
9:50 pm September 7th, 2014

I have a question my husband stop smoking that fake weed about a year and a half ago. Is it normal for him to get migraines and really bad anxiety attacks

janet
9:52 pm September 7th, 2014

My husband stop smoking 2years ago and now he is getting anxiety attacks and bad head aches is that normal?

3 Years Dead
4:58 pm September 10th, 2014

About three and a half years ago I was told of this synthetic marijuana and I have prayed every day for the last three years that I did not try it.

Talking with my brother over the phone he tells me of a synthetic weed product he has herd cool things about, and it can be purchased cheap from the adult/sex shops in town, within 2 days I was up at that shop buying my first bag. First time smoking I only did a very small amount (I have always been careful like that) Within 30 seconds I was….. I guess stoned, it felt similar to weed but off somehow and I was slightly anxious. I began to love this stuff, I loved the blueberry aroma, I Loved how stoned it made me, I loved how it made my sex life more amplified and intense. Every day after work or school I would smoke and play the xbox360, games were amazing and everything was more enjoyable. Wasn’t long before it started taking a toll, I need it and would do anything to get it, The highs didn’t last very long so I had to re-dose every 20 mins with big cones. I could not believe how addictive this stuff was, I become isolated, I did not go out, barely made it to work or school. Nothing was enjoyable unless I smoked this cr*p, music sucked, food was bad, couldn’t play video games anymore without smoking garbage. There was early warning signs this I wish I paid attention to – Losing feeling in my hands an arms, problems with movement and feelings, problems with balance, increased anger and an unusual anxiety. Yet all this and I still wanted to smoke, didn’t put 2 and 2 together, any way it was all gonna come to a screeching halt!!

One night after smoking this cr*p I layed on my couch, my mind wasn’t right, my thoughts were paranoid and Brocken but very intense. I begun to feel very sick (and I mean very sick) so I got up to get a drink of water. To sick to get a glass I began to drink from the tap, My face then started melting of my head and was morphing into the sink, I couldn’t move. I could see my reflection in the window, Just bent over the sink not being able to move and could feel my face melting off (it may seem like a cool trippy thing… It Was Not) BANG! I was dying, My vision was going away and was tunnel like, My ears started ringing and at the same time was losing hearing, similar to being under water. I tried walking to my girlfriends room, but that walk down the hallway was one of the longest walks. I could fell my body turning off, I could barely stand, the ground was coming towards my face, I was leaving this planet. I finally got to my girlfriend an all I could say was “ambulance” I now noticed my heart, OMG it was beating so hard an fast, I remember thinking “hearts can’t do this, this organ is done for” I kept fading out (things would go black for a second) felt very dizzy and faint but the worst thing was the feeling of my sole leaving my body. I could hear sirens although my girlfriend did not ring the ambulance life flashed before my eyes and I new it would all go black and stay black soon.

Six months I was smoking that cr*p until I had that horrible panic attack/trip/death experience. 3 years later and I am still dizzy, I still have problems with balance and I have barely left my house. After giving up smoking I thought that would be the end off it, I thought I would be fine but one day out at a coffee shop that bad trip happened again, thing was I hadn’t smoked in weeks. it happened again and again. The last three years have been hell I always feel way to stoned (I don’t do any drugs) I have panic attacks all the time except they are hallucinogenic, My entire thought process has changed and is stuck on death, fear and anxiety. I used to be happy and always an outdoors person and now I can’t leave my house because I get these bad experiences, and you guys know how bad they are when your tripping out and think your dying, well its worse when your sober.

Over the last three years I have become complete phobic. I have phobias of every thing now. showers, shops, Panadol, so on. my mind has slowly over the past 3 years imploded, I’m stuck in a viscous circle of panic and fear, I’m obsessed with death, I’m just not in reality anymore.

Some think that this may be a panic disorder/anxiety disorder which was triggered by the fake weed. All I know is it wasn’t there before the synthetic weed and no doctor or medication helps. Also problems I have just don’t have a name for.. and don’t exactly fit in with panic disorder or anything (I cant get around to telling all my symptoms, this comment had gone on way longer then I expected and I’m very tiered – one thing I actually sleep very well, guess Ill be grateful for that) So I have been dead for three years… hay im off all drugs now to scared to take anything… don’t want my mind altered. My brother is stilled hooked on this cr*p, he has lost everything, he has stolen from everyone who cares about him so he can purchase more fake weed, he has spent every scent. he is not my brother anymore he cares about nothing, he is a stranger, a complete different person with no sole, no life, no ambition but I guess even I am a very different person. Gong from a funny out doors, loving life person to a shell that is to afraid to leave the house. PLEASE DON”T SMOKE THIS CR*P it is more addictive then heroin and will do unbelievable damage to you physically and mentally

Jake
11:35 am September 25th, 2014

This shit is the worst ever made. I had the worst trip and I want no body to go through what it causes. My mate brang it over and we went for a fish and I tried in down where we were fishing. It started great I was laughing running around having a good time. Then it just turned to shit! I felt Sick as hell walked back up to my car and spew my guts up everywhere continually for about 15 – 20 minutes I felt weak, I couldn’t walk properly, I could hardly talk but I heard my mates talking to me. I felt like I was dying and was so paranoid of getting caught by My parents. Eventually I had enough strenght to get in my car with my mates and go home. I went straight to bed, the next morning I could still feel it. Gut pains and feeling like I wanted to throw up again. It’s taken 3 days to fully get over it. Never again will I buy or do that shit and I recommend to anyone to never ever try it.

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Charles Somerville is the writer of The Alcoholism Guide, a website that looks at alcoholism in all its forms and the effects of alcohol abuse on mental and physical health.