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Kratom addiction: signs and symptoms of Kratom abuse

Kratom addiction: signs and symptoms of Kratom abuse

Kratom use vs. Kratom abuse

Kratom addiction is a very real possibility for those who abuse it. I say “abuse“,  but in the West, where Kratom has no established medical usage, any use of Mitragynia Speciosa, at least in the eyes of the great majority of the medical profession, is abuse. In South-East Asia, however, where Kratom has a long history as a treatment for diarrhea, opiate addiction and pain, abuse is seen as the excessive use of Kratom in order to benefit from its stimulant/euphoric effects. More on Kratom effects here, including why effects are dose dependent.  We also review the long term effects of the herbal drug and invite your questions about withdrawal from Kratom at the end.

Is Kratom addictive?

Yes, Kratom is addictive. But looking at forums and groups about Kratom on the Web you could be forgiven for thinking that Kratom is the holy grail of drugs; it gets you high, it’s legal AND withdrawal symptoms from abuse are so mild that they are hardly worth mentioning.   But becoming addicted to Mitragynia Speciosa isn’t difficult, particularly if you have an addictive personality.

My experience has been that daily use over a period of a month or so will cause psychological dependence. After over six months of Kratom use, you will find that physical dependence also kicks in. This varies, of course, to what form of Kratom you are using and the method of administration. Strains of UEI (Ultra Enhanced Indonesian), for example, will get you addicted far faster and harder than, let’s say, dried leaf.  Additionally, although some people try to snort Kratom, the administration is not as effective as when you swallow a capsule or drink Kratom as a tea.  But to know whether you have developed physical dependence to Kratom, try to lower doses or cut out Kratom from your life.   Withdrawal symptoms generally appear when you attempt to lower doses or cut out Kratom completely.

Kratom withdrawal symptoms

Compared to ’real’ opiates, the withdrawals from Kratom may be relatively mild but they most definitely exist and can include:

  • apathy
  • depression
  • diarrhea
  • insomnia
  • restless leg syndrome
  • symptoms similar to the common cold

How do you know if you are addicted to Kratom?

Deep down all addicts know that they are addicted, yet they deny it because they want to carry on doing what they are doing. If you need to know whether you are dependent on Kratom or not, then the following signs and symptoms are typical of Mitragynia Speciosa addiction:

7 signs of Kratom addiction

1.  Increased tolerance – Tolerance to Kratom builds up very quickly and the dose needed to get the same effect will quickly increase.

2.  Long-term constipation – As with opiates, constipation is a side-effect of Kratom use. Constipation over many days is a sign of  physical drug dependence.

3.  Secrecy – Shame is a big part of addiction, therefore those addicted to any substance will attempt to hide evidence of their problem (even though they may not consciously acknowledge it as a problem).

4.  Cravings and obsessive thoughts – The mind of the addict will be constantly thinking about Kratom. When you can next take it, buy it, the feeling you will get, etc.

5.  Daily use – The addict will use Kratom every day and probably many or multiple times in one day.

6.  Withdrawal symptoms – Any break in habitual use of Kratom will see the addict going through withdrawals (see above for the symptoms of Kratom withdrawal).

7.  Ensuring supply – To avoid withdrawal symptoms that result in lower doses or in stopping Kratom use, a Kratom addict will always try and make sure to have access to Kratom and that they don’t run out. This may mean they buy Kratom in bulk, hide Kratom at work, in the house and so on.

How can you use Kratom without forming a habit?

So how do you avoid getting addicted to Kratom? Easy, don’t start using it. Kratom regardless of its legality and ’herbal nature’ is a drug, it’ s addictive and, although cheap compared to illicit drugs, it will sap your finances if you do become dependent. On top of this it is a gateway drug, I found that when I couldn’t get Kratom I tried to get my hands on anything that would help ease the withdrawals invariably that was opiates and they are a different ball game all together.

If you have to take Kratom then play safe. Take it as an occasional treat, use it no more than once a week and never on consecutive nights. This is easy to say but far harder to practice. Kratom makes you feel good and who doesn’t want to feel good all the time?

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104 Responses to “Kratom addiction: signs and symptoms of Kratom abuse
8:23 am July 26th, 2011

Kratom is a very powerful drug but if it is taken in excess then it may be harmful for you. Otherwise it has a medicinal value.

If any one is taking it first time then Kratom may cause sleepiness.

Jeremy Gilbert
4:56 am August 2nd, 2011

Kratom Pills make it easier than concocting weird and wonderful tea’s and juices to help get the Kratom down (and stay down). This might contribute to the addictive tendency of the pyschoactive substance, though. Has anyone tried the pills?

3:48 pm September 27th, 2011

Don’t take Kratom! Had Kratom for over a year, at 1/2 tablespoon-4 times a day. Thought that this was an acceptable amount. It is not.

Four rough days/nights without Kratom, and it’s now getting better.

When coming off Kratom:
restless body (arms and legs)
mood swings
hard to get much sleep
very very tired when coming off Kratom – be prepared with food, drinks, and time off from work, or long weekend.
hot baths/showers help in short term.

Don’t get started!!!! If you’re taking Kratom, strongly suggest getting completely off ASAP.

11:00 am October 15th, 2011

I wouldn’t say “Don’t take Kratom” like BC says, just don’t be stupid about it. If you do it every day, then yes of course you will get addicted to it. Do it once every 2 weeks, or better yet once a month. I’ve been doing 25 grams (in tea form) once a month for the past few years and find no problem, other than mild constipation the next day.

It’s great to relieve pain, and it is just plain fun.

11:14 pm November 7th, 2011

If you have ANY tendencies toward addiction of any form, kratom is a danger zone for you. Recovering addicts know all about the ‘management’ aspects of the addiction stage and that only works for so long. My spouse is a recovering addict (alcohol) and he started with kava which all indications state it does not become addictive. One day at the kava bar he was offered a booster in his kava drink – that booster was kratom. The next thing that happens is he can’t stay away from the stuff and doesn’t know why. He thinks he is doing something that is safe but he starts to have all the shame and guilt associated with addiction. He doesn’t tell me about (sneaks stopping there on his way home) and it comes out 9 months later when I have struggled for months wondering why he is acting like an active addict while taking a supposed safe herb, kava.

11:15 pm November 7th, 2011

I would like to know how the owner of this blog got off the kratom.

7:05 am November 9th, 2011

No herb, or substance for that matter, is 100% safe. Nothing like that exists in this world. Even drinking too much water can be deadly.

It is important to research and be aware of what you are putting into your body, instead of just assuming it is safe.

Some people know how to be proactive like this, and others don’t. Those who don’t should learn.

12:08 pm November 9th, 2011

We researched kava before going to the local kava bar. In fact, we researched the particular kava bar and nowhere did we see the word kratom. None of the signage at the kava bar has the world kratom either. They do however serve yerba mate and that is up on the menu. All others are described as kava and kava blends with no description of added herbs. In fact, it is loosely implied that it is a higher dose of kava until you want to purchase a take home supply. I would say this is shady advertising at the least. All places serving these substances should be required to display ALL ingredients. The local kva bar site also is misleading in that it has a list of all other combinations of prescription drugs/alcohol that should not be mixed with kava while never explaining or even stating they use kratom in their drinks.

10:07 am November 10th, 2011

Hello DJT,

This is very strange behavior on the part of the Kava bar your spouse was going to. Totally irresponsible.
You need to find out exactly which Kratom preparation they were adding to the drink. This makes a difference to what you can expect when he tries to come off it. Dried Kratom leaf and leaf powder are the least potent and the ‘easiest’ to quit. The enhanced extracts such as UEI (Ultra Enhanced Indo) are much stronger and thus you can expect a harder time.

I came off Kratom at home. When I quit (Kratom leaf) I experienced the most intense feeling of sadness, I cried and cried. I was apathetic and tired, yet couldn’t sleep due to the RLS (Restless leg Syndrome). Of course, I also craved Kratom like crazy. These symptoms lasted for about 4 days and then, physically, at least, I was O.K.But the cravings took about 6 months to subside, it was reallly hard to resist them.
Another problem for me was that I had nobody to talk to who could empathize with me. There are no support groups for those who are Kratom addicts, most people have never heard of it and NA people look at you if you are from planet Zog if you tell them you were addicted to a herb called Kratom.

Online is the only place you can find fellow aufferers. There are plenty of groups/forums which discuss this very thing. Your spouse will need support from you and, while he is withdrawing, needs to take time off work and be shielded from all stress for at least the first few days. Although it’s not heroin, it’s still pretty uncomfortable.

Some I know, who’ve quit successfully, have taken a supplement called 5-htp that seems to alleviate some of the depression by increasing seretonin production. This is NOT a recommendation from me, merely an observation others have made.

If it’s not a big issue for him, then your spouse could go to a doctor prior to withdrawing and get some kind of sedative to make withdrawals a bit easier, but this depends on your doctor and whether your spouse is happy to own up to his addiction.

Anyway, whatever you do, I wish you the best.

1:10 am February 19th, 2012

You know, I look at it sort of like alcohol in that it is a pleasant feeling with a sort of hangover (a little bit of tiredness, so much more mild — hangover isn’t the right word). You wouldn’t drink alcohol every day, but you probably wouldn’t tell most people that they couldn’t handle it with a little bit of self control. With anything, you have to have priorities, you have to have goals. There is nothing wrong with kicking back to reward yourself for hard work by consuming substances with the potential for addition. What you choose to consume depends on your ability for self control. Simply be honest with yourself and find out what it is that truly makes you content, and then go for that. Using kratom, or alcohol for that matter, for the purpose of feeling good for its own sake is merely a sideshow in the film that is your life. People are smart enough to come to these decisions, but sometimes they may need a little help, especially younger people. In any case, it is not right to dictate what others can do (unless of course they’re your kids and living under your roof ;) then you can tell them whatever you want).

1:11 am February 19th, 2012

btw when I said “go for that which truly makes you content” I was referring to goals, not drugs!! just wanted to be clear on that ;)

12:25 pm February 21st, 2012

Are you people joking,is there a caffeine withdrawal blog too.Kratom is a blessing, respect the tree!

1:30 am February 23rd, 2012

What is so bad about kratom? All I hear is how addicting it is, and how it’s so horrible to be addicted. I understand it is viewed to many as a treatable mental condition, and I completely agree. BUT, why on earth would you shine people away from a MUCH HEALTHIER addiction than most considerably addictive substances (many legal) that are PROVEN to have extreme adverse effects (cigarette addiction and cancer to name one). My point is there are far worse things out there, and many need a constant in there life. I just don’t see why such a beneficial herb has to be demonized instead of just understanding that the best things in life always come with withdrawal. NO ONE likes quitting something enjoyable, and of course the brain adapts to block out the good over time, but one could argue that marriage and love works the same way.

Just my thoughts, I have been a daily kratom user for 6 years, (1.5-2.5g every morning), and it still works just as well a cup of coffee. Don’t avoid the unknown, people.

2:57 pm February 23rd, 2012

Howe, There are plenty of sites that advocate the positive effects and experiences that some have with kratom.

My husband only initially had positive results and then it turned very ugly. Kratom is not for everyone and is not necessarily a BETTER addiction either….my husband had some terrible side effects WHILE taking it but did not know it was from the ‘safe, wonder’ herb kratom. He was going to doctors for those symptoms. Once he made it through the withdrawal and his system began to heal those effects disappeared along with it.

If it works for you then take it but it is appropriate for those of us that have seen a very dark side of this herb to speak and share about it. IMO, it is important to know all sides of something before deciding to take it. This site helps us to understand what was going on for my husband and helped us tremendously.

10:24 pm February 26th, 2012

As someone who has been on sub for five long years, I was able to get off of it using Kratom powder.

Yes, Kratom can be addicting. However those who are trying to get off long term opiates or maintenance(uchumm, suboxone) Kratom is a lifesaver. What bothers me is that you mention that you can snort kratom. That just is not true, nor would anyone do it who would use Kratom specifically for shaman purposes.

Did you know that suboxone hits the delta receptor and kappa?Kratom hits the delta, and unlike other types of so called medicines, naroctics, plants,etc.. Kratom seems to be the ONLY one to get rid of opiate withdrawals while flushing the DOC out of the system. It’s because there is a lack of studies on the other opiod receptors aside from the mu(stem celll research, lack of is a major reason for this IMO)

Only thing IMO you accurately wrote about Kratom and addiction is that if you continue to take it past a month or two, it could be problematic. Nowhere near, however as if one were withdrawing from suboxone, heroin, or any other drug. There are many more addicts who would suffer terribly and need to continue to use their DOC if it weren’t for Kratom.

10:46 am March 3rd, 2012

“There are many more addicts who would suffer terribly and need to continue to use their DOC if it weren’t for Kratom.”

DG I agree completely. The fact that it has never killed anyone and keeps people from the harder stuff has me to believe big picture, it is a wonder herb, but unfortunately some people particularly with extremely addictive personalities simply can NOT handle the euphoria and intensity, along with the physical dependence. And djt sorry, I can only imagine those horrible months of frustration.

8:50 pm March 3rd, 2012

Being well informed and knowing your own self is most important. Knowing the tendencies of your personality and physiology….how your system reacts to things is paramount. My objection is to the absolute refusal on the part of some to acknowledge the addiction that can occur with the herb. These examples are based on personal experience. It is real. No one is telling others to NOT take it but to know that it CAN have an addictive effect. While it may be a wonder herb to some, it is a nightmare herb to others…AND there is room for both sides.

The worst thing in all of this for myself and my husband was that we researched kava extensively. When we went to out local kava bar they said nothing about the other herbs that were being added to some of the drinks. This is a travesty and unethical. This particular bar was even called out by a local news station due to this fact that some people finally figured out what was happening to them – all were addicts that had turned to natural forms of relaxation. Even in the interview the owner insisted he did nothing wrong and refused to acknowledge it could be addictive…..refused to acknowledge kratom on the main menu. They do have on all their menus that KAVA can cause allergic reaction and should not be mixed with certain medications.

7:18 pm March 18th, 2012

hello everyone i been taking kratom for over 4 month , i experience crazy wd symptoms for 2 days , then i cant resist i have to take it in very small dose to heal those RLS and very cravings . i am on my way to clean out myself . i hope that i can do it , because kratom will make you stagnate , and yet who ever been taking newly (newbie) to this opioid , i strongly recommend you to off immediately before you find it is very hard to face the wd(withdrawal) symptoms … good luck .. and congratulation for those who successfully OFF CLEAN FREE from kra kra kra krat0m :-)

1:02 pm March 19th, 2012

Hi Nicole. Are you going to seek medical help to get off Kratom? Do you have a plan or are you just going cold turkey?

7:08 am March 21st, 2012

yes i am going to seek a medical help … how long have u been using kratom ? did it went out successfully ? i mean u don’t take it anymore .

7:09 am March 21st, 2012

no i don’t better ideas or plan i hope u can help me . i been using it for 4 month as a daily user .

2:40 pm March 21st, 2012

Hi Nicole. No, I have not personally gone through Kratom withdrawal. But Charles, who wrote this article, has. He has written about it in another post. You can find more information here:

Does this help?

8:55 pm April 20th, 2012

its the worst drug earth.

8:55 pm April 20th, 2012

it has ruined my life.

12:23 pm April 24th, 2012


You can pick the pieces of your life back up. My husband did and is doing quite well. Seek whatever help you need…..look for it. Research getting off from it and how you want to do it. All of the adverse effects have left my husband. He did go on short term meds for anxiety and depression, which helped him to get back to exercising because he was immobilized on the couch when not working. Once he was able to exercise this helped a lot. It’s different for everyone. My point to you, is to not lose hope… can find your way out of this.

Support from family and friends helps greatly.

8:28 pm May 19th, 2012

Kratom is active in the 1-3 gram range. You cant snort that much ground leaf. Not to mention insufflating kratom is a wasteful and uneffective way to use it anyway. I dont deny that ppl get addicted to kratom and the w/d’s can be trying (nothing compared to opiate or herion w/d’s though) but Kratom, when used responsibly, is a wonderful plant that has helped many ppl get off of and stay off of hard and dangerous drugs.

12:17 am May 31st, 2012

Kratom, unlike all other psychoactives I have ever used (or abused-minus cannabis) is unique because withdrawals can be avoided. Now, I have some bias in this considering I am dependent on it right now, but nonetheless I HAVE gone through the withdrawals many times and have much experience in masking the symptoms and easing the landing back to sobriety. My advice in this to anyone struggling is to 1) cut your dose to once a day before even trying to quit. 2) cut your dose to a bare minimum (may take weeks). 3) Before quitting, add stem and vein kratom to the mix until taking nearly 100% s&v. 4) taper the stem and vein. 5) on day 1 w/d, take phenibut for the anxiety/depression and chills, just take once it can be addictive but as a taper tool-priceless 6) On day two, the worst for me, take mucuna pruriens bean with a 5-htp (or te seeds they come from), and green tea to make it active. 7) Also take loperamide if you get diarrhea (I don’t). I vaporize natural cannabis a lot during this time as it eases the nerves for me. 8) BLACK SEED OIL AND CATS CLAW ARE A MUST. You feel icky with no mu receptor agonist, this eases you back down. Good luck to all. I have done ct withdrawal AND this way, and if I had only done it this way I would doubt withdrawals even exist. Also, if you plan on continuing to take it for pain, mood, etc.. These things you do to ease the aches of withdrawal are also great minimul additives to kratom to keep the pain away (talking to any chronic pain patients out there- I know many kratom users/”abusers” are). Thanks for your time.

4:01 pm June 1st, 2012

Howes words are true. If you want to stop kratom, everything Howe said is the way to go. Stem & Vein is a wonderful tool for tapering. And as Howe said, phenibut will help immensely with any anxiety or sleep issues. I would like to reiterate that one should be careful with phenibut though, because it can cause dependency issues of its own if overdone. However, phenibut is an invaluable tool for many things if used responsibly. I am a recovering herion addict, and kratom has helped me vastly. Although since i still use kratom im not technically “clean”, kratom has allowed me to take my life back from junk and be productive again. I would suggest kratom to anyone who wants to get clean from opiates. Its leaps and bounds better than methadone or suboxone. Ive been on methadone maintenance and suboxone maintenance and neither is as safe as kratom IMHO. With methadone, one trades an addiction to opiates for an addiction to methadone, which IME is far worse than the initial addiction. One can get “high” off of kratom i suppose, but if its a mindblowing high that one is after, they will be very disappointed with kratom.

2:44 pm June 4th, 2012

How can anyone say withdrawal is devastating or so hard? I use strong varieties up to 3 times a day and have for a couple years. I stop several times. Do I feel a little crappy when I stop? Yes. Is it really bad? NO! It is completely bearable. To go to a doctor for kratom ‘addiction’ is absolutely ridiculous and blows my mind. Would you go to a doctor for caffeine addiction? I’m sure you wouldn’t!!! People going to the doctors about this and bitching/moaning about how bad it is will get it banned. This wonderful leaf has helped MANY people out, including me, with a variety of issues. Who in their right mind would rather take a prescription painkiller, anti-depressant, anti-anxiety pill against kratom? It is completely against common sense. All of the ‘pills’ do have extremely bad withdrawal symptoms and some can be deadly, as in anti-anxiety benzos. A few days of slight restlessness on cession of kratom and it is over. If you feel the need to keep taking it and taking it, you need to see a psych more than anything about your issues.

3:10 pm June 18th, 2012

Those “few days of unpleasantness” are daunting. I’m just starting day 2 right now (26 hrs since last dose, and it was a small one, too). I’ve never used any heavy drugs- just Kratom, and only pure leaf (no extracts) plus I’m hypersensitive to things in general.

I didn’t sleep last night, I have a running nose, watery eyes, total body discomfort, twitching, lethargy. Total physical/mental exhaustion, yet I can’t sleep. It’s awful.

This herb should be regulated, and should come with warnings. The very idea that people are making extracts, well, it’s ridiculous.

5:41 am July 3rd, 2012

im new to this post and have been readin about kraton.Now to me , a 15 year prescribed morphine addict who wants so badly to stop but have tried many times and have failed because of my severe withdrawels,, this sounds like it could help me trmendously. its crazy but ive never heard of it before so could someone, anyone tell me since its legal, where i need to go to get it?

2:09 pm July 5th, 2012

Do some research and find a respected online vendor. Kratom bought in headshops is usually too expensive and garbage kratom anyway. Also these establishments give the legitimate kratom industry a black eye. Good luck in your journey brother, and keep your head up, opiate addiction can be beat.

4:47 pm July 8th, 2012

I see reasoning and truth in every post here. It is something of a wonder but it can also become a problem. As for me it is the only substance that has helped me on so many issues. Anxiety, depression, and a craving for alcohol just to name a few. If anything is going to be in my body I would hope it would be natural.

The way I found kratom was by accident on my part. After I had sworn alcohol away forever I looked for an alternative. I remembered hearing about kava bars and decided to go visit the nearest one to me. My first “shell” was absolutely amazing. I started going twice a week and before you knew it it was everyday. Finally, I said to myself, something that completely kills my urge to drink plus it treats anxiety and depression to the point where the symthoms completely disappeared. One day I didn’t go and I got a terrible headache and felt overall lathargic. The next day I decided to go and after one drink my symptoms disappeared and I felt great again. That’s when I started thinking something wasn’t right. So I went online and could not find anything really negative about kava. So I believe it was the flowing week that I stopped going and on the second day the withdrawal symptoms set in full force. I remember it was more annoying than anything. So I went back online and it was by accident that I found on a link to kava, kratom. After going over the page I realized this is what I was suffering from. And after three days, just like that the symptoms were gone and j was back to normal. To be honest after that I was being pretty responsible with it. Only stopping in maybe every two weeks otherwise I was just consuming regular kava. But then the frequency increased and before you knew it I was there everyday even though by then I knew what the problems were.

So here is both sides of the coin for anyone thinking about taking it for the first time. (This is from my

Positive Aspects

5:12 pm July 8th, 2012

(This is from my personal experience)

Positive aspects:

•alleviated all anxiety and depression I had been suffering from for years
•gave me energy throughout the day. I accomplish so much at work and home.
•elevated my mood. Made it easier in social situations. That guy(me) was funny and people want to talk and be around him.
•met many new friends

Negative Aspects:

•withdrawal symptoms
•can be a strain on the pocket book if you are going for the extracts
•you become almost a slave to the plant. You have to make sure you can get to wherever it is you get it at a certain time. Or if you get it shipped, one day delay and your world seems to come crashing down.
•puts a strain on your relationships. If you keep your addiction from your other half I guarantee they will know something is wrong. It’s best to be honest right away because they might think its something else like cheating.
•and probably the greatest negative aspect of all is if you truly abuse it for a long period of time it will take that much longer to feel normal again once you have stopped.

There are several more to both positive and negative aspects but these are the ones I feel are affecting me most. Especially my relationship with my wife which is the most important to me. It’s just like anything else, if you are going to do it, be responsible with it. For some of us like me it’s not a good idea to start, especially if you have an addictive personality. I know no matter how hard I try I will never be able to have some every now and then. I feel it’s time to quit, it really is. I am tired of stressing if my package is going to make it or going behind my wife’s back. I don’t want to live like that anymore but at the same time I am a little nervous about the future. Good luck to everyone.

5:50 pm July 8th, 2012

I just wanted to mention one more thing. Without this plant I really don’t know where my life would be right now. When I was drinking my life was horrible. I don’t believe it should become illegal for two reasons. One is there are many responsible people out there that can enjoy this without abusing it. And second, I can’t even imagine the hell that’s associated with being addicted to pain pills or even worse, heroin. This plant has helped thousands of people get off these powerful substances and stay off.

8:03 pm August 9th, 2012

I agree with Austin. I battled with getting off of oxy for a long time but always went back. The kratom was the only thing that helped me kick the addiction. When i finally went off the Kratom i thought it was a walk in the park compared to opiates. This is a miracle cure for people like me. 1st off if your a hard core opiate addict, the effects of Kratom don’t even come close to the way a pain pill feels. It will only help with the depression and the first 5 days of hell during detox. 2nd off, it gives a recovering addict a way to ease off their drug of choice and to get in the habit of not taking it.

4:02 pm September 5th, 2012

i take kratom for chronic pain. i also use norco,alcohol, agmatine they all cause dependance. you must pay attention to yourself and your limitations. norco,alcohol are poison but useful. agmatine,kratom are better for you.i have stoped all at once some withdrawl not fun,but becomming obsessed with things like not understanding yourself or blaming other things for problems. use knoledge with experimentation and make logical desisions for yourself.for me norco,booze i loose the rest i can use. dont be affraid to find a counseler…peace……

8:07 pm September 16th, 2012

kratom helped me get off opiates , so it was a life saver for me , however , it is addictive as well, since it does make you feel good. i take a little kratom every day , because i enjoy it . but its nothing like the helpless feeling of addiction to opiates . if i suddenly couldnt get any kratom , it wouldnt be pleasant , but i could handle it . i think the key is moderation with kratom , like alcohol .

10:13 pm October 13th, 2012

I started taking Kratom as a tea many years ago, it was incredibly intense and helped with those late nights out. It was a very, very rare afternoon drinking tea with a buddy. When I discovered powdered form, I would make a weekend smoothie once in a while, but usually went thru 24 grams in a few weeks. Fast forward to today, I just went through a divorce and find myself doing 4-5g daily. Everything about this article is the truth. Kratom is incredibly addictive and the tolerance shows no mercy on your psyche, your pocketbook or your relationships. In fact, before my divorce, I was using kratom daily while “happily married.” I’ll never know how kratom affected my personality but do you think it is a coincidence that kratom became a daily habit and I soon found my twelve year relationship and marriage gone…?

If you just started playing with kratom, find a way to stop now.

After reading this and all the replies, I am going to start weening myself from daily usage.

The restless legs WD is the worst!! The shooting electricity through your arms and legs is enough to drive one crazy. If you are denied sleep for enough days in a row you will fry yourself. DON’T DO IT.

Is it better than pain pills? Arguably yes. But in the end you are still using.

4:15 am October 22nd, 2012

@Timothy, quote: “This herb should be regulated, and should come with warnings”

The government should not need to warn you of every danger in life (and in my opinion never should). You should always do your research before taking any substance. People need to take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others.

This comes from someone who has had many addictions in life. No one else should ever be at fault when I seek a “high” from an unregulated herb. You can’t blame anyone else for *your* decision to start taking this.

11:53 pm December 18th, 2012

I’ve been using Kratom for about a year. I’ve used it for two weeks straight before and didn’t have any withdrawal symptoms. I usually do it two weeks on/ one week off. I have moderate back pain and after many treatments and many drugs, Kratom is the strongest, legal thing I can find to help my pain. I’ve been to 3 doctors and they all refuse to prescribe me painkillers other than an occasional small script of Vicodin. I’m not out to get high, I just want to relieve pain. And after researching Kratom, I found it works on the same receptors in the brain as opiates, so I gave it a try. For all of you who say it’s a bad thing to do. You are crazy. I’m willing to bet it’s safer than all the prescription pain meds out there. And a lot less addictive. I’ve heard of people having withdrawals from Kratom that lasted a few days. Big deal! Try getting off of heroin. Not fun. I helped my brother get off of smack 10 years ago. He was throwing up for a week. Couldn’t sleep, had nightmares, cramps, etc. So for all you nay sayers, I will keep taking my soothing, kratom tea in the evening, with my Aleve, and be pain free, if just for 3 or 4 hours.

11:24 am December 19th, 2012

I was using Kratom for anxiety daily for 3 years. Then it was made illegal in my country. I was only using leaf powder and didn’t have any problems what so ever when I had to quit it except getting back my anxiety of course.

So now I’m back to alcohol and pills. Is that better? I dont think so. Kratom is a life saver.

2:28 am December 23rd, 2012

I just bought a big bag of this stuff last night. I have a bad back and quit smoking marijuana 3 days ago due to the legality issues and problems obtaining it as well. I had a prescription to tabs for a couple weeks and turned into a jerk. I hate them.
I ate thousands of x pills and did crystal when that stopped working for about a year and a half. I had a physical addiction to mdma and automatically released seratonin in the evening. Excited it was going to work this time I started popping them…10 to 20 to 30 pills in one night later. Nothing. My body tricked me again. After finally switching and using crystal for long enough to be good and hooked I quit cold turkey. I drink energy drinks regularly but have done nothing but smoked marijuana off and on when the pain is too much for me.
I was in the USMC infantry for 5 years, carried tons of steel a day literaly for 5 years(50-100+lbs at a time-rebar), and now deliver furniture for the last 2 1/2 years. My back is on fire(figuratively of coarse) right now. I bought a new mattress from work several days ago and use a heating pad but nothing helps much. I would get really good strains and still be sore and uncomfortable but high. I enjoy that feeling on occasion but started smoking for pain relief(at home, not at work) not getting high.
I didn’t read this until last nights purchase. I won’t receive my order for a while due to slow holiday season mail. Now I have conflicting ideas of wanting to use it for pain but not wanting something I will feel I need. I aven’t missed those days at all. I do appreciate everything I read though because not only do I know more but a couple people at work are badly addicted to pills. Maybe I’ll give them some/all to help their cause. One does some unknown amount and one eats about 30 tabs a day.
Thanks for everyones input and advice. Good luck to anyone trying to get off of anything. It sucks but is doable if you want to quit. My uncle almost died a couple days ago but my former crack abusing father has been clean for years. He used a long time. He is disabled and after using crack for all those years he wouldn’t even smoke to relieve pain with me a couple years ago(I was fine then, he wasn’t). One year apart and brothers they went different directions because one wanted to quit and one still doesn’t. I’ve had many family members addicted to crack, regular coke, heroin, methadone, meth,…… You have to want to quit or you won’t. You know if you’re ready or not. I hate to start over again on the rollercoaster that drug and alcohol addiction can be just to not hurt any longer.
I had almost a whole vial of acid at one time along with many 1-10 “hit” sessions, was an alcoholic for years in the Corps, and did as many drugs for the 4-5 years I did them as someone from the sixties. I am not bragging, I feel like an a** for what I did to my body and have bad memory problem as well as other problems. I don’t drink but a couple times a year and only if invited out. I never want any more chemical drugs for the rest of my days. I’ll research some more options until it arrives. God Bless everyone that truly want help quitting any addictive thing in their life.

5:46 pm February 16th, 2013

There are tea bars that sell this and people use it for years with no issues,. The people that have issues are those in Asia that pick it and chew it all day ( they get a nice bronze tan ) other wise they don’t get as tired not using it ,..making a tea cup once or twice a day ? GMAB ! There is a report of a KRATOM over dose in Ca., the guy was making a big deal saying over and over he was suffering from KRATOM with draw please help please help I’m going through hell. The doc was so suspect she refused to put her name on the paper work, . Big pharm attemp with a street bum ? U judge This stuff really helps with chronic pain and has no addiction and best of all ? Your getting an anti oxidizer is stead Of risking liver and Reno kidney shut down ,. If your kid has a drug problem you can really get him or her off it and get them back before they are found dead .

8:08 pm March 12th, 2013

Take it from me. I was addicted to methadone 5 years ago..addicted to opiates for years because of scoliosis and severe muscle cramps. My body is twisted. I weened off methadone and now only take kratom on occasion. Not only am I not psychologically dependant but it gives me pain relief in a cheap and affective form.
This as a wonder herb..I’m very happy to have it. It has also almost cured me from my PTSD disorder. I don’t have panic attacks as often.

8:13 pm March 12th, 2013

Also. The good feelings of kratom are nothing compared to opiate pills. Seriously try it before you bash it. It’s not even a comparison for euphoria but for’s amazing. I can live my life again.

7:18 pm March 25th, 2013

I am astounded by some of these comments. I have been using kratom as a tea for 2 years for arthritis pain. In the last year since we moved to a higher altitude that causes migraines, I have been consuming one tbsp. powder steeped in a cup of boiled water per day. I don’t have any withdrawal if I don’t take it for a few days. I have never had to increase my dose, my current dose nearly always works for me. And if I do up the dose I get a rebound effect and it makes my headaches worse. Doctors think anyone seeking pain relief is a drug addict nowadays. Kratom has made my life much more liveable. I’m a smoker, so I know very well that I have a tendency toward addiction and that’s a burden I have struggled with for decades. I am really shocked by some people’s negative experiences with it.

Kratom User
5:33 pm May 29th, 2013

I use kratom on a daily basis..sometimes. Its not hard to just NOT do it. at all. literally last week i developed a tolerance all week. The first day I took 5 grams through out the day, increased dose everyday to about 15 grams by the last day. I need to save what I have left till later plus my tolerance is raised so I just dont use it. its super easy. its like “im going to eat apple pie today, and tomorrow and the day after” then its like “ya order to enjoy apple pie, I need to forget what it tastes like. its boring now” but in a week I could easily forget about it and not even want it again for a long ass time. and when I do want it its not big deal if i cant get it. its liek coffe. or fuckin beef jerky. anybody can get addictes dto the idea of anything.; like big macs. I dont see people calling those addictive but they are. look around. Kratom will cause constipation especially if you do what I did. its easily cured by drinking alot of water on the days you use it. which is easy because i apply 5 grams to about a gallon of water.naturally you should be able to avoid that part. it will also cause mild heart burn possibly after continued use. that can be shitty if you DO get strung out on the shit.. but thats as likely as getting strung out on skittles. literally. candy skittles. not slang.
I hope this personal reflection guides someone towards the opposing bias insight. yes i am bias. this shit got me off of some HARD ass drugs. and my life is going great because of it. its about as harmful as its cousin. coffee.

2:29 pm June 11th, 2013

I’m surprised at the “don’t start” advice. Like most addictions, it takes 3 days for the brain’s feedback mechanisms to adjust. In theory most of us can get away with it if you don’t continue for a third day. Even then you can significantly reduce addiction by making sure to not expose the brain for the majority of the day, ie only taking it in the evening.

Ideally, one would not take an addictive drug more than once every other day; but 2 days on, 1 day off may be good enough, but YMMV.

1:21 pm July 5th, 2013

KRATOM gets you high ? Lol. You can get high if snorted pepper! If you look at the real facts on this the side effect if not addiction but a brown tone to the skin for those who pick the leafs and chew it all day to relieve fatigue I know a place where they serve it in a tea bar and clients drink it daily to help with pain and none if them even looked tanned unless there beach goers . None are addicted and many stop for a month before there popping there head back in . There is one man on record I found from a over dose in Ca., he went into a ER room yelling he was addicted to KRATOM and the doctor was like ..what’s KRATOM she smelled a rat and refused to put her name on the case. Tis is all BS and big Pharma is mad because there losing money . The good lord put all the herbs to be used on earth and if you abuse anything it can be bad. Would you rather your family go to a doc where they get narcotic pain pills ? Talk about addiction and potential for abuse !! Damage to your body and tollerance to the opiate from poppies makes them ask for higher and higher doses. Wake up people . Wake up. Wanna outlaw something go after fast food it kills millions from heart clogs . 2700 left handed people are killed annually from using products made for right handed people. Who has died from KRATOM ? How many get some sort of pain relief . Stop the lies.

2:17 pm July 5th, 2013

I still have most of the Kratom I purchased months ago as stated in my last post. I haven’t used any in a while but I think I’ll go try some again. 1. I used it for a few weeks daily. 2. I used probably more than I should have each time. 3. I have since started smoking pot again regularly. 4. I feel no urge to use kratom. I have been addicted to several things(now weed again) but nothing for the kratom. Seems safe enough to me

1:11 pm July 19th, 2013

I just started Kratom because I have severe knee pain and didn’t want to start on opiates. Sometimes I get relief sometimes no. I’m about to have eye surgery in August what should I do?

2:12 pm July 22nd, 2013

do I tell the eye surgeon about Kratom

11:15 am July 23rd, 2013

Hi lujean. Yes, I would suggest full disclosure about Kratom use with any medical doctor. They need to know what is in the system, especially if you will be given anesthesia.

1:14 pm July 23rd, 2013

I am a regular kratom user. Had gallbladder removal surgery and kidney stone surgery. The doctor never asked, so I never mentioned it. I have told doctors in the past though that I use kratom for pain. They have no idea what it is usually and don’t seem to have any interest once you mention it is a plant.

Captain Vic
3:39 pm July 23rd, 2013

Kratom can make you lose sleep if you drink to much tea. Just like the coffee tea don’t drink it again if it messes up your sleep ! Yes they don’t like it in Asia because like South America where they work the peasants like Anunakki slaves their skin turns a little brown from chewing the KRATOM leaves for 30 years WTH would you expect when you eat any herb all day and until you pass out ? Your bodies molecules in Amerika are now 99% CORN molecule because all you meats and dairy and food stuffs are corn AND worse its GMO corn gene spliced with the genetics of a frog ( or so they say ) there is some evil sh&$ behind that people ) your people in Asia are 99% KRATOM molecule makeup it does not have the nutrition corn does SO yea after 30 years of chewing cud of any plant your going to have some medical issues. STOP these five rich global cabals from taking what the CREATOR gave you to get through life and make your own choices for health – KRATOM is a far superior over Suboxin for opiate withdraw ! Those Big Pharmas are charging $200 for that drug monthly and its a program that drags on for years and it can give you a sudden heart attack I know personally cases of this ,. Kratom is mild and you will not find any real case of over dose ( minus those who smoke everything they can including old shoe laces ). Order some and make your tea and see if it does not help with pain it does ! Not as good as their opiate pills they prescribe but its better then getting a narcotic addiction.

Captain Vic
3:56 pm July 23rd, 2013

They intend to make it illegal in the US then wait and see they will grind it up and sell it to you in a pill then charge for it. Big pharma is no doubt paying trolls $10.83 an hour to troll ridiculous comments by those who never used it. No doubt included in the list of jobs Obama created along with the other jobs they took credit for I.e 178000 DHS and the millions of NSA corporate spy jobs yea that’s job growth. When martial law wiggles in they stand to make billions of private military contractors jack booting your rights . Don’t believe ! Think . Real knowledge is power.

1:12 am September 11th, 2013

This is me nicole , see looks and look , at the time , at the time earlier i post . Search updward or downward . At the 2012 , on how i used to 4 months addiction that time , that day . But now is 2013
, i failed the sucessfully envelope
In me . Please god help me .

3:10 am October 14th, 2013

I just started using Kratom and just from the effects I can tell that it is not a real drug, just an herb. I have been through Alcohol withdrawal, Heroin withdrawal, Anti depressant withdrawal, and Benzo withdrawal. Heroin withdrawal was a joke compared to Benzo withdrawal. Benzo withdrawal lasted 1 year, with inpatient treatment, panic attacks, risk of seizure, loss of EYESIGHT, loss of balance, loss of energy, stuttering, trembling…etc. Heroin withdrawal wasn’t even close to this. A week of restless nights with a flu and that’s it.

11:52 pm November 1st, 2013

I have been taking kratom capsules every day for about a year. I usually take 4-6 capsules once a day and when experiencing pms I take it twice a day. It has done wonders for my energy, anxiety, pain and mood. Of course I feel I am slightly addicted which does bother me sometimes. My question is, what is so wrong with taking this every day in small amounts? I have been on several anti depressants and anxiety meds and since taking kratom I have taken nothing. I also drink much less alcohol . I just don’t understand why people support chemical solutions for these issues but insist taking kratom every day us so bad. Any thoughts?

2:14 am November 5th, 2013

I used this stuff back in the day when NO ONE knew what it was. I was becoming addicted to Vicodin so I looked up “herbal Vicodin” I found Kratom. It was delivered to my address and then I was in for a ride from HELL..I thought it was heaven…but “the angel of light” was beautiful too!
So, unlike many that will say…”ah, just don’t abuse it…la la la la LA!!!” whatever. It made me feel so damn good that I would of said or done anything to protect my Kra-kra!! I started with teaspoon in tea, didn’t care if it wasn’t the most pleasant taste…I wasn’t drinking it for the taste. By year 7 I was up to at least 10 Tbs per day. If you are not an addict of any kind there is a possibility this may not apply to you however it’s not time to test the water and become one!
7 years I used Kratom..finally went on Suboxone. I lowered the suboxone pretty well…and overall weaning mostly was just psychological so that I would not use. I did over two years treatment with Suboxone. But just don’t put yourself through this..particularly the “withdrawals” want to meet the devil…give it a go!! And give him all your money too..wait for Mr. Postman, fed X man like your waiting for your fix, because you are! Overnight it because day after next is Sunday and you don’t know if you can last through two more days and don’t want to try.
But I strongly with all the love I can muster…say Please don’t!!

2:17 am November 5th, 2013

I would like to add that the “chemical properties” of Kratom resemble those of Morphine.

9:41 pm November 5th, 2013

Where did you get your kratom from Michelle? That is the most bizarre kratom story I’ve ever heard.

5:19 pm November 7th, 2013

Ive been using kratom for over a year now with a couple of short breaks in between. Yes there are withdrawals. Are you bed ridden like heroin other other strong opiates, NO! I used to use strong narcotics for 2 years daily use. Never came down longer than a few hours for a year straight. If kratom is the strongest thing youve ever done than yes withdrawal might be very hard for you. But i will continue to use it for as long as i need because it stops any thought of ever going back to opiates.Is that replacing one for another. maybe.

11:40 pm November 14th, 2013

Well, It’s my story (For whatever it’s worth anyhow.) Take it leave it..I think it’s great that one can take it a few times a week. I am an addict..using something “a few times a week” to an addict is a contradiction. If anyone can use this stuff a few times a week, wonderful. If anyone can take a few pills a day, Like “Dee574″ I personally anyhow..see no problem whatsoever with that. I will only give my more than that. However I am a recovering alcoholic, I was a severe cocaine addict and opiate pill popper, Loved Meth however didn’t have the access to get addicted or that would be on the list too as well as other occasional use historic of “shrooms” and acid which are a few things I don’t think I’d enjoy doing on a regular basis at all. I am very grateful I have never stuck a needle in my arm! The thing about alcohol and cocaine for me anyhow, was that I’d have withdrawals for a few days. That was it for me! It didn’t mean I wouldn’t want just meant that was the extent of PHYSICAL pain and suffering in my experience other than causing a great deal of guilt, shame and hurting people I cared about. However, I walked into the opiate world completely ignorant of the time it would take to withdrawal from opiates be it Vicodin, Demerol whatever I could find, to me the time felt eternal and it was extremely difficult..Kratom for me was exactly the same, for me..same withdrawals it was no different. I wished to hell it was however…I was hoping too it would be an easier softer way to get off of opiates. When I personally found Kratom I defended it to as “natural” “holistic”. Is it better? Well in my opinion only (that’s why we blog isn’t it our experience, our opinion?) I didn’t “black out” on I did alcohol nor act like a complete moron. I didn’t spend as much money on Kratom as I did on cocaine, Demerol or Vicodin. It was sure a lot easier to get. I personally can’t imagine going to the ER on the stuff..unless it was laced with something else..”that’s the most bizarre story” I personally have ever heard about the stuff! I wouldn’t want to jeopardize Kratom legalization for those that find it useful and do not abuse it either. I find alcohol causes way more pain and misery for oneself and for others than Kratom..and one cannot go to a “kratom” store and have a nice large selection to choose from like a liquor store..drink it up and kill someone while driving under the influence or losing a marriage, friends etc. Kratom could cause financial tension perhaps within a relationship if it becomes unaffordable. If one lives with someone that is in a program like NA, this could cause issues..I just never found it to alter my personality in a derogatory way however I found Kratom did have me by the ass, and I didn’t like anything having me like that..but I could go on a tangent about this…because my getting off the antidepressant “effexor” was certainly no picnic..and caused much more pain. The Good, the bad, the pros, the cons…personal experiences. I appreciate reading about them all. I wished I could use and not abuse :)

5:44 pm December 11th, 2013

This article is pretty biased to be honest…I am an ex heroin addict. I went to rehab for 1 week and have been clean since for over a year. I did not attend aa or na because some of my religious beleifs contradict some of their beleifs.

No matter what you are told, think for yourself and question authority. You are allowed, it is not bad to ask why.

If a drug is anything that causes a change in the way you think, then literally every single edible thing on this planet is a drug. Look up pharmacokonetics of normal foods you eat. Caffeine is a drug. 50+% of Americans are addicts in that case. What about tobacco or alcohol? How many deaths have there been from plain whole leaf kratom alone not.mixed with any other substance? Zero. None. There have been deaths from caffeine o.d. maybe that illegal.

Open your eyes people. Get out of this easy-to-manipulate docile state.

5:11 am January 25th, 2014

Kratom is from the coffee family. With the help of God’s Holy Spirit and taking the right dosage of Kratom it has helped keep me off dangerous drugs which would and still could kill me (like heroin and prescription opioids). It is great for Opioid/Opiate Dependency which is classified as a mental disorder in the DSM IV. It is safe and has many health benefits to it as well. For some of us it is a Godsend, and I am thankful for this natural plant God has so graciously given us! Only experienced people should submit comments. I am free of all hard drugs! Praise the Lord!

Parent of user
7:08 pm January 27th, 2014

My son is addicted to Kratom. My son broke his back in a cycling accident 4 years ago and still suffers some pain. He was always looking for something that would ease his suffering without him losing his ability to function. He started with the plant material and graduated to the extract. He is 26 years old and an ex-Navy Nuke. he spent many hours researching and prefecting his addiction on the internet and involving over-the-counter drugs as well. After finding out of this addiction, I have tried to enroll him in a drug dependency clinic but with no luck because of the unfamiliarity of the drug. We’ve tried every clinic within a 100 mile radious of our home, and because the state doesn’t fund the clinics completely in this state we could not afford the addmission fee to have him enrolled in a 24hr suppervised drug detox facility (and we live in a large heavily populated area with lots of drug interaction clinics). He admitts of his addiction and has pleaded for help. Since we can find nobody to help professionally, he currently is attempting to break his addiction by a gradual weining of the product with the use of the over-the-counter cough medicines and lowering the grams of Kratom over a 4 week process inwhich he said worked once before. With the help of his grandparents supervising the days, I am able to continue working during the day so I can be with him in my home all night. I am hoping this works and am at his mercy for knowledge and pray everyday that this will work. Kratom has drastically increased his depression and anxiety and his inability to interact with others. he has lost his navy career, many jobs, his wife and almost the support of his family. He was stealing and pawning everything he could to keep his addiction going without remorse of what he was doing because the depression he was under left him not careing of any reprocussions. I read all the comments in this article and can’t believe how many defend Kratom just exactly as my son did when he first started using it. It was so great then. Just a naturally grown plant with a mild opiate effect. I’m going to ask him to post his views on this and let him share his story on how it effected him and everyone around him. he compaired it with herione but harder to kick because it takes longer to do and the depression is intense. He wasn’t able to go “cold turkey” before because mainly of the depression. He confided in me, since all the cards were on the table, that he had done all sorts of things from LSD and herione to schroons and pot and that this was the easiest to get but hardest to quit.
You might think I’m just another duped parent, but I’ve seen first hand how it has taken control of his life over the past year.
If there is one person who would believe this and turn away from Kratom my effort to inform will not be wasted.
Please do what you can to stay away for this and any other street drugs because they only destroy.

Allan T Dinegar
7:05 pm February 23rd, 2014

I am sorry sir, but the information you provide is very inaccurate. Constipation isn’t an indicator of addiction. I suffer from severe chronic pain, and I am 58 years old, and for many years I was prescribed a number of powerful opiates, which in time left me severely addicted. I have herniated disks, fibromyalgia, poly neuropathy, rheumatoid arthritis, cervical radiculopathy, and with tolerance, and over time the dose and the changing of one weaker medication led to another more potent pain med. In time they didn’t work any longer. With the addiction to these medications, in time, this began to involve the desire to take a med because of the effect, was also present. I could write a book on the insanity, danger, and inevitable hell that waits for someone being treated for pain today, by pain management doctors. They have only so many medications they can offer to treat chronic, severe pain. The reason a doctor will say using Mitragyna Speciosa is always abuse is simply because they did not prescribe it, and technically, it hasn’t been approved by AMA for the treatment of pain. This always involves pharmaceutical medications, that can be very toxic, and have severe side effects.. If I were taking just about anything that is not on their list, it would be abuse, or just something they would not recommend, because of potential lawsuits if something went wrong. Certain nutrients are known to help certain health issues, and a doctor would not suggest them because of this point. I inevitably discontinued my use of prescription pain meds., because they were literally killing me! After some time after being off of these meds, I began using what is called Kratom by some, for my pain, which by the way, I really didn’t think would help. Kratom was just another wonder herb, or nutrient, that would be the answer for all my ills. Well, I tried it, and it has been a Godsend. In the beginning, I had to establish what amount would help my pain, and after that, there was some tolerance, but up until a certain point. Now, I wake up in the morning, and like a cup of coffee(it is in the coffee family, by the way)I would have a cup, and this is the ONLY time in the day when I do this. This amount of Kratom, in the morning, energizes me, and does not leave me in a stupor, like the opiates, and opioids, that my physicians used to prescribe to me. Make no mistake about this, Kratom does not cause drug seeking behavior, and it actually helped remove any cravings for the opiates that I became addicted to in the past! Please do not create a sensation about something like Kratom, because it is a God send for me, and many others,and the way you speak of it, causes undue concerns about it that result in possible legislation to make it a controlled substance. If this could be patented by the drug companies, they would have grabbed this right up, and possibly had turned it into something that would cost an arm and a leg. Please be aware of how prescribed opiates, and opioids have caused a tremendous amount of suffering and even death in this country. These are the drugs you should be concerned about, and trying to put pressure on the drug companies. Oxycontin in Boston, because it cost so much on the street, once someone became addicted, they had to jump from the oxycontin, to heroin, because heroin is much cheaper for the person addicted to oxycontin! This is just one example of how approved pain medication can be deadly.And oxycontin is still out there , and being prescribed more liberally than it should be! Discontinuing Kratom, is not much worse than discontinuing coffee after drinking it regularly. Anyone trying to snort Kratom doesn’t know what they are doing! They are in for a very stuffy nose, that all! Please try and provide accurate information when writing about this blessing. Kratom is the ground leaves of a tree.. Aspirin, is from the bark of a tree. Bayer, the company that first developed aspirin, was the company that first synthesized heroin back in the 1890′s. There is what is called “decocanised” coca leaves used in Coca Cola. Coca Cola is the biggest importer of Coca into this country! Just food for thought!

6:05 pm February 27th, 2014

I find it funny how people consider this a negative addiction and yet many would willingly go on anti-depressants. Kratom has had more of a positive impact than anti-deps ever did and far fewer side effects. I’ve had exactly one side effect from kratom, over the past year: nausea (which you can eliminate by mixing it with ginger). In contrast, anti-deps come with some extremely scary health risks (some permanent) and lots of minor side effects like weight gain/loss, hair loss, reduced libido, etc.
Whereas kratom has had the following results: Helped me through a period of extreme grief and loss. Greatly reduced anxiety. Increased libido and satisfaction. Sense of connectedness and calm. Enhanced enjoyment of my work and even of basic tasks around the home.

DJT (one of the posters above who has commented several times on kratom as supposedly purely negative) has no idea what s/he is talking about. They’ve never even tried it. They’re speaking about a second-hand experience and it sounds as if they are very fearful of any kind of potentially addictive substances. I feel sorry for your partner, DJT. You seem like a very controlling person.

I second the comments of those users who have all essentially said that it sucks to go off kratom, but it is extremely easy and takes a few days at most. I’ve had to do it a few times. I don’t like it, but it’s not like it leaves you crying on the floor. And funny enough, the symptoms are just like the ones I was told to expect when going off of anti-depressants. If you want to reduce the negative experience of withdrawal, taper your usage until it’s nil. Problem solved.

What is total b.s. are the people crying for regulation of something they’ve never even tried before. Meanwhile they take Advil, Prozac, and other drugs with side effects that are similar or worse but have no problem with it because you can buy them at over priced rates at your local drugstore and they have been deemed safe by consumption by a government body.

I’m sure kratom will be regulated eventually — so that the government can start making money off of it.

12:11 am May 6th, 2014

Ive been using Kratom for a while now for kidney disease. It kills the pain relatively fast without side effects. When people say Kratom is addictive are they talking about when you’re in pain and need it. For people saying better today because you can’t stop it when you’re in pain. I can tell you from experience without pain I don’t need it I don’t take it. If you’re in pain if you’re addicted to heavy meds give tinctures a try seems to work for me.

12:35 am May 7th, 2014

This is a joke right? I used kratom to come off a 6 year methadone maintenance program. I’ve been on multiple SSRI/SNRI and other novel anti-depressants like tetracyclics ..AD’s like trazadone and mirtazapine. Nothing helped my apathy and unrelenting depression/anxiety until I discovered Kratom. I remained on the MMT program because it alleviated my crippling depression. – which sequentially exacerbated all my anxiety and depression when tapering off methadone … for 7 months straight of PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome)

Kratom has been targeted by the pharmaceutical industry and those in its pockets because of its wide array of benefits that render potent, addictive narcotics and run of the mill anxiety and anti-depressant USELESS.

Kratom mitigates my herniated disc and lumbar sprain with sciatic pain, my anxiety (GAD) and depression. I receive motivation, mental clarity, pain relief and anxiety relief ON TOP of its anti-oxidative properties.

Addiction? Ever try to come off of Paxil, Effexor, Prozac, Zoloft, Gabapentin, Tramadol, Lamictal or Cymbalta JUST TO NAME A FEW? Withdrawal from these medications rivals that of heroin withdrawal and lasts any where from 6 months to a year of INTENSE SUFFERING when trying to taper and discontinue.


5:36 pm May 8th, 2014

@luke. Have to agree with you there. No medication has ever given me the quality of life that kratom has. I stopped taking Zoloft one time and you want to talk about withdrawals. I’ve never felt anything like that. But you’re exactly right. The pharmaceutical companies have found the medicinal value in it and it’s just going to be reefer madness all over again.

Allan D.
11:39 pm May 9th, 2014

You note that, “in your experience,” Kratom, this and Kratom that, what qualifies you to write these articles noting what you present as facts concerning Kratom? There is no one that can present information here more than myself, concerning opiate addiction. I don’t mean I had the worst problem, but I mean that I had this problem for over 40 years, on and off, and I have studied addiction, so I qualify on both sides of that fence. Pain was the door where these pain medications entered, that made me vulnerable to this addiction.

1:18 pm May 12th, 2014

I got bunk kratom. Lol. Seriously though, I can’t even talk myself into wanting to use it. I finally used a bunch a couple months ago after my last post and just stayed up all night. I just wanted it for pain but it doesn’t do anything for it. I guess my supply will run out eventually and I have no intention on replacing it. I think it’s awesome that it can help some people. I also think it’s awesome that as addictive as my personality is that I don’t want it after using it. To anyone else that has problems with it hopefully you will pull through.

6:06 am May 13th, 2014

Its too bad that people are abusing kratom in recent times. Kratom can be used to assist with many ailments such as pain, anxiety, sleep, depression, motivation, and so much more. Before using it you should check out kratom side effects so you can be prepared for any adverse reactions. Respect this prized plant.

Allan Dinegar
10:43 am May 17th, 2014

It appears some people worry too much! I do it for pain once a day, and I have no craving, nor do I feel any withdrawal symptoms, setting in at any point in the day. I don’t feel any withdrawal when I wake up in the morning, which if it was an opiate form of addiction, I would wake up feeling a dreadful depression, that runs so deep it is crippling! Anyone that knows this feeling, knows that, the first thing you do when you wake up, is get off!. I take Kratom for pain, and it helps. I have herniated disks, cervical radiculopathy, poly-neuropathy, arthritis, and fibromyalgia. Most of which is the result of years of putting anything into my body that would help my pain, and I don’t mean physical pain primarily, I mean the pain of being a prisoner of the Opium Poppy, in one form or another. The pain of knowing how addiction has affected myself, my family, lovers I have had throughout my life, my wife and mostly my son, who saw me hit bottom, and it is horrible! A bottom most addicts don’t live long enough to hit, and very few survive this kind of hit! It is a desolation of the soul, and as low decent into becoming one of the walking dead; no feelings, no life!! I have to say one thing though, about my addiction, and what it did to my life, and how once I put behind me, I was blessed to understand things, and myself in a way, many don’t! William Blake had a saying; ” The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom,” and I have found this is true, but I don’t recommend trying this path to obtain wisdom, because odds are, you will not survive long enough to arrive there! A place, odds are, that most will not break free from , once you have succumbed to an addiction to the substance, that will steal your soul, body, and mind! BUT, it can be done, and if I can do it, YOU can do it-simple math! You just have to be ready, you have to want it! Addiction will take your life, don’t ever fool yourself differently! Back to the Kratom. I am in recovery for years, and have a degree in addiction studies from CUNY, so I could recognize any withdrawal symptoms from Kratom use, if they were present, at any time of the day. For me withdrawals are not present the way I use Kratom. When I do my concoction in the morning, which I take with 100mg of Ubiquinol(coenzQ10), a multi vitamin, 2x100mg of Omega 3 fatty acids, 100mg of Lithium Oratate(nutrient), and Selenium, and 100 mg of Chromium, which I do together, in a half hour or so, my physical pain is gone, I feel good, and I can function!. It does cause a euphoria, that in a distant way is similar to opiates. But rather than dope you up, it usually creates energy, unless you do too much! The euphoria I am talking about, is more of a feeling, of feeling great. It make me feel the way I feel if I exercised, took a shower, and went out and sat in my favorite chair, and listened to some mello music. It does work with the Mu receptors in the brain, but it has othere qualities which may very well help with depression. It makes you just feel good, but in a different way than opiates. It is hard to explain. Anyway, Kratom can, and will, be used by inexperienced kids, or young people looking for a buzz. I feel it is safer and cleaner, and really, less of a threat than pot, glue, cigarettes, the usual gateway “drugs.” Can someone get addicted to it! Man, I am not a big coffee drinker(Kratom is in the same genus, or family as coffee, by the way)and if I drink it every day for about 2 weeks or so, and if I stop , suddenly, I go through at least one day of a rip roaring headache, and feel lousy all day. Coffee is addictive! And in this sense, Kratom is maybe a little more addictive in a way, and, can, I guess, and will, be used by some looking to elicit a high. The definition of “high,” concerning Kratom, deserves close inspection as it, if used correctly, and not for the sake of abuse, what you feel is less of a high, and more like a great lift, increase in your mood. You feel really good, but not in the way a shot of heroin makes you feel good. I am not comparing the strength-quality, of the two here, but the “essence. ” It is somewhat like a light opiate feeling, but without the depressing of the autonomic nervous system-your breathing. I am trying to clarify, the difference between the two. In Indonesia, Kratom is served in their form of coffee shops, but it isn’t coffee they serve, or not only coffee, anyway, it’s Kratom. I can only tell you my experience with it. I do it every day, once, and I haven’t known craving, or withdrawal ever! Tolerance, on the other hand, which some consider a component of addiction, can occur. Sometimes I have used it as an anti-depressant, and I have known all the anti-depressants on the market(100,00 people die every year from the side affects of the SSRI’s, SNRI’s, and killed more people than all the drugs combined, and you could throw in all the American’s that died in Vietnam as well), and Kratom is far better, and immensely safer, for me anyway. Kratom brightens your mood significantly, so you feel really good in a visceral way, and your mood is lifted up, not down! To be fair, concerning the issue of withdrawal, I haven’t gone without Kratom for more than a day or so, so I can’t tell anyone exactly how they may feel after sustained use. I don’t feel this is a big threat to become a major drug of abuse. If someone smokeed pot, maybe, Kratom can enhance it. I really don’t feel it is a threat that will cause unmanageability in the lives of most people that use it.. This I can say, as a drug of abuse, it is FAR from any form of potential heavyweight , and addiction to it has to be rare. I have been in the recovery process for many years, and have at different times, and even together, been conquered by heroin, cocaine, and every natural, and synthetic, form of opiates, and opioids, out there. I was even addicted to opium tea, which I did legally for years!(can’t do it anymore folks, so those that are out there that just started jonsing over the idea of doing it yourself, the system caught on, and it is not available anymore). I feel this has the potential to help people with chronic pain, and have been chewed up and spit out, down the ro goingad of typical pain meds prescribed by pain management doctors(methadone, oxycodone, hydrocodone codeine, etc.), and want to avoid them, or can’t handle them, and/or, just want to avoid adding another burden to your pain, the inevitable addiction to pain meds, Kratom offers hope. Be careful those of you that work in the field or addiction, such as CACACs, therapists, and even doctors, that demonize the use of the crushed leaves, of the Mitragyana Speciosa, simply because some people try to get high using it, because the pharmaceutical companies, cannot patent it because it is a natural product, and it will present a threat to their market monopoly of pain medications, and just medication in general. If you are going to, or you are using Kratom, be careful, as anything over indulged in, can result unwanted side effects! Don’t walk the walk of death, the dead end narcotics, it WILL take you down! If you are using anything that is making you do things that bother you, stop! I have been there and done that and it will walk take a walk down to the road that leads you to the best person you can be.. It might sound corny to some , but I feel it is a potentially, life saving, suggestion. Peace

2:50 am May 31st, 2014

Just so all of you people know, Kratom is nothing close to opiates or heroin. It is a mellow helpful herb that has no withdrawal symptoms compared to anything like vicodin. It just allows ex-addicts to function normally.

4:42 pm June 22nd, 2014

This is a well written article and is a really good description of kratom addiciton. The article does a good job treating kratom factually relative to the other opioids.

Susan H
2:45 pm June 29th, 2014

I am a chronic pain patient who has learned that to keep my use of pain medication manageable, I have to resign myself to one good day a week. For that purpose, I use kratom capsules one day a week, at the MOST two. set a few days apart from each other .I am an older person and this has become acceptable to me because I’ve experienced the agony of heightened opiate tolerance and withdrawal. Kratom is a good remedy, let’s use it responsibly and keep it legal.

9:40 pm July 1st, 2014

Kratom contains alkaloids that has effects on the human mind. It has stimulating, depressing and intoxicating effects. However, using it in an improper way surely has a bad effect. Its just a matter of knowing and being responsible enough in using it the right way.

Alan Dinegar
4:27 pm July 2nd, 2014

One problem is very apparent. The prohibition of anything that makes you feel good rings home of religion’s demonizing of anything that makes you feel good. God forbid! Kratom does work with the Mu receptors in the brain, so there is an opiate feel to it. Considering this, there are people that will use it to get high. I have been addicted to every opiate out there from heroin to Codeine. I use
Kratom for pain. I never crave it, I don’t experience cravings for opiates-never! I do it once a day in the morning for pain. It holds me for 24 hrs and I never wake up sick! I have been there, done that, and waking up sick is something very familiar for me! There is a cealing for the effect an addict looks for: with the opiates, the more you take-the more sedated you get-euphoria! Kratom takes you only so far and can give very undesirable effects. I would rather my son doing Kratom than alcohol. Can someone fall under an addiction to it? Someone very inexperienced and who has never been addicted to the opiates, I could see the possibility of abuse. Will someone get strung out? I doubt it but anything is possible. No tolerance, no cravings, cealing of the possible effect, in other words no OD, that would be potentially deadly. This is not a very addicting profile. I studied this in College and I have done research on both sides of the law. It helps my pain and I love it. It is ok to feel good. It is in the coffee family, and caffeine bothers me more than anything like that! It is better that it is legal. The illegality of some substances often create more problems than they are meant to solve. Down with prohibition!

9:18 pm July 11th, 2014

Very well written; I agree with the author completely. As a recovering Kratom addict, this is worth reading, wherever you may stand on the topic of Kratom. It has medicinal properties but must be treated with respect and taken responsibly.

2:42 am July 19th, 2014

Kratom has been very helpful for me. It gives me energy relieves stress and anxiety.
It is however addicting. And there are withdrawals. I take 2 to 3 times a day. 6 to 8 grams each time. I cut down to 2x at 6 grams for a week. Had minor problems sleeping. Then the last night no problems sleeping at all. So I tried to go all day without. I felt extremely tired all day no energy. I had a bit of diarrea. I made it to about 30 hours since the last dose. But the restless leg syndrome. Really for me all my limbs. It’s like a physical anxiety for me. No depression just extreme tiredness during the day. But terrible uncomfort trying to sleep. I feel like cutting my legs arm and @$#& off. That seems to be where most of the discomfort is.
So anyway I took another 3 then another 3 after that. Now I feel normal. So while I blew the attempt to quit. At least I am furthering my tapering. I went from 20 plus grams a week ago to about 14. If I can keep it under 10 for a week. Then maybe 5. I don’t know.
I do not want to quit totally I just want to be withdrawal free. To use it two maybe three times a week like when I started. I had no withdrawals. The first time I had one I didn’t know what it was. Naturally I took some kratom and I was like wow this has withdrawals.
I just want to be able to travel or go on vacation and not have to pack sneak my kratom.
And also not go through withdrawal hell.

4:30 am July 24th, 2014

What a complete joke this page is…kratom is related to the coffee plant. Can you take too much kratom and get :addicted”..yes…same thing as coffee. We don’t see people freaking out about that. People do much more damage with sugar, tobacco and alcohol. Leave kratom alone. It has absolutely changed my life for the better. Anyone that is bad mouthing it is just fear mongering and is probably a pawn of big pharma.

5:58 am August 30th, 2014

Was this blog put up by the DEA? FDA? Big Pharma? ALL?
I agree with Meg. This page is a complete joke. To say there are inaccuracies in an understatement. They are out right LIES on here.

About me:
In 1998 I was diagnosed with Lupus. I have other health issues too. In 1992 I was in a car accident. I have herniated discs in my neck and two herniated discs in my back thanks to that. I have scoliosis in which the curve pushes on the herniated discs in my back causing almost continuous pain. I have a bad knee from a sports injury as a teenager needing yet more surgery. I have arthritis in my large toe so bad it no longer bends. I also have Raynaud’s, COPD and hypothyroidism. I will always be on Plaquenil to keep my lupus under control as much as possible but there is no cure for lupus. For pain I have been on Corticosteroids (steroids like prednisone), anti-inflammatory drugs (Naprosyn or ibuprofen), pain meds (Vicodin or Percocet), muscle relaxers (Flexeril) and sleep meds (Lunesta or Ambien and/or trazodone) for many years. While the pain meds helped at first it never completely handled all the issue plus it came with side effects. I refused to take any RA biologics (like Enbrel or Humira) or cancer drugs which are the only options for the pain that got worse over the years. I struggled daily and continued to use only ibuprofen for pain but spent most of my life in the house. Most people know people with lupus are in pain but another thing you battle is extreme exhaustion. 24/7/365 non-stop exhaustion.

I’ve used kratom on and off for over two years. I use a teaspoon of one strain (white vein) in the morning. I may or may not depending on my pain, have another teaspoon six hours later. At night I use two teaspoons of a different strain (red vein) because I want a more relaxing/tired feeling from it. Oh, by the way, it was introduced to me by a chiropractor. Yes, that’s right, a chiropractor. Mitragyna Speciosa, also known as kratom, is the ground up leaves of a tree that is native to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Malaysia, Myanmar, Burma etc.) It is a tropical deciduous and evergreen tree in the coffee family. Yes the coffee family. Anyway, I tried the (capsules) to humor the doctor. I was expecting nothing but I was amazed! My back did not hurt. My neck did not hurt. My toe did not hurt even while wearing tight fitting shoes. I also noticed I had more energy. With kratom I was able to do basic chores for more than 10 minutes at a time. I ordered myself some of the capsules and that was the beginning of my kratom journey.

I started to do more and more research on kratom. I read lots of great things about people who took it for various reasons; chronic pain, energy, MS, RLS, depression, diarrhea, insomnia, diabetes and opiate withdrawal. I joined groups and forums to talk to others using this wonderful plant. I learned about different strains that offer different results. Some are more stimulating, others more relaxing. I learned about various ways to take kratom such as with water, juice, coffee, a smoothie, making tea etc. I read anything I could find on kratom be it good or bad. Throughout reading the information a pattern became obvious. People who were taking kratom said wonderful things about it. Things like how much it has helped them and changed their quality of life. However, the DEA and media say something completely different. I would like to say that they are inaccuracies but that would be an understatement. Fallacies would be the correct term. Below you will find three examples.

1. Kratom gives you heroin like high. FALSE. You do not get high from kratom.
2. Kratom is dangerous and you can overdose. FALSE. You cannot overdose on kratom. If you take too much kratom you will get nauseous. It you really take too much you will throw it up.
3. Kratom is addictive and you will go into withdrawal without it. FALSE. You do not go into withdrawal. I’ve used it on and off for two years and have never had any withdrawal symptoms.
What you WILL notice when you stop taking it is how much it was helping you.

I cannot say enough good things about how this plant has changed my life. Most days I have no pain at all except for my knee which requires surgery. I have energy again. I am able to do chores, go shopping and even some yard work. At night I am able to relax and sleep without pain and without drugs. Someone recently asked me to describe my life with kratom. I said I feel normal again. I am able to participate in my life instead of watching it go by. What an amazing feeling that is.

6:06 am August 30th, 2014

I wanted to post some links for people to be able to start their research on kratom. People need to do their own research on kratom because there is so much information out there that is not true.

I guess I will have to do it this way. Go to Facebook and search on kratom. There are many groups available to join to learn about kratom.

Google Jonny Enoch and listen to his videos and interviews.

Jonny Enoch – The War on Kratom & Kratom Truth

Jonny Enoch – Youbtube Beginners Guide to Kratom

Google Paul Kemp kratom or Paul Kemp hubpages

Google New Hope for Addicts University of Mississippi

9:30 pm August 30th, 2014

I agree with Meg. This page is a complete joke. To say there are inaccuracies in an understatement. They are out right LIES on here.

About me:
In 1998 I was diagnosed with Lupus. I have other health issues too. In 1992 I was in a car accident. I have herniated discs in my neck and two herniated discs in my back thanks to that. I have scoliosis in which the curve pushes on the herniated discs in my back causing almost continuous pain. I have a bad knee from a sports injury as a teenager needing yet more surgery. I have arthritis in my large toe so bad it no longer bends. I also have Raynaud’s, COPD and hypothyroidism. I will always be on Plaquenil to keep my lupus under control as much as possible but there is no cure for lupus. For pain I have been on Corticosteroids (steroids like prednisone), anti-inflammatory drugs (Naprosyn or ibuprofen), pain meds (Vicodin or Percocet), muscle relaxers (Flexeril) and sleep meds (Lunesta or Ambien and/or trazodone) for many years. While the pain meds helped at first it never completely handled all the issue plus it came with side effects. I refused to take any RA biologics (like Enbrel or Humira) or cancer drugs which are the only options for the pain that got worse over the years. I struggled daily and continued to use only ibuprofen for pain but spent most of my life in the house. Most people know people with lupus are in pain but another thing you battle is extreme exhaustion. 24/7/365 non-stop exhaustion.

I’ve used kratom on and off for over two years. I use a teaspoon of one strain (white vein) in the morning. I may or may not depending on my pain, have another teaspoon six hours later. At night if I’m not relaxed enough for sleep, I use two teaspoons of a different strain (red vein) because I want a more relaxing/tired feeling from it. Oh, by the way, it was introduced to me by a chiropractor. Yes, that’s right, a chiropractor. Mitragyna Speciosa, also known as kratom, is the ground up leaves of a tree that is native to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Malaysia, Myanmar, Burma etc.) It is a tropical deciduous and evergreen tree in the coffee family. Yes the coffee family. Anyway, I tried the (capsules) to humor the doctor. I was expecting nothing but I was amazed! My back did not hurt. My neck did not hurt. My toe did not hurt even while wearing tight fitting shoes. I also noticed I had more energy. With kratom I was able to do basic chores for more than 10 minutes at a time. I ordered myself some of the capsules and that was the beginning of my kratom journey.

I started to do more and more research on kratom. I read lots of great things about people who took it for various reasons; chronic pain, energy, MS, RLS, depression, diarrhea, insomnia, diabetes and opiate withdrawal. I joined groups and forums to talk to others using this wonderful plant. I learned about different strains that offer different results. Some are more stimulating, others more relaxing. I learned about various ways to take kratom such as with water, juice, coffee, a smoothie, making tea etc. I read anything I could find on kratom be it good or bad. Throughout reading the information a pattern became obvious. People who were using kratom said wonderful things about it. Things like how much it has helped them and changed their quality of life. However, the DEA and media say something completely different. I would like to say that they are inaccuracies but that would be an understatement. Fallacies would be the correct term. Below you will find three examples.

1. Kratom gives you heroin like high. FALSE. You do not get high from kratom.

2. Kratom is dangerous and you can overdose. FALSE. You cannot overdose on kratom. If you take too much kratom you will get nauseous. It you really take too much you will throw it up.

3. Kratom is addictive and you will go into withdrawal without it. FALSE. You do not go into withdrawal. I’ve used it on and off for two years and have never had any withdrawal symptoms.
What you WILL notice when you stop taking it is how much it was helping you.

I cannot say enough good things about how this plant has changed my life. Most days I have no pain at all except for my knee which requires surgery. I have energy again. I am able to do chores, go shopping and even some yard work. At night I am able to relax and sleep without pain and without drugs. Someone recently asked me to describe my life with kratom. I said I feel normal again. I am able to participate in my life instead of watching it go by. What an amazing feeling that is.

4:39 pm September 2nd, 2014

For anyone who is suffering anxiety and depression after Kratom use, I have found that the herb Kanna has greatly reduced my anxiety and depression. It’s an herb that works as an anti-depressant, one of the most potent ones I have ever tried and it is the only one that I found I can tolerate. You can find it easily online but make sure to get the fermented kind. Thanks everyone, and good luck

4:53 am September 27th, 2014

I have been taking kratom everyday for a year. On and off for years before that. It made it possible for me to quit heroin/30mg oxy habits.
I’ve used it as a maintenance thing for about the past 9 months. I spend an insane amount of money on it…ive been really depressed and experiencing a lack of motivation in life lately. No creative flow..I’m a musician. I have my own handyman business..and life is amazing in all areas…don’t always have tons of money..but I know if I stop taking kratom..that’s about an extra $1200/1800 PER MONTH…
Now…if I take kratom an dim depressed anyway…just kind of happy depressed…its weird…I just really have no idea how I’m going to stop. I’m a BG punk when it comes to WD. I got one 3 pack of maeng da for the am….I don’t think I have a shot at cutting down..but I’ll at leas try to take two in the am and save 1 for late night or the next am if I can…I’ve quit the hardest drugs in the world..for some reason…I can’t seem to get my head around this one…wish me luck

8:20 am October 14th, 2014

Seriously? I spend about $40 a month for my kratom purchasing high quality powder by the ounce from reputable vendor. That’s way cheaper than my copays were for the pain doctor, pain pills, muscle relaxers and sleeping pills. They only possible way to spend that ridiculous amount of money is to buying that low quality expensive stuff from headshops. Headshops are a rip off and you don’t even know what you are really getting.

6:09 am October 20th, 2014

It is a miracle for opiate withdrawl but it does cause withdrawls! If you have problems with addiction you will have problems with kratom. I too used kratom to kick a 4 year opiate habit and raved about how great it is but now i have to take it every 2-4 hrs 5grams Vietnam or the wd sets in. Its a fabulous alternative to Rx meds just beware if you’ve suffered from addiction in the past kratom will become a replacement faster than you realize. Ive found i have wd worse than most people but please note kratom wd is very real and don’t dismiss it bc youve been fortunate not to experience it, yet. (I know all about big pharma etc. Im telling you this is real and why wouldn’t it be it effects your opiate receptors just the same, doesn’t it?) I found this bc im desperately looking for tips bc im ready to quit and only use if i need for pain. The bashing of people who share their experience is very sad, im happy others don’t suffer but to those who have posted rudely id like to know how it is when you consume more due to tolerance build up.

6:06 pm October 28th, 2014

For me its been life changing, both good and bad. On the plus side, there is the energy boost and slight euphoria. Most important to me, is my low back pain disappears. I’ve tried tramadol, vicodin and even oxy. Nothing works as well for me as kratom. I do not get a fuzzy head, am more interested in my work (I’m a partner in an Illinois law firm) and athletically, Wow! I race mountain bikes, and am sooo much stronger on kratom. I’m 47 and feel like I am 20 on this stuff.

Miracle drug right? Not quite — on the minus side, it is addicting and there are withdrawals. After 6 months I have no doubt I am physiologically addicted. (2x a day, @5-6 grams each time) Without it, even for one morning, I spiral down into a DEEP depression and can hardly function. Really not sure what to do at this point, other than to try and taper. Even tapering sucks but it also sucks that it is starting to control me.

9:50 pm November 3rd, 2014

I’ve used kratom on and off for over three years. I’ve never had a problem with tolerance or withdrawal. I do mix up my strains and take a day off here and there also. I take kratom for herniated discs from two car accidents. I take 1 tsp 2-3x a day and it works better and longer than Vicodin or Percocet ever did. Also, to the poster below who spent some insane amount of money on kratom ($1000+/month), where in the world are you purchasing it from? I’ve never spent more than $40/month from very reputable vendors. To anyone wanting to learn more there are some FB groups with good people in them. Check them out. The University of Mississippi has been doing a study with the results due sometime next year. Do your own research.

1:29 am November 9th, 2014

I am a researcher but currently working to ward becoming a psycholgist. And, I have researched akratom extensively. Oddly enough, I suffered an aneurism a few years back, and after a year on Hydrocodone–1-2 daily–I was concerned about my dopamine receptors and my kidneys. I researched globally about Kratom. I’m aware that in Asia, the opium economy had taken a plunge after opium addicts were discoving Kratom, hence the reason opium lobbyists covertly aided in the illegality of Kratom. As for my personal experience, I started using Maeng Da leaf initially. As I’m nearing menopause, the Kratom effects on my mood –2 caps per dose–have been exponentially positive. I can run 3-4 miles at a relative pace, much like I felt with a double espresso. I began developing heart palpatations in the evenings. This happened shortly after my increase to a double AM espresso AND after a few days of taking highly concentrated Kratom Extract…to which I use when a severe migraines surfaced. I stopped the espresso and took Sambazon Organic energy drimk i stead, and cut the concentrated Kratom out. Cutting both gave me restless legs so bad at first–they’re both from the coffee family– I thought I was having a heart attack. Going back ti strictly Maeng Da, and few miles of running and an good hour of yoga did the trick in 48 hours. Maeng Da leaf, is a great herb…very similar to several Chinese herbs that are utilized instead of dangerous pharmaceuticals, and tragic street drugs. Yes, lobbyists are working on banning this herb. For middle aged women such as myself, it would mean anti-depressants and vicodin, which are exponentially dangerous to our bodys and neurotransmitters. I would like to finish with important information to those of you who have severe challenges with addictions. YOU are not a criminal, YOU did not fail, and nobody is at falt. As of this year alone, neurologists are recognizing that people BORN with low dopamine levels are more conducive to addiction. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE strongly enough a few factors to help you. 1) Avoid sugar at ALL costs. This was the first compensatory addictive drug used as a child. 2) Add Tyrosine DAILY to your breakfast. It is an amino acid and elevates themood BY NOURISHING YOUR DOPAMINE RECEPTORS. 3) Kratom extracts–the ones that make you feel high–should be used for SEVERE pain only. Otherwise you will suffer insomnia and leg twitches and yes, uncomfortable withdrawals.(Plus its expensive). 4) Exercise! Get in a program: Crossfit, Taekwondo, Jiujitsu…these programs have alot of 40+ students who are using fitness for depression as it does increase brain chemical levels. 5) Support those nonprofit entities trying to keep Kratom legal. Nobody has EVER died from Kratom, however we have all lost a friend or loved one to prescriptiond meds. 6) Educated yourself. Research why a Country who was making millions illegally in drug money decides to ban an herb after its citizens stop using the illegal drug. 7) Excessive use of Alcohol and cigarettes are terrible additions if you are taking kratom. Best to cut down substantialy, as they create conflicting signals within our brain. 8) Ground flaxseed, Ginko Biloba and walnuts are great brain foods. Since Science is discovering that addiction starts in the brain, we need to nourish it. 9) Eat garlic daily and avoid pork. Parasites and worms in thebrain are making headway–excuse the pun–this can increase cravings for unhealthy substances. In fact, a parasite cleanse after a year has healed people of severe psychosis, addiction and depression. THE DEVILS IN THE DETAILS FOLKS. Knowledge is key. More google searching and less assuming.

1:35 am November 9th, 2014

John: I too am doing a Kratom cleanse in a few weeks. Make sure you have a diet plan, use Tyrosine and DO NOT substitute coffee. My son is an athlete and takes alot of Onnit Labs supplements… but he stops them cold turkey every 6 weeks. Krato. Should be treated the same way. Look into Onnit Labs BRAIN POWER while you’re off. That supplement is very, very good!

6:50 pm December 4th, 2014

Thank you Katy, I have cut down, but have still not been able to fully cleanse. I am look forward to trying tyrosine and will cut the coffee and modify my diet.

To those who claim kratom is not addicting, like all substances, I really think it depends on the person. I’m a light drinker and not an alcoholic, but still believe alcohol can be addictive.

7:01 pm December 9th, 2014

I’ve just started talking Kratom I have no side effects as compared to being on Percocet 5mg for over a year an a half for 2 knee surgeries and facing a replacement.It all depends on how much you use and what your tolerance is to it every one is different and everyones body reacts differently so use it @ your own discretion and safety wish you all good health.

6:51 pm December 15th, 2014

This post has brought out a lot of different folks. Not much discussion going on here, just praising or demonizing. All over the web I see ex-hard drug users praising kratom for helping them get off finally after years. And they say its the most gentle of all drugs. Not a very good argument even though I agree. Everyone hates on big pharma, and yes they do suck. But how many millions of people are helped by prescribed pain meds vs people who become addicted and abuse them? Nothing is perfect and it is really about the risk vs reward. The comparison of Kratom withdrawl to the common cold I feel is a little understanted as it is more akin to having the flu if one goes cold turkey. It REALLY is similar to caffeine withdrawal. There was a time when I would have 1000-1400 mg caffeine DAILY. I would wake up daily in a fog and wouldn’t be able to function without an energy drink or coffee. I’d usually be drinking a can while I took my morning shower. Constantly throughout the day I would HAVE to have my caffine or I would become sluggish, depressed, brain fogged and tired. If i stopped cold turkey I would wake up tired of course and then a migraine would come on and within a few hours I would be vomiting my head off. This would last the whole day and several more days of complete lethargy and headaches and depression! I found out a better way than cold turkey… tapering! Drop it down by 100 mg each day and the only withdrawal symptom was less energy and little tired. After completely off tapering it would be around 2 weeks before I felt back to normal with normal energy levels. One time in college I took around 2500 mg via caffeine pills to work on a paper late night. I had no idea about caffeine at the time. I ended up getting SUPER dizzy and then felt like I was going out of my mind. crawled to the toilet and spent the next 12 hours in a cycle of feeling so crazy with world spinning and hellish flu with vomiting every 15 minutes and sleeping for 5 minutes only to wake up and start the crazyness again. I should went to the hospital it was that bad. Imagine all that? from caffeine? I’ve since learned responsibility with it and have 200-400 mg a day and none after 2pm. This keeps my tolerance pretty low getting the best out of it and no withdrawals.
Some are thining wow this sounds retarded. yes. it was because it was *just caffeine* right? I mention this because I find kratom withdrawal to be so much nicer than that of even caffeine! And if you *taper* you will miss out on 95% of withdrawal symptoms. seriously. I had a habit of 30g a day maeng da. if i quit cold turkey then yes i’d feel kind of flu’ish for a few days but wasn’t near as bad as caffeine wd. and tapering down 1g every other day made it a picnic! i’m another person that kratom helped save from several years of abusing other drugs that landed me in the hospital for a week one time from overdose seizures and ruined my first marriage. Kratom is a godsend. And I say that being 1 month clean from it after an easy taper (stem and vein makes it even easier to taper!). I buy in bulk online at 1kg at a time for around $180. That is cheaper than going to starbucks everyday! The real point i want to make is that its all about the risk reward with anything in life. If you could use kratom 6 months straight and suffer 2 weeks of withdrawal is it worth it? I’m talking 6 months of great energy, great mood, motivation, relaxation, etc for the price of 1-2 week cold turkey withdrawal flu? heck yes. or even better 6 months on, 4 week taper with no wd! or just do 3 weeks on 1 week off and never have real withdrawal etc etc etc.
I believe most if not all of the bad comments on the web about withdrawal are made by people going through withdrawal. we all know that the flu isn’t that horrible to have, but when you are currently sick with the flu you feel like dying and its the worst thing ever right?? and what if its only 1 out of 1000 people who even have bad withdrawal from kratom? And half of those people go online to tell about it. While the other 999 get great benefit but don’t feel like going online to say *its great! 5 stars* ? Just like when reading product reviews on amazon, most people buy it and it works fine and they don’t have time to sit around and review every product they buy. but if there is a problem with the product everyone is so quick to put a 1 star review out there. So what if 100,000 use kratom and 1000 have bad experiences and post 3 posts on different websites? Thats 3000 negative postings all over the place making it look like EVERYONE is having a bad time. Furthermore, being a past addict myself, I believe anything can be used for harm and that it all has to do with the reasons behind using a drug. If someone is drinking a beer or 2 to relax thats all well and good. if someone is depressed and drinking to escape that person can down 10 beers in one sitting repeatedly and cause great harm. that same person could smoke 20 bowls of weed and be locked on the couch ruining their life. that same person could start downing 50g kratom a day and be a zombie. this person would abuse anything so to use them as a reason to ban a substance is a poor argument.
i’m not a conspiracy theorist, but if big pharma can spend $1 million on tv ads for one drug, then they could spend $1 million on employee’s paying them $50 an hour to agree to keep it secret and scour the web writing positive reviews of drugs they are selling and negative reviews for their competitors, thats 20,000 hours right there…easily 100,000 post’s all over the web. you see stuff like that when reading through amazon reviews even. where its obvious the competitor is leaving negative reviews for the competition. make sense? I’ve CERTAINLY seen the kratom industry (websites, wholesalers, direct, b&m, etc) posting info about kratom with a lot of exaggeration about how great it is all over the web. one great example is the blog by goodlookingloser. he posts over and over about how wonderful it is and how it has almost no negatives and even says the key to tolerance is rotating 7-10 straings a new one each day. and he praises this one distributor, happy hippo, as having the best kratom anywhere bar none. and he says he uses every day for years but has no addiction and no tolerance to it. LIES. you then learn in a blog post years later that he has been using for 5 years and that he uses 30grams a day yet says hes not addicted at all! and the real kicker, that he OWNS happy hippo. Imagine that! A kratom business exaggerating the benefits and undervaluing the risks in order to sell more kratom.
personally, I have had headshop kratom that was certainly laced with something else. this could be the reason for many of the negative reviews out there. personally kratom saved me from other drug addiction. it helps me be a better person to my wife and motivates me to make more money and do good things. I like it better than caffeine and alcohol and use it in lieu of those things. I would love to see more truthful information out there. maybe even in the form of regulation, but that would mean MUCH higher costs and probably bad things for its availability. I eat healthy, but i feel more craving to eat taco bell than i do to take kratom. If i was super depressed in a black hole at home with obsessive thoughts of escape, I too would be craving kratom since its legal and right around the corner everywhere.
random fact: cough syrup (robotussin) contains the opiod dxm. taken in large doses produce great euphoria and very trippy visuals with peaceful disassociating. this is over the counter everywhere and people are against kratom (opiod)? theres studys showing the cough syrup has ZERO effect on stopping coughs, yet its still on every shelf everywhere. the diarrhea medicine immodium also is an opioid.

8:09 am February 17th, 2015

Government is not shy in the least about clamping down on non traditional drugs. They’ve know about Kratom for a long time yet it remains virtually un-regulated here in 2015. It can’t be causing too many problems. But with so many “instant experts” on-line, you would think bodies were lining the sreets, and people were mugging in the millions to get their 60 cent grams. There is a movie coming out soon, “Leafer Madness!” Lots of these are probably 12-step religionists who see everthing as a addiction or an “aholicism”.

Financial issues forced me to have to taper down on Suboxone, which kept me both craving free, while 100% functional for over 4 years. But hey, “It’s an opiate, and you’re addicted”. So what? However the costs due to regulation and greed cost my insurance more than my heroin habit in the 70s cost me!

In conclusion, I kept hearing the horror stories about Sub withdrawals. I avoided almost all the symptoms with 3 things: A long taper, Clonidine and Kratom.

10:58 pm March 8th, 2015

Someone please tell me when insomnia goes away? I can deal with the rest, but I have too many responsibilities for this. Would taking a gram or so for nighttime only prolong my misery? Or will that make it easier to jump off? Any personal experience would be excellent, please get back to me if poss.

not a pharma co.
12:32 am March 10th, 2015

kate, yes even a gram or two should get you to sleep. I do not think it completely sets you back to square one but it does set you back. You’re better off tapering and only taking a bit before going to bed. I am withdrawing for the 2nd full time i had about 20 minutes of sleep last night. I’ve been awake for about 36 hours now. the first 24 hours aren’t so bad. 24-48 are probably the worst 48-72 are better after that its not so bad. I am at about 50 hours now. I hope i can sleep tonight. Today was a long day at work. Nodded off driving to and from work several times. It’s best to do this on a weekend. Take it on a thursday you’ll be eh ok friday and sat sun will suck but by monday not so bad. I unfortunately took it saturday so i could get things done.
I did not taper this time. I think loperamide helps. These w/d suck major ass.
If you have an addictive personality you should stay away unless you are going to do something worse. It’d be great if i didn’t find the need to use it 2-3x every day for months to years. Unfortunately i don’t have the will.

3:00 am March 10th, 2015

Kate, whether the insomnia is temporary or a problem that plagues you intermittently, kratom may help you sleep. It’s worth a try. Buy the powdered variety and mix a teaspoon in boiling water and sip it before bedtime. You can strain it but I find it sinks to the bottom and is quite tolerable to drink that way.

6:25 pm March 10th, 2015

Ash, & not a pharma co – thank you both for replying :) I did use just ONE gram on nights 1 and 2 (nothing apart from that) – and last night – (night 3) I was able to sleep unaided! Don’t feel super today, but considering I’ve totally jumped off it and slept, I’m really happy, and it’s nowhere near as bad as I thought.

Hope you two are both doing well :)

Thanks again & good luck to yous!

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